Reading Obituaries

by Norm 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • Norm
    Norm

    In a Norwegian local newspaper, a reader is being quite pissed off because some Jehovah's Witnesses “accidentally” showed up at her door just after her husband died.

    Apparently she is aware of such “coincidences” occurring before in the district to the extent that she don’t think it is a coincidence at all. Of course the local Jehovah's Witness “spokesman” denies any such “organized” effort on the part of Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not read Obituaries to collect names, he claims.

    So what do you have to say folks? I know there is a vast knowledge about Jehovah's Witness life out there. Here is what the Watchtower CD Rom has to say about it:

    *** w67 6/1 345 Letters-Not Outdated ***
    The minister soon found that, since she had made the original call, he had received a letter from a Witness who obtained his name and address from the obituary column in the newspaper. Though the man was a stranger to her, she had written a kind letter explaining the Bible’s glorious hope of a resurrection. The man concluded that surely he ought to look into an organization that would take the time to go from door to door and to write letters of comfort to people

    *** w56 11/15 688 Preaching by Writing Letters ***
    At one of the Society’s Bethel homes a brother, close to eighty years old, unable to climb stairs because of heart trouble, sends letters of comfort together with literature to those whose addresses appear in the obituary column because of having lost a loved one.

    *** km 1/70 8 Presenting the Good News-By Letter ***
    3 Many in the congregation know that this sister has had good success in witnessing by mail. So they give her names and addresses of individuals to whom they would like her to write. She writes to individuals that she and other publishers have met in the hospital. One brother met a businessman who lived in another part of the country. This man showed interest in the truth. So the brother gave his name and address to this sister, who continued to develop the interest by mail. Some names she gets from the obituary column.

    *** yb71 248 Country Reports (Part Two) ***
    Can elderly people participate in the ministry? Consider this example: A sister who is eighty-eight years of age could no longer go from house to house and manifested concern about how to share regularly in the service. It was suggested that she use the obituary column in the newspaper and write letters to bereaved families. This she did.

    Some times one wonders if it is at all possible for Watchtower “spokesmen” to open their mouth without uttering a lie. But of course, that’s the only way to keep the “truth” true, by lying through your teeth. After all the “truth” is worth lying for, isn’t it?

    As some of you know the Watchtower Society has even made a special brochure to recruit grieving people which can be preyed upon at their most vulnerable moments.
    What better time to introduce them to the sick realms of la-la land, with the Watchtower brand of insane superstition.

    *** km 7/96 4 Imitate Jehovah by Genuinely Caring for Others ***
    4 Here is an approach that might be used in offering the brochure “When Someone You Love Dies.” Show its cover and say:
    “Today we are sharing this brochure that has brought comfort and hope to millions of people who have lost loved ones in death. Have you ever wondered what hope there is for the dead? [Allow for response.] The Bible clearly states God’s promise of a resurrection.” Read John 5:28, 29. Open the brochure and comment on the points made in the last paragraph on page 28 and the first paragraph on page 31. Show the accompanying illustrations. Offer the brochure. You can prepare the way for a return visit by asking, “How can we be sure that eventually death will be completely eliminated?”
    5 Where you placed the brochure “When Someone You Love Dies,” you may want to use this presentation on the return visit:
    “When we spoke before, we discussed the wonderful hope of a resurrection. The brochure I left you explains why we can be sure that eventually death will be completely eliminated. Did you not find God’s promises comforting and reassuring?” Allow for response. Then turn to page 31 in the brochure, and read the second and third paragraphs, along with Revelation 21:1-4. Highlight the prospect we have of enjoying life without ever dying. Depending on the interest shown and the circumstances at the moment, you may offer a Bible study in the Knowledge book or ask another question to open the way for the next return visit.

    As you can see it doesn’t seem to be such an unknown phenomenon as the Watchtower “spokesman” will have the public believe. What is your take?

    Norm.

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    Norm,

    If the Tower's leadership didn't lie, I don't think they would have much to say. The idea that the Tower offers help and concern to people grieving lost loved ones is nothing more than another Watchtower lie. As I stated on another thread on this forum:

    On the topic of death and grieving, I think the Tower does a disservice to JWs. Witnesses are discouraged from showing genuine grief because it supposably means they don't fully believe the resurrection concept. What a crock! On top of that, the Tower keeps followers in a constant stage of Oz with their "living forever" baloney no JW (or anyone else) will ever experience. Adding insult to injury, the JW funeral is nothing more than a poorly done info-mercial for the Watchtower. The normal grieving process is denied to the sales force of a publishing firm--now that's crazy!

    --JAVA
    ...counting time at the Coffee Shop

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    I hate to take up for the witnesses.

