Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-31-2014 WT Study (FULL POTENTIAL)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-31-2014 WT Study (JUNE 15, 2014, pages 28-32 (HELP OTHERS)

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    Help Others Reach Their Full Potential

    “I will give you advice with my eye upon you.”

    —PS. 32:8.

    HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?

    • What are some Bible examples of Jehovah’s seeing potential in his servants?

    • Why should we try to look for the good in others?

    • How can young or newly baptized brothers be helped to reach their full potential?

    OPENING COMMENTS

    For my sake, I am starting up my comments again, for me, and anyone who gets something useful from them.

    I start this out the same way I have for almost 50 years of attending meetings or reading the WT publications.

    1. What does the title mean, what is their goal?

    2. What do I think about how this has played out in my life?

    3. Other people’s lives in the organization including people on JWN?

    4. When this topic has been covered in the past, what were the results in the congregation; did people see themselves in reality or illusion?

    5. How does the WTS twist or trick jws with the vocabulary?

    1, 2. How does Jehovah view his servants on earth?

    WHEN parents watch their children play, they are often

    amazed by the inborn abilities the young ones have. Can you

    confirm that from your personal experience? One child may

    appear to have natural agility or athletic ability, while a sibling

    seems more at ease with board games or some art or

    craft. But regardless of their children’s gifts, parents find

    pleasure in discovering their potential.

    Why can’t children be athletic and artistic? Why look for differences/competition in siblings? Only potentials approved by the WTS, not athletics or art.

    2 Jehovah too takes a keen interest in his earthly children.

    He sees his modern-day servants as “the precious things of

    all the nations.” (Hag. 2:7) They are precious particularly because

    of their faith and devotion. You may, though, have noticed

    that among fellow Witnesses today, there are many different

    talents. Some brothers are gifted at public speaking,

    whereas others excel at organizing matters. Many sisters

    have a knack for learning foreign languages and use them in

    the ministry, while others are outstanding examples of giving

    support to those who need encouragement or of caring

    for the sick. (Rom. 16:1, 12) Do we not appreciate being in the

    congregation with all such Christians?

    Do jws look for the good or the bad in people, including their own children? What was your experience? Not precious though if their faith and devotion does not match their parents expectations.

    Fellow Witnesses—why not Christians.

    Sisters don’t have the abilities of public speaking; how would anyone know since they are not allowed to give public talks. Organizing, is that a male trait only? Do sisters have a knack for foreign languages, but not to be used in public speaking but only in one on one preaching/teaching with one individual? Sisters who move to other countries or foreign language congregations because husband hunting is more likely to be successful.

    So why then are only women seen as being responsible for helping and supporting the sick and depressed.

    Does this scripture indicate that the elders are supposed to hand off this duty to women?

    (1 Peter 5:2, 3) . . .Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care, not under compulsion, but willingly; neither for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly; 3 neither as lording it over those who are God’s inheritance, but becoming examples to the flock.

    Such Christians—do you know that the WTS says that jws are the only true Christians and all others are merely professed or so-called?

    *** w92 6/15 p. 4 Is There a Way Out Of Man’s Sinful State? ***

    However, many of the 3,500,000,000 non-Christians of the world (twice the number of so-called Christians) find the idea of a ransom very difficult to grasp

    3. What questions will we consider in this article?

    3 However, some fellow believers, including

    young or newly baptized brothers,

    may not yet have found their place in

    the congregation. How can we help them

    to reach their full potential? Why should

    we strive to look for the good in them,

    thus viewing them as Jehovah does?

    “have not found their place” and who is qualified to determine what that is?

    Who judges what the “full potential” is.

    Viewing them as God does…who on earth knows what God thinks of that individual, where is Jesus in this equation?

    JEHOVAH SEES THE GOOD IN HIS SERVANTS

    4, 5. How does the account at Judges 6:11-16

    4 A number of Bible accounts make it

    clear that Jehovah sees not only the good

    in his servants but also their potential.

    For example, when Gideon was chosen

    to set God’s people free from Midianite

    oppression, he must have been

    stunned by the angel’s greeting: “Jehovah

    is with you, you mighty warrior.”

    It seems clear that at the time, Gideon

    felt anything but “mighty.” He acknowledged

    his doubts and his own sense of insignificance.

    But as the ensuing conversation revealed,

    Jehovah certainly had a much more positive view of

    his servant than Gideon had of himself.

    —Read Judges 6:11-16.

    Right, now the WTS starts with an OT, non-Christian example for Christians. No examples in the first century?

