Apostate in the "Daniel" book? (research help)

by slimboyfat 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • slimboyfat

    In the section for tonight's study there is the famous picture of the Watchtower officials sent to jail. Among them is G H Fisher. Isn't he the one who turned apostate in the late 20s or 30s and was very bitter against Rutherford - or am I mixing him up with someone else? If he is that one, the book doesn't mention that this "prominent servant of Jehovah" later went walkies.

    Notice in the picture how Rutherford gets the nicest chair to sit on in the centre of the picture. In the picture on page 301 they are ordered according to height, so Woodworth comes before Rutherford - bet that irked Rutherford.

    Can anyone add information about any of the Watchtower figures I can use in comments tonight? Here is what I think I remember of them off the top of my head:

    MacMillan - Russell left him in charge, but he stood aside to support Rutherford who was younger in years. Later wrote "Faith on the March" for which Knorr wrote an introduction.

    Amburgh - Helped compile "The Finished Mystery" after Russell's death. Was vice president (?).

    Fisher - Was very taken with the pyramid doctrine and split with Rutherford over this and personal issues.

    Martin - I don't know anything about him.

    DeCecca - Was famous for the saying "It ain't what you done done, it's what you're gonna do that counts" - emphasizing the Witnesses' view that continued good works are necessary for salvation.

    Robinson - I don't know anything about him.

    Woodworth - Crackpot editor of the Golden Age magazine. Responsible for many obscure doctrines most of which have since lapsed.

    Anything else I should include in my comments for tonight's meeting?


  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    what you said about macmillan was true I have no info on the rest. To add to whast you said about macmillan, I always wondered how the organisation would have turned out, had he taken the role that russel ment for him to take.

  • nicolaou

    You'll find it was Woodworth and Fisher who put 'The Finished Mystery' together, not Van Amburg.

  • Dr Jekyll
    Dr Jekyll

    Wooo sounds like you have been doing "INTERNET BASED RESEARCH"

    If you start sounding to clever the elders might start asking you questions about your internet use, so be careful.

  • blondie

    RR, a Bible Student and ex-jw, who posts here said this (there are other comments of interest on this thread too:


    Most of the old-timers, who worked closely with Russell eventually left the Watch Tower, some right away, others a few years later not sure of themselves, but as the chnages developed, they all left.

    Those who were sentenced to prison (noticed NONE of these were the original directors as appointed by Russell) were:

    1. W. E. Van Amburgh - Became a JW. But evidence by his Bible Student family shows he was remorseful for what he did, but never left and fell out of grace with the Judge. Like many, he went alongh with the program for food and shelter.
    2. J. F. Rutherford - Well, we know about him.
    3. A. H. Macmillan - the Brown nosers brown nosers, stayed and lived a good life, until Knorr too over, then he became just another bethelite.
    4. R. J. Martin - Left and stayed with the Bible Students
    5. F. H. Robison - Left the Society and joined the Concordant Publishing Concern, a Universalist group that still exist today.
    6. C. J. Woodworth - Became a JW, but lost his mind eventually. Towards the end of his life, he began to believe he had new light. The new light was actually old light, he was teachiong Br. Russell, this according to some old timers who went to visit him at Bethel in the 1950s.
    7. G. H. Fisher - He left and was about to sue Rutherford and the Society, claimed he had proof of the illegal takeover, unfortunately, he died in 1925 and nothing ever became of the lawsuit.
    8. G. DeCecca - Became a JW and stayed till his death.
    9. R.H. Hirsh - A warrant was issud for him, but he had already resigned under pressure, so the Government did not puruse it. He left and wandered around to different Bible Student groups. Finally serving as an elder in the class I serve in, in Jersey City. His wife Sr. Rose lived to be 106, and her expereinces were documented on audio files. (Don't ask, their not for sale)

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