Suicidal fear of rejection.

by seven006 47 Replies latest jw friends

  • seven006
    seven006

    The fear of rejection has once again controlled my life and my actions in an unintentional act of self destruction brought on by how I was raised to view life. I have come to the conclusion that I will probably be battling this psychological whirlpool of self sabotage for the rest of my life and I do not think I have the ability to completely eliminate it. Talking about it here is a start. I have to beat this thing before it kills me like a cancer. If it only affected me I wouldn't worry about it, but it has effected some very good people that have come in and out of my life.

    When it gets to this point the thoughts of blowing my brains out becomes very strong. The only thought that has kept me from pulling that trigger is the thought of my three sons and what killing myself would do to them. I have had the gun in my hand three times in my life because of those thoughts. I have had the gun to my head with the hammer pulled back once. I don't think I would ever kill myself, I'm not that crazy, but, the thoughts about ending it all comes and goes as situations in my life show me that I am so tired of living, loosing, and trying to catch up to the rest of the human race. Sometimes you just get tired of fighting yourself along with everyone else. I have always been extremely strong in my thoughts and convictions and have taken on and beaten more bullshit in my life than most people could ever handle.

    This is not anything close to what some poor slob in a third world country has to deal with just trying to fill his belly every day. Thinking about this as a major problem compared to the other problems in the world makes me want to take myself into a room and slap the hell out of myself. Trying to minimize it and put it into perspective does not lesson the pain and anguish this has caused me over the years. It is my empty food bowl and my fatal disease.

    I have tried to piece together the puzzle that lead me to this reoccurring psychological dilemma and have come up with some reasonable conclusions that some of you might identify with. For those who have read my posts over the past year or so you know that I am not one who posts problems that I am having in my life. I have been more the kind of person who tries to help others with their problems as I bury mine deeper and deeper inside of me. I am not asking for help here. I rarely ask anyone for any kind of help and try to recognize my own problems and deal with them myself. When someone tries to help or offer a sympathetic shoulder to lean on it only makes things worse for me and I tend to run away again.

    I am writing this to share my thoughts and feelings with all of you not only try to help myself accept this problem and deal with it better but also to see if others on this board may experience this same problem and possibly recognize it for what it is and see where it has caused problems in their own life. If anyone has had this problem and beaten it I would like to know how you did it. If your answer is god or another controlling mythical manipulative religious line of bullshit please kept that one to yourself. It won't help! It is that kind of thing that got me into this hellish situation in life in the first place.

    I have spent two and a half years alone not wanting to be in a relationship and rejecting all women who I felt were showing some interest in me. I just wanted to be alone and avoid anything that would lead to something that would end up having me blindly stare at the walls for several months after it was all over. I spent this two and a half years alone to see if I could figure out why I can never keep a good relationship and why I keep destroying something I now have to force myself to admit I need. I have read the books and I have known how they say to fix it in others but I can't seem to fix myself. I guess it took this last failed relationship to pull my thoughts all together and make me see the problem as the monster it really is.

    Here are my thoughts on why I have this fear and why I have seen this in so many of us in this little group of rejected human beings. Sometimes I think we are more than just exJW's. We are rejected humans. Rejected from having a chance to live a normal life with normal thoughts and normal reactions to some of life's simple problems.

    I think I first developed this fear by being forced to go door to door as a young child. As most of us know we would get up on Saturday mornings and face the world with our little book bag filled with Watchtower literature. We have had doors slammed in our faces, people threaten to get guns the next time we showed up and have had people's dogs sent out to scare us away. Every Saturday rejection after rejection after rejection. People yelling, screaming, threatening, and scaring the shit out of little kids that should be home playing or watching Saturday morning cartoons. Simply walking up to someone's door brought a devastating fear of the unknown to me, a little kid who only wanted to have everybody like him as most kids do was forced to have people reject him and slam their door in his face every god dammed weekend. To speak up and express your thoughts about how much you hated doing this to your parents would mean a lecture about dying at Armageddon and having god make the birds eat the eyes out of your cold dead little body. We not only heard these words but saw them graphically depicted in the big orange Paradise book designed to teach us kids about gods love disguised as fear and vengeance.