    No, I mean really, I hate to take up for the witnesses. But, I remember thinking, back when I was a believer, that I ought to contact people when I read about them losing a loved one in death. After all, we had the tonic of hope for that particular condition, did we not? It only seemed logical and loving to share it.

    The sad thing is, if I had done so (and I never really did, other than a couple of friends who I worked with), I would have then thought them "goat like" or at least arrogant and intransient if they had rejected my "help".

    So why didn't I? I often ask myself why I was so uncomfortable "witnessing". I'm now convinced it was not just my natural shyness, but rather that, while I truly "believed", I knew I did not have a reasonable, logical basis for my beliefs. I knew I could not really explain why 1914 was the pivotal date, why the F&DS was really the F&DS, etc, etc.

    Back then, I always attributed my lack of depth in understanding my beliefs to not doing the work of research (one more reason to feel guilt eh?). Now I've done the research (maybe I was afraid of what I might find?), and I know that there is no basis for most of the beliefs that witnesses hold sacred.

  • patio34
    patio34

    Six,

    Your post touched a response in me. You always feel as if you have to 'witness' to everyone, and you feel guilt if you don't. It's an 24-7 thing, never leaving you alone. And I liked what Java said about it being the 'sales force of a publishing firm.'

    Another irritant that has become apparent since leaving the sales force is that of the jdub having to have control of the conversation--even butting in and constantly leading it.

    My very active jw son says his father couldn't talk about anything meaningful or deep. Well, now it is clear why! You can't bring up anything to a jw without them taking over and launching a preaching Adam to Armageddon. I find myself doing the selfsame thing. Well unless I bring out all MY literature on jws history and mythology and evolution and science, etc. Ha, ha.

    I think I just answered my own gripe!

    Patio

  • mommy
    mommy

    Patio I am LOL thank you

    I was one of those that preyed on the obituary page. But I too did it as a service to those that lost loved ones. Giving them the hope of seeing them again in paradise. Of course I didn't realize at the time I was actually forever breaking the ties by witnessing to them, like dangling the carrot, and as soon as the see this carrot and don't eat it they won't see their loved ones. I never went to someones home, but I did mail letters. I had a close friend of mine who had a child with disabilities and we often did telephone servie and letter writing to those in highrises or security condos.

    But, in my career I have witnessed death and grieving family members, and can honestly say there is nothing you can say that will help them with their grief. It is for each individual to deal with on their own. Yes they remember the efforts of you attempting to help. But that is all it really is an attempt to ease the pain, no answers to the questions they ask or have unanswered concerning the death.
    wedy

  • Jang
    Jang

    Norm, that is how I was recruited.

    They knocked on my door a couple of weeks after my daughter's funeral
    and were so loving and concerned about how I was coping with it all etc etc
    that they took the time to sit and talk to me and encourage me. The year was
    1968! Oh how wonderful it was to hear that the end would come soon and I
    would have my little girl back again!

    So, when it became my turn to prey on the grieved I did it with gusto because I
    wanted people to be as excited about seeign their loved ones again as I was.

    Then came 1975 and POOF!

    The dream ended! Reality set in.

    JanG

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Aaaaawwwwwwwww, (((((JanG)))))!

    I'm sorry you got roped in, and I'm sorry about the loss of your little girl.

    I lost my nephew when he was only 2 and my sister was never the same afterwards. This was in '73 and she and I had both been studying with the Witnesses that year. I must say that the resurrection hope was a great comfort to us. I met my husband-to-be in '74 and chose him over Jehovah at the time. So I missed the disappointment of '75.
    When I joined up 15 years later, my sister tried to tell me that it was just a place where earnest people followed imperfect men, I didn't want to hear it! Now she's dead these past 7 years and doesn't know that I'm finally,

    outnfree
    (sigh!)

  • TR
    TR

    Norm,

    I did it myself once upon a time.

    A few years back, a newspaper carrier was murdered on his route. I got the name and address of his grieving widow and child, and sent them a WTS publication. Then I found out the "sister" I worked with,(the same one I mentioned on a different thread that stole my phone number from confidential files) did the same thing. I wonder how many WTS rags this poor woman got.

    TR

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    Hey Norm,

    You have a nice Web site (Watchtower Inside), and I notice it has been added to Netscape's Open Directory search engine. The URL is: http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/J/

    --JAVA
    ...counting time at the Coffee Shop

  • Norm
    Norm

    Thanks Java and Riz,

    After having neglected my web page for many years I am now working on a little "face lift" for it and at least try to repear the boken links and such. I will probably also put out some new material on it in time.

    Norm

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