    Must have been – the bible does not say

    It seems clear—is it clear or not, what does the bible say, are they guessing

    God may have but what did Gideon’s fellow worshippers think of him”

    Did his family follow his example?

    *** it-1 p. 934 Gideon ***

    Gideon came to have many wives, by whom he had 70 sons. After Gideon’s death at a good old age, Israel again fell victim to Baal worship. Furthermore, Abimelech the son of Gideon by his concubine, a woman of Shechem, killed Gideon’s other sons. Only Jotham, the youngest, escaped.

    5 Jehovah trusted Gideon to deliver Israel

    because He had observed his skills.

    For one thing, Jehovah’s angel had noticed

    how Gideon threshed wheat with

    all his might. Something else had caught

    the angel’s attention. In Bible times,

    farmers usually beat out grain in an

    open area to take advantage of the wind,

    which would blow away the chaff. Surprisingly,

    Gideon was secretly threshing

    wheat in a winepress in order to conceal

    his meager harvest from the Midianites.

    What a clever strategy! No wonder

    that in Jehovah’s eyes, Gideon was more

    show that Jehovah sees the potential in his servants?

    than a cautious farmer—he was a shrewd

    man. Yes, Jehovah saw his potential and

    worked with him.

    Gideon was a soldier and he and his men killed many people. Will jws today do that?

    6, 7. (a) How did Jehovah’s view of the prophet

    Amos dier from that of some Israelites?

    (b) What indicates that Amos was not an uneducated

    person?

    6 Similarly, we see in the case of the

    prophet Amos that Jehovah noticed the

    potential of one of his servants, even

    though he might have appeared to many

    to be rather insignificant or unassuming.

    Amos described himself as a raiser

    of sheep and a nipper of sycamore

    figs—a variety regarded as food for the

    poor. When Jehovah appointed Amos to

    condemn the idolatrous ten-tribe kingdom

    of Israel, some Israelites might have

    thought that he was a poor choice.—Read

    Amos 7:14, 15.

    Another OT example, Amos, to condemn the 10-tribe kingdom, God’s true people.

    Some…might have—guessing again?

    7 Amos came from a remote village,

    but his knowledge of the customs

    and rulers of his time gave evidence

    that he was not ignorant. He was likely

    well-informed about conditions in

    Israel, and he may have been knowledgeable

    about neighboring nations as a

    result of his dealings with traveling merchants.

    (Amos 1:6, 9, 11, 13; 2:8; 6:4-6)

    Some Bible scholars today credit Amos

    with good writing skills. Not only did

    the prophet choose simple and powerful

    words but he made good use of parallelism

    and wordplay. Indeed, Amos’ bold

    response to the corrupt priest Amaziah

    confirmed that Jehovah had chosen the

    right person and could use his abilities

    that might not at first seem obvious.

    —Amos 7:12, 13, 16, 17.

    Not ignorant—not in Jewish wisdom???

    Some Bible scholars—who, what, where

    God had chosen the right person—God has chosen the right people today, the GB, is the WTS underlying message

    8. (a) What assurance did Jehovah give David?

    (b) Why are the words at Psalm 32:8 reassuring

    to those who may lack self-confidence or skills?

    8 Yes, Jehovah notices the potential

    in each of his servants. He assured

    King David that he would always guide

    him, with ‘his eye upon him.’ (Read

    Psalm 32:8.) Do you see why that should

    be encouraging to us? Even though we

    may lack self-confidence, Jehovah can

    help us to go beyond our perceived limits

    and reach goals that we would not have

    imagined. Just as an instructor watches

    an inexperienced rock climber attentively

    in order to help him find the best

    handholds, Jehovah is willing to guide us

    as we make spiritual advancement. Jehovah

    might also use fellow believers to

    help us reach our full potential. How so?

    His servants—not Jesus’ followers

    OT—King David, an adulterer and murdered that escaped the punishment of death

    Amazingly, the WTS picks a sport they look down on as dangerous, not for jws.

    *** g02 10/8 pp. 22-23 Thrill Seekers—Why the Fatal Attraction? ***

    Rock climbing up the sheer sides of mountains with nothing but tiny fingerholds and toeholds is attracting thousands. Even television and magazine commercials advertising everything from trucks to headache remedies show climbers hanging precariously from steep mountain precipices hundreds of feet in the air, secured only by a thin rope. It is reported that in 1989 some 50,000 people in the United States dared to take part in this sport; more recently an estimated half-million are drawn by its fatal attraction. Worldwide the numbers are increasing.

