A Bethel Memory #8 - If it walks like a duck... then you're a brief wearing fairy

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  • LivingTheDream
    LivingTheDream

    If it walks like a duck... then you're a brief wearing fairy

    I was a young man at Bethel about 30 years ago, back in the early 80's and I was in pretty good shape back then. To give this story context as well as to admit my faults up front: I was a vain young man as I worked out quite a bit. I had a good body and I knew it. I hung around other brothers like me and we all wore our clothes to show off our "guns" and "six packs" as much as a Bethelite was allowed to. We all probably laughed a bit too loud together and had a bit too much fun wearing our 80's muscle shirts to parties and probably got just a bit too much attention from the sisters. At least, as far as some key people were concerned. In time, I found out that this issue alone would probably mean I would never go anywhere in the Bethel world. I was of course clueless about that, being a young dumb idealistic kid.

    I worked in the factory and shared a locker room with the factory overseer, initials: RW. This guy was one of my least favorite Bethel people. He was a short, pudgy, funny looking man with a big bottom lip of around 40 years in age. He had a Napleon complex, lofty eyes and a chip on his shoulder bigger than he was. You could just smell the haughtiness emanating from him. Not all brothers with "power" at Bethel were like him as even most of the odd ones had some niceness about them. Not this guy. It amazes me that he's still there to this day and even more powerful than ever.

    Now, as background on this story, you should know that whenever the issue of somebody's sexual orientation came up (like with Michael Jackson for example) the Bethel mantra was "if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck". The meaning was simple: if a man looked or acted effeminate, then he was gay. Why talk about it any further? Enough said. Case closed. Discussion over.

    Another thing I want to explain is that at that time there were large billboards all over town with a male model wearing only skimpy briefs. It caused much stir in Bethel as being very provocative and the women secretly loved this billboard as this model guy was well built and his bulge prominently displayed as he lounged for the picture. The jealous Bethel men simply dismissed this billboard guy as "gay" because, after all, male models are all gay aren't they? Enough said. Case closed. Discussion over. (I later found out to my amusement that this guy was not gay.)

    A final thing you need to know is that I wore colored briefs, very similar to the one the model wore on that billboard. Nobody of course saw me in those underwear except the my room mates and the guys in my locker room as I was a good Bethel boy the whole time I was there never having sex with any sister. The reason I wore them will become evident in my story.

    OK, so, now that you know all this background, here is what happened. I was changing one day and we were cutting up like we usually did. It was a locker room for Pete's sake, so there was lots of trash talking, lots of teasing, lots of "capping" on each other, towel snapping, etc. We were young and full of it and did what young guys did. There was however limits to what kind of capping you could do. For example, somebody's wife was out of bounds, so was their mother and so on. We never teased about serious things like if somebody was sick or hurt, things like that. Now, RW was the top dog in that locker room and of course the oldest. If he "capped" on you, you laughed and didn't dare say anything back. You STAYED capped. We had heard numerous stories of people who went up against RW, and they usually ended up leaving Bethel soon after. This wasn't going to happen to us we told ourselves. So, we always gave RW the respect he demanded.

    Well, this particular day RW zeroed in on me. He looked at me with everyone listening and said quite loudly:

    RW: Hey [LivingTheDream] I was driving and saw that billboard today with your "boy" on it. How is he doing? You guys get together yet? [We all knew what billboard he was talking about.]

    Locker room: OOOOOOOOOOH

    Me: Where did that come from? Why would you say something like that to me?

    RW: Well, you both wear the same underwear, so I thought you "knew" each other. [snicker]

    Locker room: OOOOOOOOOOH, SNAAAAAP!!!!

    Me: [Incredulous, sputtering] ww...what? Are you trying to say I'm gay?

    RW: Well, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck... [snicker]

    Locker room: HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

    Me: [very hurt - voice raised] You are way out of line! You have no right to accuse me of something like that in front of my friends. You're just jealous because you couldn't wear the underwear I do as you couldn't squeeze your fat butt into them and if you did, you'd look like a little sausage!

    Locker room: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. HaHaHaHa.

    RW: [Red faced, very angry, pointing at me] OUTSIDE, NOW!

    The guys all looked at me like "bye, nice knowing you" and we marched out of the locker room together. With a good distance between us and the locker room he turned and started in on me:

    RW: How DARE you speak to me that way...

