Societal Stockholm Syndrome

by waiting 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hey y'all, http://web2.airmail.net/ktrig246/out_of_cave/sss.html

    Societal Stockholm Syndrome

    The term, Stockholm Syndrome, was coined in the early 70's to describe the puzzling reactions of four bank employees to their captor. On August 23, 1973, three women and one man were taken hostage in one of the largest banks in Stockholm. They were held for six days by two ex-convicts who threatened their lives but also showed them kindness. To the world's surprise, all of the hostages strongly resisted the government's efforts to rescue them and were quite eager to defend their captors. Indeed, several months after the hostages were saved by the police, they still had warm feelings for the men who threatened their lives. Two of the women eventually got engaged to the captors. The Stockholm incident compelled journalists and social scientists to research whether the emotional bonding between captors and captives was a "freak" incident or a common occurrence in oppressive situations. They discovered that it's such a common phenomenon that it deserves a name. Thus the label, Stockholm Syndrome, was born. It has happened to concentration camp prisoners, cult members, civilians in Chinese Communist prisons, pimp-procured prostitutes, incest victims, physically and/or emotionally abused children, battered women, prisoners of war, victims of hijackings, and of course, hostages. Virtually anyone can get Stockholm Syndrome it the following conditions are met: Perceived threat to survival and the belief that one's captor is willing to act on that threat The captive's perception of small kindnesses from the captor within a context of terror Isolation from perspectives other than those of the captor Perceived inability to escape.

    Stockholm Syndrome is a survival mechanism. The men and women who get it are not lunatics. They are fighting for their lives. They deserve compassion, not ridicule. Psychologist Dee Graham has theorized that Stockholm Syndrome occurs on a societal level. Since our culture is patriarchal, she believes that all women suffer from it--to widely varying degrees, of course. She has expanded on her theories in Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, and Women's Lives, which is well worth reading. While Graham's book can get quite harsh, it does end on a hopeful note: The most reliable way to deal with Socketal Stockholm Syndrome is to develop strong friendships and political alliances with feminist women. Graham's theory is controversial and it tends to put many women on the defensive. Still, I think it's a much more convincing explanation of women's "self-destructive" behavior than such theories as "masochism" and "codependency". I also know from personal experience that Graham is "right on" with her view that feminist activism is the best way to deal with Societal Stockholm Syndrome. In college, my feminist friends saved me from some emotionally abusive romantic relationships. In discussing why many women like John Gray's books, I think we should take Graham's theory seriously. As I read Loving to Survive, I thought of all the women who lambasted Susan Hamson < http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/women_rebuttal_from_uranus/>; for criticizing John Gray. It reminded me of the Stockholm captives who resisted the police and protected their captors. I also thought of Oprah Winfrey, who understandably wants a soul mate but gets ridiculed for that desire because she's "too successful and too independent". The lack of social support undoubtedly has had an isolating effect, especially considering the groundless rumors a few years ago about her "lesbianism". While I cringe at her support of John Gray, I must admit that he's never ridiculed her for wanting a "great guy". Gray's anatomy plays very well into Societal Stockholm Syndrome, as it manipulates women's fear of being alone but also shows "compassion" for their problems. "Dr" Gray did say, "Men are notorious for giving less in relationships" (MMWV, p. 191). But he never told them how to really give more. Graham's Societal Stockholm Syndrome Theory probably can't be "proven", but neither can most other psychological theories. Nonetheless, I think Graham's ideas are invaluable resources for anyone who wants to build alternatives to Mars&Venus.

  • larc
    larc

    Waiting,

    Since you have given this considerable thought, read widely on the subject, have had strong women who have helped you, and have had a lifetime of living, what is your personal advice as to how the relationships between men and woman can be improved?

  • waiting
    waiting

    Well, larc,

    Do I sense sarcasm? I've never read much of "Dr." Grey, nor his ex-wife's works - much the same, even though they're divorced.

    I do think the subject of identifying with one's captors, even making friends with them, protecting them, has much truth to it. No matter whether some women, abused people in general, abused children, even animals react the same in a lot of these situations.

    what is your personal advice as to how the relationships between men and woman can be improved?

    You should listen to ZaZu more, for starters. She should slap you more, for seconds. For thirds, she should run away with Java. Yup, pretty much covers my advice!

    waiting

    An oddity - and is treated as a theory, but very interesting nonetheless.

  • larc
    larc

    Waiting,

    No, I wasn't being sarcastic.

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    Waiting:

    For thirds, she should run away with Java.

    That sounds like an interesting plan, but I'm not sure how to talk my spouse into going along with it. Of course there is always Mormonism . . . I'm afraid ZaZu wouldn't buy into the idea of running off with me; she already knows what I look like, and I'm so poor I can't pay attention!

