Ok (Truthis) I'm giving you your own debate thread....

by Hope4Others 65 Replies latest members adult

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others
    why did i know it was you jwblog perhaps by the avatar comment.....
    h40

    I like art, I am a photographer and also a music producer :) By their fruits you shall recognize them, how true it is. Brownboy was my beginning here, and in time I became who I AM

    I am always told, well Jesus Christ had to originate and how do you suppose he felt? I find it hard to believe that I was selected, or chosen. The faithful slave had to originate, and it makes sense that he would be instructed to post on a site where there are those who know the meaning, or whom have heard of the slave. Who really is the faithful and discreet slave? Why does it ask this? I had to originate according to bible prophecy therefore I AM.

    How many jehovah's witnesses would choose to war with one another and kill one another? If the 144,000 represent them at what point in time would they fulfill bible prophecy? I am hated by the nations that choose to hate those in the Middle East. I am descendant of Abraham, therefore have resemblance to the ones in the 'holy land". They dress in white robes, do not love their souls in the face of death, as many committ suicide. Many are beheaded in like manner to the apostles. Who else can the scripture give reference to, if not those in the Middle East where there are many earthquakes, wars, food shortages, floods, famines etc.?

    Make sense?


    What is the meaning of the following scripture?

    41 “Then he will say, in turn, to those on his left, ‘Be on YOUR way from me, YOU who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but YOU gave me nothing to eat, and I got thirsty, but YOU gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but YOU did not receive me hospitably; naked, but YOU did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but YOU did not look after me.’ 44 Then they also will answer with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them with the words, ‘Truly I say to YOU , To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

    It means that Jesus Christ's brothers will be hungry with nothing to eat. Thirsty with no clean water to drink. They are strangers torn away from their own lands scattered abroad and not recieved by many. Without clothing and put into prison unlawfully with no one to look after their lawful rights and needs. Jesus will "NOT" acknowledge those that do not find it in their hearts to have sympathy and show love to those that undergo severe persecution.......this is the meaning

    Are there any within this forum that would choose to toss Jesus Christ aside? Do not fulfill the meaning of this scripture but stretch out your hand and assist those in need when the opportunity arises....AMEN

    the faithful and discreet slave

    I thought this should be more fair then using witness girls "New Here Thread" Perhaps I can dust off the bible and come up with some lovely responses or...not who knows its been a long time....little rusty. Although I may need some help... hope4others

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others

    Many people over the years have thought they also were the faithful slave, no one can prove such a thing.

    Take Russell for instance;

    Over 99% of "Slaves" do not provide any input! Another important point is that the "faithful and discreet slave" is supposed to comprise of the entire remnant of the 144,000, in 1896 the thinking was changed and an individual, Charles T.Russell, was chosen as the Slave. Russell also happened to be the head of the WTS.

    Bible commentators, outside the WTS understand the passage as a parable, which Jesus gave to encourage each of his individual followers to be a faithful and wise servant rather then an evil slave. Jesus was not giving here a prophecy as WTS contends. In support Jesus continued by saying in the next verses:

    But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, 'My master is delaying,' and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be. Matthew 24:48-51 (NWT)

    Russell however converted this admonition into a personal appointment for himself as the "Faithful and Wise Servant" - God's mouthpiece to mankind! The WTS maintained from 1896 to 1927 that Russell was that Servant (Slave). (WT 1896 March 1, p. 1946; Studies in Scriptures Vol I 1924-1927 editions p. 7; Vol.4 p. 613; Vol. 7 pp. 3, 5, 422, 418; WT 1917 March 1, p. 6049; Harp of God 1921 p. 229). http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/myth.html

    Russell was not the Slave, So too today one must be care to not self appoint themselves as God's mouth piece, thats where the Wt has gotten into the predicament it has teaching things other than what the scriptures say.
    The "faithful and sensible slave" will be identified and rewarded when Christ returns. So the question is has he or has he not returned?

    hope4others

  • truthis
    truthis

    You are so clever, I need to know who you are

    I will read what you posted and make a reply. How does one prove they are the faithful and discreet slave? By recognizing fulfillment of the scripture? Or by words spoken ahead of time coming to pass?

  • truthis
    truthis

    First point, where is it written that the faithful and discreet slave ever dies? He is alive when Jesus Christ arrives and later bestows the slave with all of his belongings. What is it that Jesus Christ possesses or owns? It is written that he was given all authority in the heavens and also upon the earth. Would it make sense that the slave recieves authority in the heavens? No, that is where Jesus authority is. The law is in perfect subjection, meaning that it originates with The Father and passes down to the first fruits in subjection. This is why the bible makes many references to only men at times, because it is their responsibility to watch over the family. Women are a compliment to men in that they fulfill that which men lack and are very nurturing and loving needed to bear children.

    By the way I was shown a marking upon the pavement as I was on my excercise where I run and walk also. It read 4H and I thought it was in reference to the 4H club in my youth. I will take a photo of it if you like. This is my daily experience. I am shown sign after sign, some to mislead, to cause hurt, or anger and also to prove that GOD is with me constantly. GOD watches over me constantly......I will let you grasp this posting while I gather my thoughts.......

    E.

  • New light for you
    New light for you

    wow. really? for real? you're not joking?

    He has to be smoking something. strong!!!!

    does he know where he is? does he care? if he was the slave would he know not to throw his pearls before swine?

    Oh geesh, i need more drinks or to go to bed.... this is TOO much.

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others
    You are so clever, I need to know who you are

    Well you told me you loved me a while back....