    Me: [cutting him off] HOW DARE I? HOW DARE YOU! You cannot sit there as the older man among us and accuse me of homosexuality in front of all my friends like that. That was extremely humiliating and I won't take that kind of crap from anyone, not you, no one. I didn't volunteer to come here to be abused by the likes of you. Just last week you were hinting around that I liked the ladies "a bit too much" and now you're going the opposite way and hinting I like men a little too much? Why are you so fixated on my sexuality?

    RW: [a little sheepish now] Look, I was just trying to counsel you. Back in my day if an older brother gave a simple hint, I took it as a command. I had said something about those underwear you wear before this and you didn't take the hint, so I was trying again.

    Me: You're kidding right? You really don't like my underwear? Look, I wear these mainly because they give me support OK? I don't like boxers for that reason.

    RW: Well, you can wear the kind I wear then.

    Me: I don't like those "tighty whities" either. They show stains too easily and the laundry room boils and bleaches white underwear so they wear out very fast. I don't want to have to rinse them before putting them in the laundry and then get them back with bleach holes eaten into them after a few weeks. These colored briefs don't have any of those problems... as if it were any of your business.

    RW: Well, to me, they just look like what guys like that gay male model wears and that doesn't speak well for a Christian man.

    Me: First of all, nobody but my locker room brothers and my room mates see my underwear. So, exactly who is this "not speaking well to"? It's not like worldly people see me in them. Second of all, that male model happens to be married and jealous people like you only label him as gay because you can't stand his good looks, which is typical of funny looking witnesses with any sort of power. Also, you don't seem to have a problem with brother Tim. He wears the exact same underwear I do and you've never said a word to Tim about it. Nothing.

    RW: Yes, I know, but Tim doesn't fixate on his body like you do and he is very frail and besides, he's a quiet man. You, well, you're all pumped up and... well, it just looks like those...you know... male model guys to me.

    Me: So, you are saying you just don't like these underwear on me then, right? If I'm in shape, have a nice body and actually look good in these underwear, that is where the "not speaking well for a Christian man" part comes in? You only like it when a guy is skinny and quiet and doesn't threaten you, so then he could wear women's underwear if he wanted and you would have no problem with it? This sounds like a personal problem on your part, not mine. Jealousy doesn't suit an older man like you.

    RW: Well, what would brother [GB I knew very well back then] say about all this? Your speaking to me this way?

    Me: I'm glad you brought that up. Brother [GB] is more mature than that to care what a young Bethelite's underwear looks like, and he definitely wouldn't be jealous of my body like you apparently are. Let's go ask him.

    RW: [silence, thinking out his next move...]

    Me: Look, if you don't want me to wear them because it really bothers you for whatever reason and you're that adamant about it, why not just pull me aside and speak to me as a brother? Why not just ask me? I would get rid of these things and wear something else if that truly offends you, as my brother. Fine. Ask in a mature way, one-on-one, and I'll deal with it. But don't try to humiliate and bully me like that in front of others, that just will not work on me.

    RW: Do what you want.

    Me: Ask me as a brother...

    RW: Do what you want. [leaves]

    By then the guys had left the locker room and were starting work. I finished changing and then went to my station. Everybody looked at me, but nobody said anything at first. At the next break I told my story and they all were amazed I wasn't kicked out of Bethel for saying what I said to him both in the locker room and in private later. But, there I was, still in Bethel and I had gone up against the big bad RW and lived to tell about it. Of course, I never got an apology from this troll of a man, not even a personal one, let alone a public one. Of course, he wouldn't actually humble himself and ask me as a brother to stop doing this thing he claimed bothered him so much. No, this was about jealousy, power, control and ego, pure and simple.

    After a week or so, I realized he couldn't touch me. The way he looked at me after that, it slowly dawned on me that I now actually had something on him. I think he thought long and hard how bad he'd look for saying what he said to me if we did go to another more mature brother about this. However, I also knew that after that, he had his eye on me, always looking for just one mistake...

    My body has since aged, gotten a bit thicker and sagged some, and is certainly not as good as it was back then, but guess what kind of underwear I still sport? At least my wife thinks I look good and she's now the only one that sees me in them and we're the only two people on the planet that care either way.

    LivingTheDream

  • LivingTheDream
    LivingTheDream

    Miseryloveselders,

    Well, to give you some background on me that I have not talked about so far in this venue, I actually am published as a matter of fact, but not for fiction. My wife however HAS been published for fiction.

    I also have a few patents and have written assets that are read and used by people all over the world. You can find my work translated in Chinese, Russian and other languages. I am well known in my own business circles, but mostly in the North American countries even though I travel to other countries from time to time.

    I do personal public speaking appearances and teaching too as I travel about 25 to 30 times a year.

