My Daughter's Birthday Party and My Wife's Cognitive Dissonance

by garyneal 17 Replies latest members private

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    In case you have not noticed in recent posts, my daughter's birthday party at Chuck E Cheese's was this past Saturday, May 8, 2010. It was a success even though not everyone that I had anticipated showed up. Some lessons learned on my part but the real interesting aspects of it was how my wife handled the event.

    To my surprise, my wife bought the birthday cake. Of course, she took issue with the size (it was a bit smaller than I had expected), plus she took issue with how I handled the invitations. Truth is, she was starting to irritate me with how she found fault in how I handled certain parts of the party and was giving unsolicited advice here and there. But to be sure, I made sure that I showed appreciation for all of her advice and told her that while I was not the expert in handling these things like she was, I was doing the best I could and considered it all a learning experience.

    But the issue she took over the size of the cake (which by the way was more than sufficient for the number of guests that did arrive) it kind of pushed me over the edge and I had to respond.

    "You know for someone who is not suppose to have anything at all to do with birthdays, you sure do have a lot to say about how I am handling my daughter's. What gives?"

    "Well, I'm a controlling person and I just see how I would do things differently and as much as I want to get in there and do things I keep having to tell myself, 'You're not into this anymore, this is HIS party now.'"

    "You're not into it, yet you seem to keep teetering along the fence over what you want to do. Personally, I am not used to that. Either you are okay with birthday parties or you're not. It's hard for me to know what to expect from you when you get wishy washy like this."

    My daughter liked the words 'wishy washy' by the way and started laughing at the words wondering what it means. She is so inquisitive like that.

    My wife then laments and admits that she believes that events that have pagan origins should be viewed in accords to how they are celebrated today. WHOA!

    She also takes great issue with the whole premise that 99.9% of the whole world's population are going to die at Armageddon. DOUBLE WHOA!

    In her mind, she feels that no one really deserves to die when people are born into a condition that makes them inclined to sin.

    I told her that I think she is having a major case of cognitive dissonance and that she really should read the book I brought home. CRISIS OF CONSCIOUS.

    She then went on to say that she had issue with going along with what other religions believe about the whole 'pearly gates' thing and I told her that it is not about finding another religion. The conversation got cut short because it started getting a bit too heavy for a little 4 year old to listen in on and we decided to put a to 'be continued' on it. Besides, we had just arrived at Chuck E Cheese's and was running late for the party.

    My wife had fun at the party and so did my daughter and all her friends. I let my wife talk with the other mothers and let them play with the kids while I handled things with the staff at the party.

    Coming up, this Friday, May 14, my wife's assistant at her job wants to throw her a surprise birthday party (my wife's birthday is this week). I agreed to help out in any way I can and plan to bring my daughter and invite her 'worldly' sister to come over too.

    Stay tuned...

  • asilentone
    asilentone

    if her elders ever find out about your wife participating in your daughter's birthday, she would be disfellowshipped.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Just a few clarification questions. You're the guy who's wife just recently got baptized as a JW right? And NOW she's expressing doubts?

    I'm no expert but it looks like you have an opportunity here. Nudge, don't PUSH. Stay positive, as it seems you are. Good luck to you!

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    Wow. Newly baptized are usually pretty die-hard and gung-ho. If she is expressing her doubts already...

  • greenie
    greenie

    GaryNeal, just wanted to say I always appreciate your stories and how candid you are. My little one's first birthday is coming up in a couple of months and I am really struggling to figure out a positive way to address it with my JW. I want to throw the baby a party, and to be clear, there will be a birthday party, but I really want it to be a positive experience for and with my JW too. I haven't even brought it up yet because I am so not looking forward to that conversation. Any advice?

  • nugget
    nugget

    GaryNeal I hope your daughter had a fabulous time, I'm sure she appreciated your efforts however imperfect and she was just thrilled to have both parents celebrating her special day. I think this party may be bringing home to your wife how isolated she is as a witness and your reasonable approach in the beginning may be starting to see some payback. By asking questions and keeping her thinking you may get through to her. This may not seem like a big thing but believe me her attending the party in what ever capacity is huge.

    Happy birthday to little miss Neal

  • sherah
    sherah

    Whatever you are doing, keep it up. Your wife is thinking! Proceed with care.

    Happy belated birthday to the little one.

  • undercover
    undercover
    My wife then laments and admits that she believes that events that have pagan origins should be viewed in accords to how they are celebrated today. WHOA!

    Interestingly enough, there are WT articles that back that thought up. I don't have resources handy but maybe Blondie or someone can get you the info on the pinata article. Compare what it says about the origins of pinatas and how they're viewed today with the common JW thought on birthdays. There's an obvious disconnect between the two.

    Maybe your newly converted wife hasn't seen this bit of spirit directed information yet. Maybe it will give her another little nudge...

    Good luck...

  • garyneal
    garyneal
    if her elders ever find out about your wife participating in your daughter's birthday, she would be disfellowshipped.

    Well, she participated in a limited way I will admit. She bought the birthday cake but my daughter and I picked it out. She could say that all she did was 'support her head' and did not sing happy birthday. But she was there none-the-less.

    To any JW lurker who may know my wife and is thinking of reporting her:

    • The only "JW" that know she was at the party are the people on this board.
    • This message was placed in the members only group.

    So if you report her, I'll report you because:

    • You're obviously a member of JW apostate site.
    • That point I will make well known to the elders in my wife's cong.

    I don't agree with my wife's religion but I support my wife in her associating with it and will support her against her accusers.

  • garyneal
    garyneal
    You're the guy who's wife just recently got baptized as a JW right? And NOW she's expressing doubts?

    She's been expressing doubts even before she got baptized. For a while, at least a couple of years ago, she was even questioning the Bible and beginning to adopt an atheistic viewpoint. I think the only reason why she is in the religion is because she is afraid to die and she does not want to disappoint her family and her other religious peers.

    Of course, I have to be careful what I say. Any attempt to discredit the religion is met with a fierce defense as she digs in and tries to defend their faulty doctrines as some of my other posts will attest to.

    Wow. Newly baptized are usually pretty die-hard and gung-ho. If she is expressing her doubts already...

    Yeah, I don't think she joined this religion for the right reasons. I keep telling her that she has to remain true to herself. My religious beliefs are a good fit for me but hers is obviously not a good fit for her. There isn't much room in the WTS for reasoning with the scriptures independently of the FDS. She disagrees with some of their teachings, but must follow them anyway to the letter.

    nugget: My daughter had a blast. She got everything she wanted and then some. We had enough people show up to make it fun and the hostess was very patient and helpful with me. There was a funny scene where the mouse came around to do his bit and she was so afraid of him at first. I tried to get up with her so she could dance with him and she ended up clinging to me with her legs around mine while I was trying to bop her up and down. It was a riot, but she warmed up to the mouse and danced with him and her friends.

    sherah: Thank you and thanks for the advice. I must consider my steps.

    undercover: Yeah, YNOT showed me the disconnect between the pinatas and Christmas in WT'ese. I showed them to my wife and told her how hypocritical I thought they were. She still defends them but I think deep down she knows I'm right and just does not want to acknowledge it. At least not openly.

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