    Christians view life as a precious gift from Jehovah God. When one deliberately puts his life in danger by taking needless chances just to demonstrate his daring courage—his machismo—or to excite the crowd or satisfy his own need to experience a rush, he is, in effect, showing contempt for the marvelous gift of life that God has given us. Jesus certainly showed deep respect for his life and did not unnecessarily endanger it. He refused to put God to the test.—Matthew 4:5-7.

    Christians, likewise, have an obligation to show respect for life. “I once climbed a steep rock cliff and found myself unable to go backward or forward,” wrote one Christian. “To this day I shudder at how close I came to dying. What a stupid waste it would have been!”

    ‘Where I live,’ wrote a Christian youth, ‘the kids participate in many of these thrill sports. They are always trying to get me to join them. In the news, though, I often see reports of people dying or getting seriously hurt from the same supposedly fun sports that kids tell me about. I realize that it would be unwise for me to endanger the life that Jehovah God gave me, for such a short-lived thrill.’ May you be of the same sound mind and judgment.

    God guides or do 7 men in NY tell jws where to walk…bible is not necessary—I remember 2 stories from elders

    1. WT conductor asks audience what jws base their beliefs on as he starts to raise the WT; the COBOE almost leaps 4 feet as he grabs the mike and says, “the bible.:

    2. Elders meeting and chastising new elder for basing his comments on the bible as one elder points to the elders manual and says this is what we base our comments on

    LOOK FOR THE GOOD IN OTHERS

    9. How can we apply Paul’s exhortation to

    “look out” for the interests of others?

    9 Paul urged all Christians to “look

    out” for the interests of fellow believers.

    (Read Philippians 2:3, 4.) The essence of

    Paul’s counsel is that we should observe

    the gifts that others have and acknowledge

    them. How do we feel when someone

    shows interest in the progress that

    we have made? Usually, it stimulates us

    to make additional progress, bringing

    out the best in us. Likewise, when we acknowledge

    the value of our fellow believers,

    we help them to thrive and grow

    spiritually.

    Christians—only jws

    Fellow believers—only jws

    Essence—hmmm

    Shows interest in our progress—stimulates or discourages as jws hear the constant DO MORE litany?

    Acknowledge as a group or an individual? Prior to stiff counsel as the WTS say to commend first then counsel. The only commendation I ever heard preceded misplaced counsel.

    10. Who in particular may need our attention?

    10 Who in particular may need our attention?

    Of course, all of us need special

    attention from time to time. Still, young

    or newly baptized brothers really need to

    sense that they are involved in the congregation’s

    activities. This will help them

    to understand that they do have a place

    among us. On the other hand, failure to

    give fitting recognition to such brothers

    may stifle their desire to reach out

    for more responsibilities, something that

    God’s Word encourages them to do.

    —1 Tim. 3:1.

    Newly baptized brothers (not sisters) because the WTS needs men to “reach out.” They don’t need effective preachers and teachers but public speakers.

    What are sisters good for? Hmmm

    11. (a) How did an elder help a young man to

    overcome shyness? (b) What lesson do you see

    in Julien’s experience?

    11 Ludovic, an elder who benefited

    from such interest when he was younger,

    says: “When I show genuine interest in a

    brother, he makes advancement more

    quickly.” Regarding Julien, a young man

    who was rather shy, Ludovic says: “Because

    Julien at times attempted to assert

    himself in a somewhat clumsy way, his

    behavior was not natural. But I could see

    that he was very kind and really wanted

    to help others in the congregation.

    Hence, rather than call his motives into

    question, I focused on his positive traits,

    trying to encourage him.” In time, Julien

    qualified to be a ministerial servant, and

    now he is a regular pioneer.

    So where was Ludovic’s jw father? Where was Julien’s jw father?

    “clumsy way…not natural” what does that mean?

    “call his motives into question” too many jws make judging an entertaining pastime even making something up if they lack even one fact.

    Julien—MS and regular pioneer, a real asset now…now some sister has to snatch him up, the only way she will have status in the organization.

    HELP THEM REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL

    12. What valuable quality is necessary to help

    someone reach his full potential? Give an example.

    12 Understandably, if we are to help

    others reach their full potential, we need

    to be discerning. As illustrated by Julien’s

    experience, we may have to look

    beyond a person’s weak spots to discern

    his fine qualities and skills that could be

    developed further. This is similar to the

    way Jesus viewed the apostle Peter. Although

    Peter at times appeared to be unsteady,

    Jesus predicted that he would become

    as stable as a rock.—John 1:42.

    Need to be discerning…look beyond weak spots….what is a weak spot then?

    Finally an NT example, Peter.

