Reminds me of the Douglas Walsh court case in '54 when the WTS was forced to admit they prophecied falsely but that all JW's were forced to accept it as truth
Another LIE Stated in the Watchtower....with proof!
Deputy Dog wrote: "However, Jehovah did not let the people of Christendom, as led by the clergy, go without being warned that the League was a counterfeit substitute for the real kingdom of God. He had a "prophet" to warn them. This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses. They are still proclaiming a warning, and have been joined and assisted in their commissioned work by hundreds of thousands of persons who have listened to their message with belief."
Question related to this WT quote by DD.
Is the rank and File JW not a christian? to enable them to be called "Jehovah's Christain Witnesses", by they are rather plain garden variety "Jehovah's Witnesses"?
Probably read it a thousand times, never seen it!!
Notice how they admit they have been wrong, but their "good intentions" absolve them for being a False Prophet. They skate around the fact they indeed prophecied falsely, but use an entirely different argument to try and counter it.
Quote:14 Finally, we might consider what the Society has published in the past on chronology. Some opposers claim that Jehovah’s Witnesses are false prophets. These opponents say that dates have been set, but nothing has happened. Again we ask, What is the motive of these critics? Are they encouraging wakefulness on the part of God’s people, or are they, rather, trying to justify themselves for falling back into sleepy inactivity? (1 Thessalonians 5:4-9) More importantly, what will you do if you hear such criticism? If a person is questioning whether we are living in “the last days” of this system, or perhaps is entertaining ideas that God is so merciful that he surely will not cause the death of so many millions of people during the “great tribulation,” then this individual already has prepared his heart to listen to such criticisms.—2 Timothy 3:1; Matthew 24:21.16 "Only in the spiritual paradise, among Jehovah’s Witnesses, can we find the self-sacrificing love Jesus said would identify his true disciples. (John 13:34, 35) By their bad fruits, false prophets are exposed for what they really are. But Jesus indicated that the good trees would be identified by their fine fruits. (Matthew 7:15-20) And what fine fruitage we have in the spiritual paradise! Amazing increases are taking place in practically every country. Over 3,000,000 happy subjects of God’s Kingdom around the globe are living proof that Jehovah has a people on the earth. ( Oh really?)
15 Yes, Jehovah’s people have had to revise expectations from time to time. Because of our eagerness, we have hoped for the new system earlier than Jehovah’s timetable has called for it. But we display our faith in God’s Word and its sure promises by declaring its message to others. Moreover, the need to revise our understanding somewhat does not make us false prophets "
Here's some more skating the issue and trying to find the good things they feel they do that will supposedly overide their False Prophecies.
17 Because they are taught by God, Jehovah’s Witnesses really produce the fruits of Christianity in their lives. (Isaiah 54:13) Only Jehovah’s people have completely broken free from Babylonish superstitions. Only they have an organization that completely abides by what God’s Word has to say on sexual immorality, abortions, drunkenness, stealing, idolatry, racial prejudice, and other worldly pursuits and practices. And they alone are the ones obeying the command to preach the good news of Jehovah’s Kingdom. (Matthew 24:14) God’s own Word unquestionably points to Jehovah’s Witnesses as the one organized people that have his blessing"! So because they preach the good news and are the only ones who abide by jehovah's laws, their not False Prophets. Gumby
The great antitypical Jubilee, the Times of Restitution of all things, had its beginning in the year 1874, when the presence of the great Restorer was also due.
B363, Studies in the Scriptures, The Time Is At Hand
We have seen the fulfilment of the predicted tarrying; and for fifteen years the midnight cry, "Behold the Bridegroom!" has gone forth. We have marked with special delight the 1,335 days, pointing, as they do, to 1874 as the exact date of our Lord's return; and we have since that time experienced the very blessedness promised--through the clearer unfoldings of the wonderful mysteries of the divine plan.