    My next devastating jolt of rejection came when I was five years old and my dad moved out of our house and divorced my mom. He would not become a JW and he left us. He not only rejected the religion but my mom, my two little sisters, my brother and me. I rarely saw my dad as a young child. Every kid needs his dad. All I understood at that age is he didn't want me.

    As I grew up the feeling of rejection was added to by the feeling of not fitting in. We were not allowed to stay in school for holiday parties like the rest of our class mates. We were forced to identify ourselves as different and defiant to our own countries by standing with the rest of our class mates at the pledge of allegiance to the flag with our little arms straight at our sides and our little mouths silent. We were looked at as weird and different and even sometimes as communist or little kids who hated their country. The first few minutes of every day in class from grades one through six was a reminder that we were not the same as everyone else. We were not invited to parties or any other activities that all the other kids took for granted. We were force to REJECT OURSELVES from society.

    This form of self rejection and denial of what we really wanted and needed in our lives to try and be normal continued on through our entire youth. Be different, reject what is bad according the whims of twelve senile old men in New York and you will live forever. If you do not practice self rejection you will die. It was a simple cut and dried black and white life. Reject your true self and you will please your parents and your only friends and god. Do not reject the joys and pleasures in life and god will reject you and you will die and never see your mom and dad again.

    As I grew older and got married to my JW wife a new form of rejection was introduced to me. As with many JW girls her mother told her about the evils of sex and how men only wanted to have their bodies. It was evil, a sin and something disgusting to them their whole lives. Then in a twist of the absurd the JW's encourage young teenagers who know nothing about real life or how to truly identify love get married so as not to sin by having normal sexual desires. They expect that what they have taught their young women their whole lives to be turned off, could be turned on as if it was as simple as flipping a light switch. When my now ex-wife and I got marred she hated sex. She was afraid of it and could not gain any kind of real sexual desire. Years of brainwashing had taken a hold of her and both her and I had to pay for it. She would not let me touch her and only on rare occasions did we have sex. To her it was like I was raping her. I became like the devil in her eyes and she felt the only thing I wanted from her was to take control of her body. We fought this for six and a half very horrible years. To add to that I was taught that I was the head of the household and what I said was the law. When I demanded sex it only made her fight me more and grow father apart. I spent my sexual prime getting rejected night after night after night. After six and a half years of that kind of rejection I lost all sense of any kind of romance or real love for a mate.

    My ex-wife and I got a divorce when I was 27 years old. I left her, my kids, my religion, my mom and step dad, my brothers and sisters the only group of friends I was allowed to have on one hot summer day in 1984. I had simply reached a breaking point and had to make a decision to honestly see the lies and phony feeling of love and twisted logic I was raised with. After a life of rejecting my own personal honesty and thoughts the JW's had to show me their version of love one last time. The rejected me from life in their fucking twisted sense of justice by disfellowshipping me from my own family. I have seen my mom three times in 19 years and that is what they call love. I can't even say I love my mom anymore. I no longer know who she is and she definitely dose not know me.

    For the past 19 years that impulsive reaction to reject has never left me. I have had so many short relationships with women I can't even count them or remember them all. It was always their fault. They had problems that I couldn't deal with so I rejected them. Some of them saw problems in me so they rejected me. If they didn't do or say what I needed to have or hear I took that as a rejection and I ended it. I could not see that a big part of the problem was this fear of rejection. I see it now. I have lived a simple cut and dried, black and white life and it is killing me. I reject what I love before it rejects me.

    I thought I was over all this JW shit. I have never realized how much control it still had over me. It's not even the religious doctrine or warped sense of god that effects me, I have realized that for what it was a long time ago. It is the feeling of rejection that I have not been able to shake. The absolute need to walk away before I have to suffer another devastating rejection. It is the running from that door before the person has a chance to answer it and tell me to get lost or they are not interested. It is not being able to stand at that door and feel that something good may behind it instead of something that was going to reject me. I learned how to reject and feel rejected at a very young age and it has stuck with me. It is a part of my life that has been learned from childhood and it is devastating. It is as hard to get out of my head as it would be to try and forget the language I learned to speak as a child.