    He is alive when Jesus Christ arrives and later bestows the slave with all of his belongings

    That still doesn't answer if you believe Jesus has returned or not...

    4H club in my youth. I will take a photo of it if you like.

    Yes I would like to see that, and no black markers...

    h4o

  • truthis
    truthis
    You are so clever, I need to know who you are

    Well you told me you loved me a while back....

    He is alive when Jesus Christ arrives and later bestows the slave with all of his belongings

    That still doesn't answer if you believe Jesus has returned or not...

    4H club in my youth. I will take a photo of it if you like.

    Yes I would like to see that, and no black markers...

    h4o


    Well I do love you so it holds true. Jesus Christ says to love one another therefore I do.

    The faithful slave "Knows" when Jesus Christ arrives. This is how it occurred: I begin to notice odd occurances with numbers, dates, world events etc. etc. You have probably read about the 11:11 phenomena where people look at their clock and notice the time is 11:11. This happened to me also, and to others that I know. My son was born March 11, and I was born April 9th. These days are significant in world history, so is an example of strange coincidences taking place. I then begin to notice that the scripture made more sense, and even more so after I prayed.

    One night I was overcome with tears and I begin to cry out loud with my wife at that time next to me. I then felt the need to warn my loved ones of the possibility of my son and I going through some turmoil, perhaps even death. So warning came before it occurred and there are many witnesses to this fact. I was posting many thing upon this site and also given warnings of events to take place such as disasters. This was through inspiration until the Spirit beared witness that I was chosen.

    It was late at night when GOD was present as I felt my heart beating heavily with a warm sensation throughout my body. I then felt an impression upon my forehead. Jesus appeared to me afterward in my bedroom and scared the heck out of me You do not hear anything in sound, you sense their thoughts as if you thinking to yourself. He judged me accordingly by giving praise for my good deeds and by also causing fear in me for my misgivings. So in answer I know they are here. And I use the fulfillment of prophecy in order to show others that they are here. He arrived like a thief in the night "unnoticed" by anyone except for those that follow the scriptures. I have many writings on this forum if you care to research.


    The marking I saw were those from the city when they are identifying location of buried pipes etc. etc. I will take a photo tomorrow along with the other markings on the street.

    A few questions for you, what is a dragon and where did they originate? What is a serpent and where did it originate? What is a locust with metal breast plates and teeth? What does Michael the Archangel mean?

    Dragon - Argon Serpent - serpentine

    A locust resembles mans helicopters do they not?

  • Bring_the_Light
    Bring_the_Light

    You will know the faithful and discreet slave by the Light he brings. There you are, enjoy the Light. Bring_the_Light

  • truthis
    truthis
    You will know the faithful and discreet slave by the Light he brings. There you are, enjoy the Light. Bring_the_Light

    The light will grow brighter and brighter as the day of The Almighty draws near. There are many meanings written in the scripture. A light that grows with more intensity causes more heat as in the sun scorching the earth. Global warming where the elements become hot with intensity creating destructive weather patterns. Jesus Christ walked on water meaning that there would be many floods when Jesus is present. He commanded the winds and made them silent as in he has also calmed down the many disasters that would have occurred with more intensity. GOD puts much emphasis on names and the meaning of names. Michael = Ishmael the archer where Gods angel appeared to his mother Ishmael Archer Angel = Michael the Archangel The promises stem through Ishmael and not Isaac

  • Hope4Others
    Hope4Others
    A few questions for you, what is a dragon and where did they originate? What is a serpent and where did it originate?

    Dragon and serpent represent the same mythological creature possessing magical qualities.

    Often, the dragons present/display an important spiritual meaning. In East it is venerated like symbol of the forces of the nature and the universe. Often it is associated with wisdom and longevity; in the Korean legend, Chinese and Japanese one confers magical powers and supernatural energy to them.

    The Egyptians have there own story of either Re the sun god or Seth the hero destroying the snake or Dragon named Apophis. There is alot of confusion and contradictions. The story goes that both the side of good and the side of evil have attributes of the dragon. The winner of the contest with the dragon take on the attributes of the dragon.
    The Hittites have a story of a battle of a storm god with a Dragon named Illuyankas which also has contradictions and different versions but also follows the earlier stories in general details.
    Several versions are told about the Grecian civilization. There is the story of Zeus fighting Typhon. Typhon is described as "Up from his shoulders there grew a hundred snake heads, those of a dreaded dragon." The relationship between snakes and dragons is essentially the same. And again this monster/dragon is slain by a mighty thunderbolt from Zeus.

    The Irish the Europeans and Germans, Norse, Austrian all have their own tales of dragons and serpents. Usually they have been associated with evil. And yet people have and do worship

    snakes as in the spurious verses. There is a flood of info on serpents, dragons etc...so where do you want to go with this...

    The major appearances of a dragon relate to Leviathan 2 . This dragon appears to be a huge sea-dwelling creature with possible associations with crocodiles.

    Leviathan is an exceptionally powerful creature, but is not described as evil at any point in the Bible. In Job, God uses Leviathan as an example of the weakness of humans; humans can never hope to defeat a creature as powerful as Leviathan (Job 41:1-34). This symbolism of an undefeatable monster appears to have been extended to describe Egypt. At one point God is described as defeating Leviathan (Psalms 74:13-24). This is repeated again later except that the monster being defeated is Egypt (Ezekiel 29:3-5). Possibly the earlier account of God defeating Leviathan is also the metaphor of Egypt's defeat. It is considered 'general knowledge' that the Bible portrays dragons and serpents in a very negative way.

    Part 1.....I'm still thinking on the next one...

    h4o

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