C306, Studies in the Scriptures, Thy Kingdom Come
Since we find that going in includes the change to spiritual bodies, it is significant that the days of Daniel and the presence of the bridegroom occur at the same time, viz: autumn of 1874, and if Daniel stood in his lot at that time, he was raised a spiritual body, and as he represents the order of prophets and their resurrection is shown by the laying of the foundation-stones of the temple, then it would seem that the temple began to be built at that time.
ZWT 1881 R181
And yet the lie here:
*** w93 1/15 p. 5 ‘Caught Away to Meet the Lord’—How? ***
The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914.
great quotes - I have scanned pgs but can't post.
One thing I'm finding too is that in the bible Jesus says he does not say anything on his own - everything he says is what his father is saying - he only does & says what his father is doing - etc.
So wouldn't everything that the WT says that Jesus says be the same as saying jehovah said it?
Unless what jesus says in the bible doesnt mean that LOL
take for instance October 1, 1972 WT:
....suffering and oppression will end. Why can we be so sure of this?
First of all, Bible chronology shows that since the autumn of 1914CE we have been living in the "last days" of this system of things. Jesus indicated that these "last days" would not extend beyond the life-span of the generation seeing their start. (Matt.24:34) Hence, at least some people who witnessed the horrors of WW I will see the complete ed of government by imperfect men and bringing in of prosperity under the kingdom of God.
so the bible & jesus say....
The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914
Yeah Blonie, They figure the majority of witnesses will never review their history since they discourage witnesses from reading old light since it no longer applies and feel ones should move along with Jehovah's "fast moving chariot" That fact is...they HAVE NOT consistantly taught 1914 was Christs "presence", but rather for many years proclaimed it as the year Armageddon would arrive and destroy Satans entire system.
The Watchtower , July 15, 1894
We see no reason for changing the figures — nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God’s dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.
Anymore lies? I'm hungry for some
I've uploaded a file
how do I get it to show up?
I'm on a MAC
Good one gumby,
I've added your post to my 'Watchtower Lie' collection. Excuse the following cut & post reply but I enjoyed hearing my echo in the archive lol
As a part of Theocratic War Stategy™ the Society™ presents itself to JWs in such a Godly light that most JWs think it a sacrilege to question any of its pronouncements. Most JWs have never even seen the older books of the sect nor had access to them since copies have been removed from the libraries in Kingdom Halls™.
The WBTS has used theocratic war strategy™ to created an atmosphere conducive to the corruption and maintenance of mind control. JWs are a captive audience which hears only one viewpoint. Opposers are frequently labelled "apostate"™ and "Satan like"™. Our posts here are compared to "pornography" and JWs are ordered to shun them completely. Evil is an oft overused term but if it rests anywhere it is at the very core of the Watchtower Bible and Trap Society™.
Theocratic Warfare - lies were always part of the plan:
Hey Unclebastard.....you still awake? Yer purdy dang smart when ya wannabe....ain't cha?
Most JWs have never even seen the older books of the sect nor had access to them since copies have been removed from the libraries in Kingdom Halls™.
Ya know what Unc? I'll bet at least a third of dubs....maybe even half......haven't even read the "truth book" ...let alone publications as old as those we've quoted here. Most dubs today (I have heard), have only been in 'the truth' for 10 years or less.
These ones BARELY ...if at all, ever study the publications they now have. If the publication isn't part of a meeting part( such as the book study), most don't read them in their entirety ( except for the studious ones who are far and few between)
Gumnutsackshinner the third
Too right bro gumbo,
From about 14 years of age I used to get so bored reading watchtower books I couldn't read one cover to cover and I know a number lwho, like my mother-in-law, openly brag of never having ever read a book cover to cover in their lives (some kind of weird working class pride).
ingnorance deserves what ignorance gets I guess
At your service:
Royal Australian Nutsack Polishers Guild.
ps: I've made several trips back to the archives recently and been pleasantly surprised that I often don't/didn't sound as moronic as I usually think. Often I leave here cringing at what I've said and can't bear the thought of returning If it wasn't for apostate loving kindness ...lol