    Last summer I hooked up with a woman whom I have known for several years but had not seen in over a year. As much as I tried to fight it and explain to her I did not want or need a woman in my life but just wanted to be alone my desire to be with her was too strong. She kept inviting me over to hang out with her and her mom, it was hard for me to say no any longer. I would go weeks between seeing her because I know how I felt about her and she just wanted to be friends. She is an incredible human being and I think I have loved her since the day I met her so many years ago. It eventually got to the point that I wanted to try once again to have a woman in my life, not any woman, but just this particular one. After talking her into trying to have something more than just a friendship it only took a couple of months before I destroyed it. My fear of rejection has turned into as she says, "a self fulfilling prophecy."

    When she showed the slightest inclination of not being sure about us I ran out the door and bolted it behind me. In the past few months I did not do this just once but at least four times to her. She kept wanting to see me, I kept running away. She has only a hand full of her own problems and she is trying to work them out. I saw her very few problems and insecurities as a rejection of me and instead of what they really were and I ran one last time. I made her think the problem was with her and I could not see that it was with me. I amplified what I thought she was saying into a clear and absolute rejection. I'm tired of fucking up like this. I scared her. I scared myself. I not only may have lost her for good as a friend, I lost her mom who was better to me in those few short months than my mom has been to me for almost twenty years. I know if I tried to work it out again, I would only screw it again. Normal people can only take so much of us and they give up.

    What might have been the best thing that has happened to me in my life I once again rejected it before I gave it a chance to find out what it could be. The thought of it eventually ending like every other relationship I have had was too much to deal with so I cut it off before that might happen. I was more concerned with what might not happen then I was about what might. I was more afraid of how I will feel for several months after it ended than I was about how I would feel if it worked out. I never really gave it a good chance to bulid. I wanted it all now, I wanted to know if it was going to work right now. My fear of rejection destroyed it. My fear of rejection is one of the only fears in my life. I have wrestled most of the demons in my life and have won. I am one strong and fairly well adjusted human being. But, this one thing, this thing that I refuse to admit means so much to me I keep running away from.

    The only thing I can do is write about it on this board. The writing helps me see it and may eventually help me beat it down. I have not posted in quite a while. I do not talk about my problems here. This time, I had no other choice. I had no where else to turn. This is my therapy. This is the place that has the only people on the planet who may understand my battel with rejection. No one can solve this for me, I have to do this myself or it won't stick. No one can change what is done, all you can do is understand. Sometimes understanding is all we have left. I can now admit I have this problem. I can now see how it has effected my life. I want it to end.

    The next time the JW's come to your door if a little boy or little girl is with them, please try and be kind.

    If it is just two adults tell them to fuck off!

    Dave

    "The only enemy I have is the one who does not listen to the voice inside of me"
    -Dave Malone

  • lauralisa
    lauralisa

    Dave....

    I read every word of what you wrote. You are very brave underneath all of that fear. You are half-way there (wherever "there" is) because of your bravery and I suspect there is more than a bit of hope in your heart ... this is a good thing...

    Wish I could help or say something that didn't sound vapid. I have fought a long time with this same type of fear. It took a million risks - ie letting myself be vulnerable to another person - and time.... little by little, experiencing love (not necessarily erotic love) healed up my fucked up brain patterns. I guess this risk-taking thing will take the rest of my days, even so.

    Hope it stops feeling like total crap soon for you. You have my admiration and safe regard, not that such a thing amounts to anything, but I'm sayin it anyway.

    laura

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    Tell her, I believe she will understand. I understand. I feel the same way at times. I fear rejection, therfore I tell myself I will never date again. If it wasn't for Mattie, I most likely wouldn't. She set me up with a date for my birthday. Let's just hope I don't chicken out.

    Seven, if you only knew just how worth it you really are. Please tell her how you feel.

  • pettygrudger
    pettygrudger

    You've hit the nail on the head w/this Seven -

    On top of that, the rejection works both ways - we get rejected & we reject. We reject any "normal" relationships that are with "worldly" because they are wrong. We are taught to stunt our affections because they are wrong and not based on what God wants.

    The JW's conditional love is what us born & bred were taught - its what we lived. Our natural affections were not "normal". I never "loved" my non-JW father - he was "worldly" and Satan was using him to pull us away from the truth. It wasn't until we were adults that we realized how unconditional his love for us was, and were able to love in return.