    LivingTheDream

  • JRK
    JRK

    LTD,

    I am glad I am not the only one that fought back. I never made it to Bethel, nor wanted to. I didn't want to hang my "ding-dong" on the "ding-dong" tree for 4 years! But I did stand up for myself locally.

    You da man!

    And I like boxer briefs, thank you very much. I think RW has some sexual orientation issues. An Ewart Chitty wannabe.

    Hell, we all got older and thicker, age is a bitch.

    JK

  • life is to short
    life is to short

    That was another great story. You are so right about ticking off the wrong brother. You just did not do that. My husband ticked off one and I will always wonder if that was why we did not stay. At the time even with all the stupid things happening at Bethel, I still wanted to stay so badly. We were there on the temp program, but my overseer from my first day at Bethel told me we would not stay. So I never knew why we truly never stayed, my overseer told me most Bethelites were there for the free food and rooms and the way he said it to me, I knew he felt that was why I was there. It hurt me so bad. I have always worked to support myself, I have never taken from anyone and to even be thought I was a freeloader killed me. It broke my heart that my overseer would say that to me. He did not even know me when he started in on me with I was there for the free stuff.

    I wish I could write as well as you do, there are many stories I would love to tell and I know everything you have written is true. I have either heard them or I lived them myself at Bethel just with different people.

    There was a brother at 90 Sands much like RW and amazing he is still at Bethel. You had to bow to him or else you would be asked to leave, I hated having to deal with him. I would sometime crawl off a floor on my hands and knees when I heard him coming and try to hide from him, he was just really big bully with a loud voice.

    It was sad I was there to service Jehovah and that was it that is why I was there nothing more, I was not there to play the stupid games yet you had too to stay.

    Thanks for your great post.

    LITS

  • laverite
    laverite

    As this site's resident Gay Superhero/College Professor/Author/Editor/And Most Importantly: Father of Young Children, I have to ask: "Why all the hating on gay people? in this thread?" Where's the love?

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Bethels Undefeated..

    Underwear Wrestling Champion..

    ................. ...OUTLAW

  • laverite
    laverite

    Hey MLE. "Not saying its right, but it was and is what it is." I actually get where you're coming from now. Got it.

  • WingCommander
    WingCommander

    I gotta jump in and say, I just love the universal attitude JW's have that, "If I have a problem with you, YOU must be the one to change, or else I'll accuse you of stumbling ME." What utter bullshit!!! If someone has a problem with you, or what you do - that is THEIR problem, and how can YOU be guilty of affecting THEM? It is an environment comprised of absolutely ZERO personal responsability, unless someone else says its your responsability. I saw this utter lunacy even at a young age and couldn't comprehend why I had to change because of someone else's problem of not agreeing with it. My point of view is that they should mind their own fucking business.

    Absolutely rediculous. I love how you pointed out to him how you didn't VOLUNTEER to go there and put up with shit off of the likes of HIM.

    I think it's good to point also that people like this fat sausage shrimp of man would a total ZERO in the real world, total douchebags.....a janitor AT BEST. But a Brooklyn Bethel, haughty, power-mongering attitutudes are rewarded, and lowly MEEK ones are screwed over on a daily basis. I bet Jesus would be proud, huh?

    - Wing Commander

  • LivingTheDream
    LivingTheDream

    WingCommander,

    I wanted to say that, like you, I was thinking at the time that this fat bastard wouldn't be anything or anybody in the real world. But, in Bethel, he could probably right now be GB if he decided to drink the juice. Of all the posts I've done so far, this by far was the indicent that hurt me the most. It was one thing to be bullied by nobodies like I talked about in one post, but an entirely different thing to be bullied by somebody in power and that I had looked up to.

    AudeSapere asked in another post about when it might be that I decided to leave the organization, well, it wasn't anything all at once. But, if I had to point to one event that made we want to leave Bethel, this was it. I mean, to be a young boy that was just trying to help, just trying to do his part in serving God, to have to look over my shoulder in fear because some power mad ego maniac was personally miffed that he couldn't abuse me at will, well, that just was unacceptable.

    I realized that the fear, stress, dispair and unhappiness I saw at Bethel was not something that was here and there due to a few random losers or a smattering of quirky people. No, it was a systemic problem, from the top.

    If there was anybody that over the years I've fantasized about going back there to find and punch in the face, it was this evil little gnome.

    LivingTheDream

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Thank you for your stories LTD. They are well written and very entertaining while providing a moral lesson.

    I too wear that type of briefs and I'm the kind of guy who looks bad in anything.

    Villabolo

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