Memorial vs. Satanic Ritual

by Sunspot 3 Replies latest jw friends

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  Sunspot

  I was posting a reply on the Oregonlive forum to a JW who is convinced that he is a Christian (weren't we all?);

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  The DUCK parallel
  Re: All evidence disagrees with your assertion (Jay Dub)
  Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:55:57 GMT
  From: Sunspot <unknown>

  1. JWs do not celebrate the birth of Christ, (who is commonly referred to as our Savior.)

  2. JWs do not celebrate Christ's resurrection, or experience the joy of that miracle. (He IS risen!)

  3. JWs DO "celebrate" the DEATH of Christ every year, by passing the bread and wine to congregation members, which ALL but a very small percentage are taught to REFUSE.

  BUT-------every JW firmly believes that he/she....IS.....A....CHRISTIAN!!!!!

  So, examining the evidence above, If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......it MAY just be one of Jehovah's Witnesses insisting that they be recognized as a Christian.

  (spiritual) food for thought set forth for "thinking" Jehovah's Witnesses.

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  I was thinking about point #3, and how I had seen a reference somewhere (here?) that Satan worshipers have a ritual on the same night as the "memorial", where bread and wine are passed and refused by the members.

  I don't remember if any proof was cited and I can't find the thread. I've spent hours searching through Google, etc, and can't find what I'd need to be able to present it as fact.

  I know it was the first time I'd ever heard it and meant to research it before now.

  I'd really appreciate any help on this.

  hugs,

  Annie
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  PopeOfEruke

  Do you refer to The Black Mass?

  Here is its description:

  There is no set Black Mass ritual, rather the ceremony is a parody on the holy Catholic Mass. One ritual is that it is performed in entirety, or in parts, backwards. The Mass may include inverting the cross, spitting and stepping on the cross, stabbing the host and other obscenities. Urine, supposedly, was at various times substituted for holy water, or for the wine. Sliced pieces of rotted turnips, black leather, or black triangles were substituted for communion bread. Black candles were used instead of white ones. A defrocked generally performed the Black Mass wearing vestments of black or a color of dried blood, and embroidered with inverted crosses, a goat's head (referring to Baphomet), or magical symbols.

  The magical significance of the Black Mass rests in the belief that the Holy Mass involves the miracle of the transubstantiation, that is, the magical or mystical changing of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ. If the priest can affect this miracle within the Holy Mass, then, it is reasoned, the priest, or magician, could effect similar magic in other masses for other, usually harmful, purposes. The Catholic Church condemned priests who attempted to subvert the Holy Mass for evil purposes, such as cursing a person to death, as early as the 7th century.

  Sounds like fun!

  The Pope
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  Sunspot

  Hi Greg,

  Thank you for replying!! One page I found gave more or less the same descriptions, so maybe there ISN'T any hard and fast info available as to specifics (for what I needed anyway) but compiling what you posted and what I found through searches, it pretty well all points in that direction (Memorial & Satanic Ritual parallels).

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  Here's a partial list of dates/rituals I found;

  Feb. 25 ~ ST. VALPURGIS DAY
  (Blood Ritual)
  Communion of blood and dismemberment

  Mar. 1 ~ ST. EICHATADT
  (Blood Ritual)
  Drinking of human blood for strength and homage to Satan

  Mar. 21 ~ SPRING EQUINOX (Sabbat Festival, Major Fertility Sabbath) ~ (date varies annually)
  (Orgy Ritual)
  Oral, anal, and vaginal

  Apr. 14 ~ GOOD FRIDAY (Death of Christ) ~ (date varies annually)
  (Blood Ritual)
  Human sacrifice

  Apr. 15 ~ EASTER EVE DAY (date varies annually)
  (Blood Ritual)
  Human sacrifice

  Apr. 21 ~ GRAND CLIMAX (thru Apr 30)
  (Sexual and Blood Rituals)
  Abduction, ceremonial preparation & holding of sacrificial victim for Walpurgisnacht
  Oral, anal, and vaginal, and human sacrifice

  Apr. 30 ~ WALPURGISNACHT
  (Blood Ritual)
  Animal and/or human sacrifice

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  Again thanks for your input (GOSH, I never talked to a POPE before, LOL! You sure could hide a LOT of neat stuff in that hat, huh??

  hugs,

  Annie

  Some days it isn't worth gnawing through the straps
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  Carmel

  Frankly,

  There are so many ways of identifying who is and who isn't "christian" it seems that anyone that says he/she is such, is indeed, one! Noone has the authority to exclude, regardless of how cultish a group is or how UUish! It has become self-defining and as such, the label has become meaningless!

  carmel who is a "christian" by a different definition