    “appeared to be unsteady” Remember than Jesus could read hearts and minds, not so humans

    13, 14. (a) How did Barnabas show discernment

    in the case of young Mark? (b) How did a

    young brother benefit from help such as Mark

    received? (See opening image.)

    13 Barnabas showed similar discernment

    in the case of John, who had

    the Roman surname Mark. (Acts 12:25)

    During Paul’s first missionary journey

    with Barnabas, Mark served as an “attendant,”

    perhaps caring for their physical needs.

    However, when they reached

    Pamphylia, Mark suddenly left his companions

    in the lurch. They had to travel

    without him north through an area notorious

    for bandits. (Acts 13:5, 13) Apparently,

    though, Barnabas saw past Mark’s

    inconsistent behavior and later seized

    the opportunity to complete his training.

    (Acts 15:37-39) This helped the young

    man to become a mature servant of Jehovah.

    Interestingly, Mark was in Rome

    with Paul, who was then imprisoned,

    and joined in sending greetings to the

    Christians in the Colossian congregation,

    and the apostle spoke favorably

    of him. (Col. 4:10) Imagine the feeling

    of satisfaction that Barnabas must have

    had when Paul even requested Mark’s

    assistance.—2 Tim. 4:11.

    Perhaps—why does the WTS have to add to the bible.

    OT example—Mark, Barnabas, Paul

    Another male though, no female examples?

    14 Alexandre, a newly appointed elder,

    recalls how he benefited from a

    brother’s insightful way: “When I was

    younger, saying a prayer in public was a

    real struggle for me. An elder showed me

    how to prepare myself and be more relaxed.

    Instead of not calling on me anymore,

    he gave me opportunities to pray

    regularly at meetings for field service. In

    time, I became more confident.”

    A present day example—jw, male, elder

    So how was he able to prepared to give a public prayer; the congregations I attended would tell the brother 60 seconds in advance

    15. How did Paul express appreciation for his

    brothers?

    15 When we notice a good quality in

    another Christian, do we express how

    much we value that fine trait? In Romans

    chapter 16, Paul gave recognition

    to more than 20 fellow believers for qualities

    that made them dear to his heart.

    (Rom. 16:3-7, 13) For example, Paul acknowledged

    that Andronicus and Junias

    had been serving Christ longer than he

    had, emphasizing their Christian endurance.

    Paul also spoke warmly of the

    mother of Rufus, perhaps alluding to her

    earlier loving care for him.

    Paul commended more than men and he named them…what was the name of Noah’s wife for example or the name of Peter’s wife?

    Perhaps alluding—bible addition?

    16. What may be the result of commendation

    given to a young one?

    16 There may be fine results when we

    give genuine commendation. Consider

    the case of Rico, a young boy in France,

    who was discouraged because his father,

    who did not share his beliefs, was opposed

    to Rico’s getting baptized. Rico

    thought that he would have to wait until

    he was of legal age to serve Jehovah fully.

    He was also sad that he faced ridicule

    at school. Frédéric, a congregation elder

    who was asked to study with the boy, relates:

    “I commended Rico because such

    opposition indicated that he had been

    courageous enough to express his faith.”

    These words of commendation strengthened

    Rico in his determination to remain

    exemplary and helped him to draw closer

    to his father. Rico got baptized when

    he was 12 years of age.

    Another male example, Rico. Wait until he was of legal age to get baptized? What about ex-jw fathers and non-jw fathers who are asked if their children can get baptized? Baptized at 12, is that legal age?

    17. (a) How can we help our brothers to make

    advancement? (b) A missionary took what personal

    interest in young brothers, and with what

    result?

    17 Each time we express appreciation

    for well-handled assignments or

    Frédéric (left) encouraged Rico to stay

    determined to serve Jehovah

    praiseworthy efforts, we give our fellow

    believers an incentive to serve Jehovah

    more fully. Sylvie, who has been serving

    at Bethel in France for years, commented

    that sisters can have a share in

    commending brothers. She noted that

    women may appreciate different details

    or efforts that they observe. Thus their

    “words of encouragement can complement

    what experienced brothers say.”

    She added: “To me, giving commendation

    is a duty.” (Prov. 3:27) Jérôme, a missionary

    in French Guiana, has helped

    many young men to qualify for missionary

    service. He says: “I have noticed that

    when I compliment young brothers on

    specific points in their ministry or for

    giving well-thought-out comments, they

    grow in confidence. As a result, they develop

    their abilities further.”

    Brothers make advancement—where are sisters in this article?

    Sylvie—finally a sister, serving at Bethel…oh she has to be commending brothers, where is her commendation

    Compliment young brothers…who compliments the women? How do they develop their abilities further?