    Getting back to larc's question, I'm fairly sure he was serious when asking about personal thoughts on improving gender relationships in light of the comments on the Stockholm Syndrome. My spouse teaches a course called, "Gender, and Families" 1 or 2 times a year to upper-level college students. It's an interesting field of study going way beyond the "Men are from Mars & Women are from Venus" self-help books. Larc has a Ph.D in a field of study that examines topics of this nature, I'm sure his tongue was not firmly planted in his cheek--at least this time.

    JAVA, counting time at the Coffee Shop

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hey Dr. Larc and Java,

    Larc has a Ph.D in a field of study that examines topics of this nature, I'm sure his tongue was not firmly planted in his cheek--at least this time.

    Well, damn, didn't know I was in such fine company! Would have worn shoes.

    Sarcasm aside, I really don't get into Dr. Grey nor his ex-wife's insights into the world of relationships. Not that they're inaccurate, just not that interested. I think they're into selling books and CD's more than anything else. I think a lot of sellable items are geared at women's insecurities, whether true or imagined.

    A.Since you have given this considerable thought, B.read widely on the subject, C.have had strong women who have helped you, D.and have had a lifetime of living,E. what is your personal advice as to how the relationships between men and woman can be improved? - larc (bold letters added)

    A. I haven't given the men/women thing that much thought - more thought given to the roll of the abuser/abused - particularily in children. However, over the years, I've tried to understand my mother's covering for my father's abuse, and also the reasons why a woman will stay with a man who abuses her and her children. Interesting subject, however, most people don't care for the ramifications it suggests for "mothers."

    B. Obviously, not as widely as the Doctor. But for a lay person, I think I have a pretty good grasp as to how it feels to have a form of Stockholm Syndrome, as a child, and as an adult JW, and a woman. Thankfully, my current marriage of 20 years is not dependent upon having an authority figure.

    C. Interestingly enough, the main woman I patterned after is my Aunt Marion, (two MS - retired and senile) who happens to be an adament gay, until senility started setting in and she came to the gripes of meeting her Catholic God soon. Now she's straight, go figure.

    On an interesting note, one of my strong woman therapists called to my attention that I only identify with my mom in negative aspects of my personality/actions. Doesn't say much for my opinion of the woman, now does it?

    D. Yup.

    E. Haven't a clue. I just survive and thankful that I have my husband. When we're not mad at each other - it's pretty good. He's a remarkable person. The old "quiet Harley man" type. My therapist said that women like me tend to marry either saints or sinners. My first was a sinner - the second puts up with me, and still likes me. I would never be dumb enough to call the fool a saint though.

    Zazu and you must have a quite uncommon marriage also, larc. She still seems to like you......

    waiting

  • larc
    larc

    Waiting,

    I wrote this long, thoughtful post. When I went enter it, I got the message that showed that I had made a mistake when I entered my password, so I lost the whole thing. I'm too tired to try to recreate it, so I'm just going to say this:

    Tell your husband that he is remarkable and that he is a saint. All people, men and women alike, need more praise and recognition than they get.

  • larc
    larc

    Waiting,

    One other thing. When you tell him how much he means to you, don't give him a "left handed compliment". That's where you give and take away at the same time. My father used to do this to my mother. I remember one time at dinner, he said to my mother, "This meal is a lot better than you usualy make it." Funny, yes, but also hateful. In close personal relationships, sarcasm should be used very spairingly, if at all.

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hey larc,

    I know what you mean about the lost posts. It still happens to me sometimes. If I think first, which isn't always, I'll use wordpad or use the message thing in here - then backup to wordpad before actually hitting the posting key. Simon might blush if he knew the amount of profanity that's directed at that particular screen, btw - he taught me the wordpad thing.

    I know what you mean about backhanded compliments. My husband's a master of such also. "The dinner's pretty good tonight - didn't make me sick." But the compliment isn't made to be funny - his version of Truth. My first husband was a louse, but he gave compliments, to all his women. My father, on the average side, made us ask to leave the dinner table, and always say thank you to my mother for making our dinner. In themselves, these are good things - the persons behind them were dispicable - but those particular thoughts were good.

    Guess it's finding a medium ground, and trying to walk it. For all my sarcasm, it does not follow through to my husband - he does not enjoy it, and in response to kidding - he does not kid well. I save the sarcasm for when I get together with my kids or at work with the guys I work with - they're mean like me and can laugh about it.

    Well, and you.

    waiting

  • waiting
    waiting

    hey larc!

    I told my husband about our conversation and that I said I wasn't sarcastic with him - you should have seen that squint-eyed fool roll his eyes at me!

    Guess it does ooze over into our conversations.......

    oh well. waiting

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