Religions like Jehovah's Witnesses over the last 1900 years

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  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    The Watchtower Society has made the claim that since Jesus time there have always been people that believe what the Watchtower teaches, at least in regards to the major doctrine. They also claim there has always been a F&D slave. From time to time the Watchtower has mentioned religious groups that were possibly part of the Slave. I have done research into the groups mentioned in the Watchtower to show whether this claim can be verified.

    Historically there are very few groups similar to the JWs and the ones the Watchtower mentions were around for only a fraction of the last 1900 years. Looking at the teachings of each of these groups shows that there has never been any Christians similar to the Witnesses or that it can be claimed made up the F&D slave. Anyone aware of the history of the beginning of the Watchtower Society would also know that prior to 1930 the Bible Students bore little resemblance to the Witnesses teachings today.

    Watchtower 1981 March 1 p.24 “Beginning with Pentecost, 33 C.E., and continuing through the 19 centuries since then, this slavelike congregation has been feeding its members spiritually, doing so faithfully and discreetly.”

    pe chap. 23 p. 192 God’s Visible Organization 4 The Bible shows that Jehovah has always guided his servants in an organized way…”

    For a group to be classified as part of the Slave class it is not necessary for them to have understood and taught every current Witness doctrine, such as the Great Crowd and end time prophecies. However there are several key teachings that they must have held to. These groups must not believe in the Trinity or immortality of the soul. They must show love and preach. Certainly they could not advocate immorality, spiritism, Egyptology or idolatry of the cross. Currently a Witness would say that for the last 2000 years this ongoing group of Jehovah’s people was;

    Anti-Trinitarian

    Using God’s name Jehovah or it’s equivalent translation

    Not believing in hellfire or immortality of the soul

    Not participating in war

    Preaching

    Until 1500 A.D. few people had access to the bible, apart from the Catholic clergy, so it seems few groups developed a belief system even vaguely similar to what the Slave says is essential to be considered righteous in Gods eyes.

    During the 150 year period from Henry VIII to Charles I (1500 and 1600’s) anti-Trinitarianism was pursued consistently and vigorously by ‘heretics’. Many of these ‘heretics’ such as the Unitarian Bishop of Transylvania (Hungary) had such radical views in other areas they can not be considered acceptable to a Jehovah’s Witness.

    The closest known groups that have been mentioned in the Watchtower to be like Witnesses are the Waldenses, Cathari, Albigenses and Huguenots. These were all basically Protestants and adhered to many Protestant teachings considered wrong by the Watchtower Society. The Minor Brethern (Socianians) was the group most similar to Jehovah’s Witnesses today. A brief look shows none of these would be acceptable to be called a Jehovah’s Witness.

    Albigenses or Cathari

    Regularly these groups are made to sound like Jehovah’s Witnesses but the Watchtower is forced to admit they also held to key teachings that contradicted the bible.

    Mankind’s Search for God chap. 11 pp. 281-282 “36 Yet another movement got started in the 12th century in the south of

    Watchtower 1995 September 1 p.29 The Cathari—Were They Christian Martyrs? “Although the Cathari quoted the Bible extensively, they viewed it primarily as a source of allegories and fables….Many Cathar teachings were in direct contradiction to the Bible. For instance, they believed in the immortality of the soul and in reincarnation.”

    Waldenses

    Watchtower 2002 March 15 pp.20-21 The Waldenses—From Heresy to Protestantism. “Most historians agree that the movement had its start about the year 1170. … Poverty, preaching, and the Bible were at the heart of Vaudès’ life….Among other things, the early Waldenses rejected lying, purgatory, Masses for the dead, papal pardons and indulgences, and the worship of Mary and the “saints.” They also held annual observances of the Lord’s Evening Meal, or Last Supper. According to Lambert, their form of worship “was, in effect, the religion of the ordinary layman….Over the centuries, Waldensian churches have been established in countries as far away from as and the . However, most historians agree with Audisio, who says that “Waldensianism came to an end at the time of the Reformation,” when it was “swallowed up” by Protestantism.”

    The Catholic Encyclopeadia says the Waldenses were so similar to Cathari that they are assumed to be an offshoot of them. They were Protestants and held to many unscriptural and strange teachings, such as encouraging members to dissolve their marriages in order to live nomadic lives of poverty. They also continued to take sacrament in the Catholic Church.

    Huguenots

    Another group that the Watchtower has mentioned is Huguenots, but these were just another group of Protestants.

    Awake 1997 April 22 p.5 Wars of Religion in “Tired of waiting for changes, many members of the movement for reform within the Catholic Church sided with Protestantism. About 1560, numerous French aristocrats and their supporters joined the Huguenots, as Protestants had come to be called.”

    Anabaptists, Socinians & the Brethren Minor Party

    The Anabaptists, Socinians and Brethern of the Minor Party were all closely related and lasted for around 100 years during the late 1500’s. This group seems to be the closest to current Watchtower teaching. The following Watchtower article from 2003 gives the distinct impression that they were just like Witnesses and shows a number of similarities. However in 1988 it had been shown that these too “were guilty of many errors”.