    18. Why is working along with younger brothers beneficial?

    18 We can also stimulate fellow believers

    to make spiritual advancement

    Name has been changed.

    by working along with them. An elder

    might ask a young brother who is good

    at using computers to print some information

    from jw.org that could be encouraging

    for the elderly ones who do not

    have computers. Or if you are involved in

    doing work around the Kingdom Hall,

    why not invite a young brother to work

    along with you? Such initiatives will give

    you the opportunity to observe young

    ones and offer commendation and see

    the results.—Prov. 15:23.

    Stimulate fellow believers—only men, males, brothers

    Do you have to be good with computers to print off jw.org?

    Ask a young brother to work with you….who encourages the sisters?

    BUILD FOR THE FUTURE

    19, 20. Why should we help others to make progress?

    19 When Jehovah appointed Joshua to

    lead the Israelites, He also commanded

    Moses to “encourage” and “strengthen”

    Joshua. (Read Deuteronomy 3:28.) More

    and more people are joining with us in

    the worldwide congregation. All experienced

    Christians—not just elders—can

    help young brothers and new ones to

    achieve their full potential. Thus more

    and more will take up the full-time ministry,

    and more and more will be “qualified to teach others.”—2 Tim. 2:2.

    Help others—only men/brothers

    More people joining—mostly women which is why they must encourage and commend the few new men coming into the WT organization.

    20 Whether we belong to a well established

    congregation or to a small

    group that is progressing toward becoming

    a congregation, let us build for the

    future. A key is to imitate Jehovah, who

    always looks for the good in his servants.

    How many small groups are in the US. What is a well-established congregation?

    Looks for the good in his male servants.

    PICTURE:

    Jérôme (right) helped Ryan to qualify as a missionary

    (See paragraph 17)

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    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    I bet you thought this would be about looking for the potential of all in the congregation, just not males/men/brothers.

    When I left about 10 years ago, they were desperate for MS then. Maybe not in your immediate congregation, but no one had been baptized for 10 years except women. Male children of jws were leaving as soon as they reached 18. The elders/MS they had were getting older, senile, dying, or tired of the pressure and stepped down.

    It’s not much better. They reappointed 2 elders that were practicing alcoholics about 5 years ago. They are expert drinkers now but they “need” them. One brother, a proven wife abuser, was reappointed, still swatting his wife around, all his children out of the organization. One congregation appointed 2 brothers who cannot read hoping they would be motivated to try harder.

    While organized, loving, supportive, bible preachers and teachers are not used because they lack a certain physical characteristic.

    Love, Blondie

  • blondie
    blondie

    Wrong article, just a hi, no comment necessary

  • skin
    skin

    Thats ok blondie...hi

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    The sub-heading for paragraphs 9 through 11 was out of character for Jehovah's Witnesses: 'LOOK FOR THE GOOD IN OTHERS!'

    I can't think of another group who does less when it comes to 'Looking For The Good In Others' than the Watchtower's own Jehovah's Witnesses!

    Thank you Blondie. Nice to have you and your commentary on these Watchtarded articles back. I speak for many when I say.....'I really missed them!'

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Yay!! Good to see your comments again. Tell me, is this the simplified watchtower? It reads as of written for 9 year olds.

  • nonjwspouse
    nonjwspouse

    Thanks Blondie

    Julia, even the study WT reads as if written for 9 year olds IMO.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    We should define "progress" as it pertains to JWs. Only then can we truly understand what "full potential" means for JWs.

    DD

  • Reopened Mind
    Reopened Mind

    Blondie,

    Nice to see your comments again. They have helped me hone my reasoning skills.

    Reopened Mind

  • Ding
    Ding

    Full potential = give up every other opportunity so you can pioneer

    Full potential = hold a microphone

    Full potential = parrot back answers in WT literature

    Full potential = wait on Jehovah to straighten out his organization

    Full potential = think only GB approved thoughts

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    The WT writers are inept; consider this attempt at a balance:

    10 Who in particular may need our attention? Of course, all of us need special attention from time to time. Still, young

    or newly baptized brothers really need to sense that they are involved in the congregation’s activities. This will help them

    to understand that they do have a place among us. On the other hand, failure to give fitting recognition to such brothers

    may stifle their desire to reach out for more responsibilities, something that God’s Word encourages them to do.

    This paragraph is about one thing, brothers being and feeling involved, including praise and attention.

    The writers use 'still' and 'on the other hand', usually used to express opposite thoughts, about very similar things.

    Who writes this pablum?

    Where did they learn to write?

    Will they ever find a real writer?

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