    My non-JW family - never knew them to love them, after leaving the JW's. My own mother - who I used to be close to - have spoken to her every once in awhile since leaving 16 years ago - but much like you - the "love" is gone. She doesn't know me, doesn't respect me and thinks I'm killing myself & her grandchildren who she knows very little of as well.

    And then we wonder why we "don't fit in".

    There are no easy answers - and you seem to have alot of them. Alot of us are in the same boat, and take much from your post - believe me!

    Thank you for sharing this - it meant alot to me - a keeper for sure.

    editted to add" I think your "friend" should get a copy of this - I think she'd like to know.

    Edited by - pettygrudger on 4 December 2002 17:38:2

  • Mum
    Mum

    Dave,

    For what it's worth, you're one of my favorite posters on this board. Your wicked sense of humor and incisive comments leave me nearly breathless. Add to that your haunting beauty, and I'm swooning!

    I have never quite reached the point of picking up a weapon, but I totally relate to your despair. Fortunately for me, I had a pre-dub life with loving grandparents who actually gave me a positive experience of Christianity. Then I got sucked in by the Cult as a teenager when I was no longer living with my grandparents. I got sucked in because of rejection by my own family. Being love bombed was far preferable to being screamed at, beaten with a belt, a shoe, a golf club or whatever else was handy while being cursed at, screamed at and generally being made to feel like my existence was some huge cosmic error.

    I have made great progress because of self-help books and a little help from my friends. I am still perceived by others as someone who is easy to get over on, but I'm still making progress.

    You have helped so many here, Dave. We want to help you, but feel pretty helpless right now.

    Before you do anything, you can call me -- collect. I'll e-mail you my phone number. It would be a privilege to actually speak to you in person.

    Best regards,

    SandraC

  • beckyboop
    beckyboop

    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((DAVE))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    I am so sorry that you are having a rough time! Although I don't know you, I can certainly empathize with what you're feeling. It's very difficult at times to separate the jw bullshit from our present reality--no matter how many years have passed. I hope you can find the strength to try try again--hopefully with the woman you were speaking of--she sounds very special to you.

    Life is only what we make it, and we have to put our hearts on the line in order to take a chance on love. I guess I finally decided somewhere down the line that it's worth the risk--because you never know unless you try. Besides, you can't ever give out too much love--even if it's not returned. Good luck and best wishes with your decisions. I hope you figure out what you need and find it soon.

    Becky

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Oh My God. Dave this story you wrote could very well be about me. It is almost word for word what I felt and lived through. With only a few minor changes.

    I don't presume to have any answers for you. I finally was able to overcome this rejection fear you mention. Not entirely but enough to function somewhat normal.

    The only things I did that you did not mention are these. I stayed single for 6 yrs and determined that I would learn to function alone before considering a mate. I am not sure how long you have been a single man so this may not be a difference in our lives.

    I developed the attitude that if any friends or relatives activly shunned me that I would and did contact them and told them that they were never to try to contact me again in any situation. I did this to deal with the fear of rejection by stopping this rejection from reoccuring every time I would bump into them. I did not appease or grovel for anyone. I did not pretend to not see their actions. I acted in a way to forbid their shunning.

    This gave me a feeling of control of my life and lessoned the times where I might feel rejected.

    I in effect said my good bye to those people as if they had died. I noticed that when a relative that had shunned me died, I had very little feeling of grief or loss. I had done my grieving.

    Those that did not shun me, when they died, I did feel the full sense of loss and grief .

    I had to force myself to make friends "in the world to use a jw phrase" and I observed them and went against all my inner thoughts and feelings and forced myself to interact with and be friends with them.

    I have worked on this for 12 yrs and still have a long ways to go.But I was able to find a very worldly wise mate. One who knew how things worked and was not hung up on religion although she is very spiritual.

    I still fear rejection but now I can accept it and not give up.

    I don't mean to preach to you or suggest that this is an answer or even any help to you. But I felt obliged to respond to your post in some way due to the similarity of our lives.

    I would suggest that you do post here your feelings and fears and let others see this and possibly there will be little nugets of help from this forum.

    I really hate it when I respond to a post and end up crying to myself.

