Jesus death

by lime05 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Kristofer:

    In response to the many posts: I don't know why you would consider God crazy for creating man knowing he would sin. The greatest thing in the world is LOVE. That is why he created us. That's like saying, if you knew your children were going to rebel against you, would you not have them? That's ridiculous. You have children to love and to be loved. This is the reason God created the world and man, because it was good and so that he could love and be loved in return. Of course he knew we would rebel. But it was only another opportunity to express his love for us. By sending down Christ, the Son of God, God incarnate to be humiliated, betrayed and suffer so that we would be seen as perfect as long as we accepted that sacrifice. Now we are allowed as imperfect humans to have a relationship with the perfect and Almighty God. It is all about LOVE.

    First, welcome to the forum. Your post is beautifully worded and shows the glow of innate wisdom. However, if we take your Biblical explanation of things to it's conclusion, in the end most of your gods children will be killed, or eternally punished by his hand. This, is clearly not love, but rather it's antithesis. As humans, we lock people away in prisons for the criminally insane for such acts; and rightly so. Is the true Source of the universe "criminally insane", or is it far more likely the minds drastically limited interpretations and ideas of God that are at fault? Perhaps if we stop feeding ourselves with extremely diminutive ideas of a god, as presented in much of the Bible, and instead shift our attention into the innate and warm sense of love within our own being, we may discover what has no limits, no beginning or end; and we may just awaken to Love truly unconditional and pristine. j

  • gumby
    gumby

    JamesT,

    However, if we take your Biblical explanation of things to it's conclusion, in the end most of your gods children will be killed, or eternally punished by his hand. This, is clearly not love, but rather it's antithesis. As humans, we lock people away in prisons for the criminally insane for such acts; and rightly so.

    Good observation my friend. "Narrow is the road leading to life and FEW are the ones finding it".

    Gumby

  • hooberus
    hooberus
    However, if we take your Biblical explanation of things to it's conclusion, in the end most of your gods children will be killed, or eternally punished by his hand. This, is clearly not love, but rather it's antithesis. As humans, we lock people away in prisons for the criminally insane for such acts; and rightly so.



    Actually the Bible teaches that we are by nature "the children of wrath", not God's children.

    Ephesians 2

    "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

    (See also Colossians 1:21). However despite this the good news is that:

    Ephesians 2 (continued)

    "But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

    "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Romans 5:8-10

    "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:26

    "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13

  • gumby
    gumby

    It doesn't matter how you explain in hoob........the fact is.......god is STILL going to kill 9 out of 10 people on the planet for something our own justice system wouldn't put a person to death for.

    Gumby

  • hooberus
    hooberus
    It doesn't matter how you explain in hoob........the fact is.......god is STILL going to kill 9 out of 10 people on the planet for something our own justice system wouldn't put a person to death for.

    Gumby

    Why should "our own" justice system be the final authority in judgement?

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas
    Actually the Bible teaches that we are by nature "the children of wrath", not God's children.

    Considering that the Bible god is said to be our creator, I would agree that by this criteria, by nature we are children of wrath:

    wrath

    n 1: intense anger (usually on an epic scale) 2: belligerence aroused by a real or supposed wrong (personified as one of the deadly sins)

    Thank you for responding to my post hooberus, but I can't help but notice how your beliefs divide people, rather than unit them. Over there you have your godless heathens, and over here the righteous "children" of Christ. You know Hoob, it was this same narrow and divisive idea of divinity that made it so easy for the white Christians to slaughter, by the millions, the indigenous tribes. I mean after all, they were merely soulless savages, animals, children of wrath.

    When we belittle and reduce divinity down to a tiny point or deity in the universe, that leaves a whole lot of places and spaces for judgments, hatred and mans inhumanity to man and nature. But as long as we keep our heads way up our "holy books", we'll likely never notice.

    j

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