    Watchtower 2003 December 15 p.12 They Searched for the What the Brethren of the Minor Party Believed

    “The following quotes from the 15th- and 16th-century Acta Unitatis Fratrum show some of the beliefs held by the Minor Party. The statements, written by leaders of the Minor Party, are primarily directed to the Major Party………Trinity: “If you glance throughout the entire Bible, you will not find that God is divided into a kind of Trinity, three persons by names, as people fabricated in their fancies.”…….Holy spirit: “The holy spirit is God’s finger and a gift of God, or a comforter, or God’s Power, which the Father gives to believers on the basis of Christ’s merits. We do not find in the Holy Scriptures that the holy spirit should be called a God or a Person; nor do the apostolic teachings show that.”……..Baptism: “The Lord Christ told his apostles: Go into all the world, preach the Gospel to all creation, to those who would believe. (Mark, chapter 16) And only after these words: and being baptized, they will be saved. And you teach to baptize little children who lack their own faith.”……..Neutrality: “What your early brothers viewed as bad and unclean, to join the army and murder or to walk the very roads clothed with weapons, all that you consider to be good . . . So we feel that you, along with other teachers, look only with your left eye at the prophetic words that point out: Thus he broke the power of the bow, the shields and the sword and the battle. (Psalm 75) And again: They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for the Lord’s earth shall be full of the divine knowledge, and so forth. (Isaiah, chapter 11).” …….Preaching: “We well know that, initially, females have brought more people to repentance than all the priests along with a bishop. And now the priests settled at their places and their apportioned rectories. What a mistake! Go into the entire world. Preach . . . to all creation.”

    Awake 1988 November 22 pp.19-20 The Socinians—Why Did They Reject the Trinity? “Like the religions around them, they were guilty of many errors. Still, of all the religions of the Reformation, this rivulet of Socinianism adhered to the Bible more than most. …. The Minor Reformed Church (as Socinians were officially called) flourished in for nearly a hundred years. At their peak they numbered up to 300 congregations.

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    Thanks for that research jwfacts

    I recall when they started really harping on how there had been JW's all down through history for 2000 years too. They would briefly mention these religious groups they grew from these so called true Christians. Then the organization eventually proceed to cut them down as not fully in the truth as they saw it. I did some research too and often wondered how in the heck they could even embrace these very small groups as the religions leading up to the JW when little they believed was even simular. None of them evolved into the JW's. Today they even reject CT Russell as the founder of their religion, and heavens forbid someone mention Miller and others that Russell got his biblical reasoning on. I always thought that was a stretch even as a JW but today I still hear active witnesses claim they are the truth Christian religion started by Jesus himself.

    This research is fascinating to me and I've totally engrossed myself in it since leaving. I am totally amazed how easily I allowed myself to be led by the nose without ever really researching them before I poured myself whole souled into that silly religion . I read your post eagerly, loved it. It would be such a totally simple thing to shoot holes in the active JW's about this today. I wonder if they are mentioning it as much as they used too.

    Balsam

  • ICBehindtheCurtain
    ICBehindtheCurtain

    Jwfacts great post, very informative. When I heard that in the KH that supposedly there have been Jehovah's Witnesses since the beginning, and that the faithful slave has existed since christ died, I asked myself "how do they know this?" What? someone has communication with the dead and was told who was a faithful slave in lets say 1,300 AD? That caused a little stir in my brainwhashed mind, but as usual I put it in the back of my mind, and since I completely believed in all this CRAP, I trusted the F&DS knew what they were talking about.

    Man, o man, what utter BS, the craziest thing is how many great minds have bought this baloney and still do. I was having a conversation with a JW family member and he was talking about how there have been recent experiences in the magazines about some brothers who were very intelligent scientists, mathematicians or something, anyway he was telling me that if they studied with the JW's and decided to join, then that was enough for him, that in itself says that this religion is true, because these highly intelligent men were now JW's. I told him that all they knew was what they were being taught from the brother who they studied with, these people didn't research the beginnings of the religion, nor were they told about the inside info on DFing and the not questioning the beliefs etc., if they had, I assure you they would have not joined, and now that they are in, how long do you think they will stay? It remains to be seen, when they do see the light, I hope they post here!

    IC

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I am bookmarking this thread. I've always meant to do a timeline to try and reconcile the JW's supposed heritage. You sum up the issue very well.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Thank you for your comments.
    Balsam, I read your profile and the links and am very sad to hear of the unimaginable suffering you have gone through. I was so convinced of the blood issue and used to defend it vigourously, yet never bothered to look beneath the WTS superficial explaination of Acts 15. Now that I have researched it I think it is one of the most blatant proofs that the WTS is not guided by God, and will do what I can to make sure other see the hypocrisy of this teaching.
    IC, it is common for JWs to say that because some smart brother believes it is the truth it must be so. A brother told me the other day that he has faith in the WTS because my father believes it is the truth, I almost choked. How do people not see through such baseless reasonings? I know intelligent people that believe Born Agains are true, or Catholics are true, it doesnt make either of those religions right or wrong. Many more intelligent scientists believe evolution to be true. Stephen Hawking is one of the greatest minds alive, and he is an agnostic amused at religion, can that be used as a proof against religion. JWs somehow seem unable to see past the limited sphere of the WTS beyond any sense of reason.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    I was gobsmacked when I read this bit, thinking it was a quote from (pe) "You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth" ch 23

    For a group to be classified as part of the Slave class it is not necessary for them to have understood and taught every current Witness doctrine, such as the Great Crowd and end time prophecies. However there are several key teachings that they must have held to. These groups must not believe in the Trinity or immortality of the soul. They must show love and preach. Certainly they could not advocate immorality, spiritism, Egyptology or idolatry of the cross. Currently a Witness would say that for the last 2000 years this ongoing group of Jehovah’s people was;

    That would have blown Russell's Bible Students clean out of the water since, of course, they looked to the Pyramid and used the Cross. I excitedly checked my copy of the book and , No it does not contain those words . Doh!

    I miss read the post

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