Here is an interesting site I came across accidentally (http://www.peacefulsocieties.org/NAR/051110amis.html). I have always wondered if any DFd ex-JWs have ever pursued the human rights angle. The UN Human Rights Commission also has rules against anything that causes loss of reputation.
shunning & human rights violations
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carla
I wish we had a resident lawyer who could just comment on some of this stuff without giving actual 'legal advice'. I mean where they wouldn't worry about malpractice or anything. Just general comments.
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greendawn
Another group that has a shunning policy similar to that of the JWs so they are not the only shunners. Political powers have been very soft with Babylon the great on many issues including this one.
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rebel8
A decision in this case is expected soon. I set up a news alert so I will be notified if there is a news story about it in the future.
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peacefulpete
Another group that has a shunning policy similar to that of the JWs so they are not the only shunners. Political powers have been very soft with Babylon the great on many issues including this one.
Greendawn, Babylon in Revelation was Rome not some imagined worldwide religious conspiracy of the devil.
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hubert
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Hubert
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rebel8
http://www.silive.com/newsflash/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-17/1145660369170760.xml&storylist=simetro
Commission rules for ex-Amish woman in discrimination case
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky's Commission on Human Rights ruled Friday in favor of an ex-Amish woman who claimed she was discriminated against by an Amish thrift store owner who refused to serve her.4/21/2006, 6:38 p.m. ET By BRUCE SCHREINER The Associated Press Erma Troyer, the store owner in an Amish enclave at Cub Run in southcentral Kentucky, was ordered to serve Ruth Irene Garrett or others who left the Amish way of life and are shunned by those in the faith.
"It feels like a vindication because I just don't see how it's right or how it's fair that they can do this," Garrett said by telephone.
Meeting in Versailles, the commission also ordered Troyer to pay $100 to Garrett for embarrassment caused by the confrontation. Garrett, an author who lives near Glasgow, said she would donate the money to the Salvation Army. Troyer declined comment Friday and referred questions to her attorney. Phone messages left with Troyer's attorney were not immediately returned. Troyer can appeal the commission's order to circuit court.
Troyer used a religious freedom defense, claiming that her church doctrine prevented her from taking money from those shunned by the Amish.
Garrett, an author who has written about Amish life, contended that the refusal to serve her was a violation of Kentucky's Civil Rights Act for denial of service in a public place for religious reasons.
"It was never about the money," Garrett said Friday. "To me, I've won what I wanted to win. Now it's actually proved that she has to serve everyone, no matter what kind of religion you are."
The case stemmed from an Oct. 15, 2003, confrontation at Troyer's Rocky Top Salvage store. Garrett attempted to purchase some groceries, but Troyer refused to ring up the items.
She recognized Garrett from one of the books Garrett wrote about the Amish life she left. Garrett claimed that Troyer embarrassed her in front of other customers and took her complaint to the Human Rights Commission.
Troyer had said she felt she did nothing wrong. She said that based on her church doctrine, she risked being thrown out of the Amish faith and damned to an eternity in hell if she took money from the shunned. Troyer had said previously that she even offered to give Garrett the groceries for free.
Garrett said Friday that she expected to shop at Troyer's store.
Although she left the Amish faith, she still cooks Amish-style and likes to shop at Amish stores to buy ingredients she can't find elsewhere.
Emily Riggs Hartlage, a Human Rights Commission staff attorney, said the order could have a ripple effect for any others who were excommunicated from the Amish faith and are denied service at Amish shops.
"I hope it empowers other shunned Amish people to assert their rights," she said in an interview.
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The issue here is a violation of CR because the woman (Troyer) refused to service the other woman (Garrett). The issues at hand would be similar to JWs if JWs refused to render service to others ex-JWs. I have never heard of a JW refusing to take $$$$ from an ex-JW. JWs are all about the money regardless of whose money it is. As for JW family members refusing to speak and deal with ex-JW family members, those rights do not fall under Civil Rights.
You would have to be able to get access to the pleadings filed with the HRC in order to determine what causes of action were claimed and what the defense was. Ultimately the decision rendered by the HRC would tell you their position and what either case law or state statutes they based their decision on.
The one thing I did find interesting was that Troyer was willing to let Garrett take whatever she wanted and not pay because of the shunning order. So there was a loop hole for Troyer to get thru in order to avoid any action by her community. However, the consequences of Troyer's actions should she have done business and taken money from Garrett were pretty serious and I would liken it to the same as the consequences of some JWs who had talked to ex-JWs and have been counseled for not following orders with the very real threat of being Df'd themselves. That is the part that was the most interesting.
"Troyer used a religious freedom defense, claiming that her church doctrine prevented her from taking money from those shunned by the Amish.
Garrett, an author who has written about Amish life, contended that the refusal to serve her was a violation of Kentucky's Civil Rights Act for denial of service in a public place for religious reasons"
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DannyHaszard
Let's watch this development closely
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