Shiney
So far, me discussing anything of substance with you leads to nothing meaningful.
And I suppose YOU think that is MY fault? Actually, when you made that mention of your opinion being as likely to be as wrong as anyone else's I thought maybe we had a break-through, but no dice I see.
You have already decided to attack anyone who expresses belief in scripture.
Please don't lie. You already make false boasts about your education in evolution, don't make it worse for yourself.
Your massive ego is evident in the fact you assume me interogating you about the validity of YOUR scriptual beliefs is interpreted by YOU as attacking ANYONE who expresses belief in scripture. I think some scriptual beliefs are quite sound sensible and supportable.
It's just you don't happen to have many scriptual beliefs like that!
Your reply below show your own lack of logic:
The reply you say this about had nothing to do with 'theology in general'. It was a direct response to your statement;
Then there is the corrupting influence of modernism upon Christianity.
This is hogwash on your part; firstly it shows once again it is YOUR interpretation of Christianity you proclaim as right, without the facts to do this.
Secondly, you ignore how divergant in practice Chrsitianity was from even the basic principles of the faith. Rather than modernism further corrupting Christianity, modernism has actually redressed many wrongs and resulted in a society that acually acts a great deal more Christian in the way it treats other people than traditonal Christian society ever did.
No lack of logic there, sorry if you didn't understand it without an explanation, but let us look at the spittle-flecked invective we can loosely regard as your rebuttal;
society has been SO corupted by modernism we now have (legally if not in everyday practise) equality of sexes, races, sexual perversions like anal sex that almost singlehandly has spread a pandemic of AIDS,
Please show from scripture that anal sex between a man and a woman is a peversion. As the Bible is very detailed in some areas (compostion and trim of garments, culinary prohibitons, workers rights), if you cannot show a specific prohibition of an activity that is known to have existed at that time and in the surrounding cultures, then you are fairly obviously just making it up, claiming you are telling us god's wishes when you are merely bleating your own sad opinion.
I actually know you CAN'T show male-female anal sex to be prohibited in the Bible, so this is you making false claims, but we'll let you show us that as per normal, eh? I bold your comments when they're in the same quote box as mine.
the increasing acceptence of the concept of "human rights", by all means, women can now terminate another human life that they are partially responsible for for any reason,
Please show from scripture that abortion is wrong. As the Bible is very detailed in some areas (compostion and trim of garments, culinary prohibitons, workers rights), if you cannot show a specific prohibition (using the right Hebrew word) of an activity that is known to have existed at that time and in the surrounding cultures, then you are fairly obviously just making it up, claiming you are telling us god's wishes when you are merely bleating your own sad opinion.
parents do not have a tight to know when their daughters are taken by a school official to have an abortion yet the same offical cannot dispense asirin to the that CHILD,
This disturbing American tendancy to regard children as chattel is actually one that one can make a convincing argument from the Bible about. However, as God considered it fine for a man to rape a young girl (provided he married her afterwards), I don't know where you think god's moral highground is, exactly.
Of course the 'faith-based' sexual education foisted upon many American kids is actually harming them, but since when did the welfare of children come before 'belief'?
The fact is in a country with decent comprehensive sex education and easy availability of contraception, not only are the rates of teen pregnancy and abortion FAR lower than the USA (like Holland, where it's less the 20% of the US level), but the age people start having sex is a few months HIGHER than the USA. Yet again, modernism resulting in a more humane world than a 'belief' lead-system.
international laws that outlaw aquistion of territory by force or extra-territorial activities by sovreign powers, yet with a United Nations that is so corrupt as to accept bribery to get a former dictator illegal arms,
Errrr... actually, I think you'll find UN employees accepted bribes, please don't make misleading statements.
You are making a claim equivalent to "Monica Lewinski fellated the United States of America". I know the bitch has a big mouth, but that's ridiculous...
But as you bring policitical integrity up, do you actually know;
- About the rulings made by the World Court AGAINST the US for supporting extra-territorial terrorism?
- Are you unfamiliar with the USA's track record of dealing with human-right violating non-democratic governments if it is useful for reasons of trade or strategic advantage?
- Or how the US has participated in the overthrow of democratic governments?
Look at Iran; it has a democratic government. The Western powers didn't like it setting the price of it's own oil, so they overthrew the democratioc govenment and installed the Shah, who was unjust (but still supported by Western powers), and was eventually overthrown by religious nutters who would NEVER had come to power if Western powers hadn't meddled in the politics of the region. Add in Iraq and the Palestine and the entire problems of the Middle East are largely due to Western governments meddling.
And whatever you do Shiney, don't think about the 'Divine Mandate', under which (popular American religious doctrine) it was okay to ethnically cleanse the Indians from their own land in a far more effective savage and permenant fashion than anything done in the former Yugoslavia
a greater percentage of readers than any other point in human history, a higher average lifespan than any other point in human history, better average educational levels, health and standard of living than any other point inhuman history... but all depending on where you happen to live!
Which part of AVERAGE do you not understand Shiney? There are far more poor hungry uneducated people than Westerners, so they have to be doing better than before (as they are) for the average to go up. The average worldwide standards are STILL higher than before, when the poor, hungry uneducated people were even poorer, hungrier and uneducated.
We have had various atheistic governments that are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions,
God knows what carnage the Christian wars of previous centuries would hve done with modern weapons.
a 'peace' movement that led to the deposing of a U.S. President,
More lies. Nixon wasn't deposed, learn the history of your own country. But I suppose you would rather a President who was so thoroughly busted for what he did as Nixon should stay in power and a President who had a blow job should be deposed, being the good 'Christian' you are?
that indirectly resulted in two million deaths in Cambodia due to an atheistic communist government coming to power.
Yeah, whereas if we'd killed that many more Vietnamses by NOT stopping the war when we could have, Jesus would have been far happier. What an idiotic argument Rex!
Of course we had Joseph Stalin starve thirty million Ukrainians in the 1930's and the National Socialists of Germany take evolutionary genetics to its logical conclusion: the gassing of millions of people who did not fit the Aryan profile. Yes, indeed we have had a wonderful century in this wonderful age of enlightenment!
Errr... despite these attrocities most people on Earth (and there are more people on Earth than ever before) WILL STILL live longer, safer, healthier, more educated lives than they would have if they were born a few hundred years ago.
The human race has never had it so good to the extent Joe Stalin and that nasty Austrian house-painter, plus Mao, plus Pol-Pot, plus the formerly US-supported murderous dictator whose trail started this week plus plus plus STILL don't change that fact.
Even without murderous atheists (well Hitler and Saddam are as religious as it suited/suits them to be), life in previous centuries where Christianity held sway was shorter, unhealtheir and more ignorant than today.
Back on ya! Making an argument of hysterics and generalisations will simply not do.
But you do is so well Rex (NOT!)