    Outoftheorg

  • Lost Diamond
    Lost Diamond

    ((((((DAVE)))))))

    All the time we talked...I had absolutley no idea! I feel as though I have failed you as a friend! I just can't express the pain I'm feeling for you right now....

    You have always listened to me when I have needed somebody to hear me out, and you never once gave me any inclination of your own pain. I'm so sorry I didn't pick up on that, and I didn't realize what a demon you are fighting.

    I don't have the answers for you, but I do want to have a listening ear. Like you said, sometimes that seems to help...just getting it out of your system. This posts is your first step to admitting your feelings about rejection, and I hope it brings you some comfort. Hun, I am your friend and there is no need to feel rejection from me, as I expect very little.

    (((((BIG HUGS)))))

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Dave,

    I don't have any trite advice to give you. I relate to what you're going through. I too have been utterly unsuccessful with the opposite sex in my life, and I know how it wears on you. Like you, I expect rejection and failure. I have contemplated suicide also. I feel the pain every time I see a happy couple together. For so many people it seems to come so easy, and yet for people like you and I love is an ever-elusive mystery.

    As far as comparing your situation to that of a starving third world person, don't shame yourself like that. A full belly is not happiness, and living in the U.S. presents plenty of problems, challenges, and burdens. Loneliness being a big one. I don't think that people living in the third world know the loneliness and existential void that many of us living in the more affluent nations experience.

    Life is difficult.

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    I can relate to what you are saying about rejection. Growing up JW, I always felt like an outsider to the real world, and tried so hard to make other like me. It was hard to keep up with trying so hard because I had to do so much to keep friends and explain to them why I couldnt spend the nite , go to movies with them or anything. It was worth the effort thou, but to this day, I hate for anyone not to like me, I try so hard because I fear rejection.

    My dad has rejected me out right with no chance of change since I d/a myself a few months ago.He stopped speaking to me a year ago. I dont know where he lives or even if he is alive at this moment. I am sure someone would let me know , but you get my point.

    He started rejecting me since I was a child , if I did anything to displease him, he cut his affection off from me for days, and it hurt worse than the beating that preceded this emotional abuse.
    After my mom committed suicide he slowly began to cut me out of his life too. It took me 18 yrs to get the point that he doesnt love me or want a reminder of his former life with my mom , my sister or me. I gave and gave , humbled myself to him, took his token love as if it were gold, only to be left empty by him. Well this last year , I decided to give my love and attention to myself and to love my family here in this house with all my heart. That has helped me to get rid of some of the pain I still feel over my dad.

    It took me many years to get over my mom's suicide, I felt she didnt love me enough to stay around. I was only 18 and I needed her so much. I wondered what I did for her not to care enough to stay and love me. I so wanted to help her make it thru her depression and drug abuse. Growing up with a mother addicted to pain pills was terrible. She stood in my face and told us all, that she loved her pills more than us, and specifically targeted me , the oldest child to attack for confronting her about the drugs. I felt she hated me too.

    I swear Seven, I know what you mean, we are brought up in a cult, have screwed up parents and then wonder why the hell, we have problems. Well all I can say , is we can try to do the best we can , live a good life, but we will never,,,,,,,,NEVER...... get over the abuse we went thru being in a home like that or a cult like JW. We just have to give ourselves a little slack for feeling so unloved and rejected. I just wanted to say, I agree with alot you have said, and have said the same things to myself. Just the point you made about not being happy, then thinking about someone eles starving, how it makes you feel like slapping yourself. When we are the ones who carry the load on our own backs for so long, because of others, in my case my parents, we forget it is ok for us to be the ones who need a damn break. I too feel sorry for ones who are starving, but it really doesnt make my pain any less, just makes me feel worse for them. It just compounds the depressing state this whole world is in and that can make you feel hopeless.

    I hope you do find a way to love yourself and give yourself permission to feel like crap if you feel like crap. Your sons would rather have you going thru life with ups and downs, than to not have you at all. Lean on them and let them lean on you. Sometimes it is hard to admit we can't carry the weight of the world on our shoulders all alone. I hope that I havent said anything to piss you off, for that is not my intention at all. I just hate to see others suffering and wish you happines.........Dede

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