Concerning Santa Claus

by Duncan 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • Duncan
    Duncan

    I thought I’d post this now, because firstly we’re just coming into that time of year, and secondly the thread started by Mulan called Confession got into this subject and started me thinking.

    I could’ve posted this as a reply in that thread, I suppose, but I wanted to discuss it separately. Besides, it’s been MONTHS since I saw my name up there in a “Thread Started By” capacity, so I thought it was time.

    Concerning Santa Claus, then.

    The whole Christmas issue is, of course, one of the meanest, most joy-denying, life-diminishing teachings in the whole miserable JW mindset. The loss of opportunities for family bonding, memory-building and simple goodwill has been discussed on this site many times. But rather than rehash all that, I just want to talk about Santa Claus specifically. (Much more commonly referred to as Father Christmas here in the UK, btw).

    It seems to me that the idea of Santa is one of the most brilliant and joy-giving creations of our whole western culture. A tangible, visible figure, easily conceived and recognised by a 2 year old, representing goodness, families and warmness, a spirit of giving and unconditional love. An everyday figure of flesh-and-blood that you can meet in any department store, but - for young children - possessing magical qualities nonetheless.

    Now, it’s possible to take a much more jaundiced view of all this, to point out that Santa can represent a spirit of getting, not giving, of greed, ingratitude and envy. No doubt that can be true, too. We’ve all met kids (and adults) like that.

    My point here is that in the great Scales of Life - on balance - Santa accounts for much more joy and goodness than pain and hurt. And certainly, in remembering the dull and colourless non-Christmases of my youth (raised in The Truth), you can bet that we absolutely go to town in our household at Christmas: Trees, decorations, presents and lights.

    And Santa.

    The kids these days are old enough to know it’s me in the suit, but we do it anyway – because, I guess, it’s our tradition and it’s also such a brilliant laugh.

    A lifetime ago, back in The Truth, I remember an elder discussing these things with me while I was pioneer youth. How terrible these worldly people are! They teach their children a lie! How do you think these poor kids will feel when they realise one day that they’ve been duped? There is no Father Christmas, it’s all a deception! They’ll never trust their parents again! No wonder the whole world is in such a screwed up state when we deliberately teach our kids falsehoods like this! How grateful we can be to Jehovah that….[blah blah]

    His argument has always stuck in my mind over the years. I didn’t like it, but I had to admit that it was a powerful argument: “How can you deliberately promote a lie like that? Surely it’s harmful? In what other circumstance could you possibly feel that it’s acceptable to encourage ideas in your youngsters that you knew were not true? You’re sponsoring a falsehood, like the Father of the Lie, Satan.”

    It’s an argument used by many Witnesses.

    But think about it for a minute.

    In what circumstances DO you encourage ideas in your youngsters that you absolutely KNOW are untrue? And furthermore, do this daily, routinely, without a thought?

    The answer is so mundane and everyday, you might not even have guessed it yet.

    Here’s a clue:

    “Look at me, Daddy! I’m a horsey!”

    “Hey Jamie, great horse! Look at me, I’m a horsey too! You can be a cowboy and ride on me!”

    Its called PLAYING. We all play with our kids, every day.

    Now, there’s an adult part of us that knows that Jamie is not LITERALLY, TRUTHFULLY a horse, but we’re not shocked by what he says. We don’t rush in to correct him “I’m sorry Jamie, but that’s just not true – you see, horses are four-legged animals that live out on the plains…”

    We all understand games and playacting. It creates no conflict within us that the statements made while playing are not literally true. We enter the spirit of the game.

    (Finally, getting to my point) And, of course it’s the same thing with Santa Claus.

    It is the EXACT same thing.

    Santa Claus is an elaborate, years-long game played by parents and children. It brings huge enjoyment to both sides. When the kids are too old for the game, they instinctively understand the spirit of it. And those kids grow up to play the game all over again with THEIR kids.

    Have you ever, EVER, even once, heard of a child who grew up complaining of being damaged by the “deception” over Santa? No, and neither have I. Because it isn’t that kind of of cruel deception, it’s a loving, playful, giving, GAME.

    Ever seen a kid who’s too old to believe himself in Santa, but has a younger cousin or friend round and the parents say : “Now, Timmy still believes in Santa, so you go along with it too!” - and watch the older kid enter into the spirit of it? They know the way the game works.

    Don’t fall for the Witness argument. Santa is a brilliant, joy-bringing, life-enhancing marvellous part of Christmas.

    Enjoy the game

    Duncan
    (who needs less padding every year in that suit)

  • anglise
    anglise

    “A lifetime ago, back in The Truth, I remember an elder discussing these things with me while I was pioneer youth. How terrible these worldly people are! They teach their children a lie! How do you think these poor kids will feel when they realise one day that they’ve been duped? There is no Father Christmas; it’s all a deception! They’ll never trust their parents again! No wonder the whole world is in such a screwed up state when we deliberately teach our kids falsehoods like this! How grateful we can be to Jehovah that….[blah blah]
    His argument has always stuck in my mind over the years. I didn’t like it, but I had to admit that it was a powerful argument: “How can you deliberately promote a lie like that? Surely it’s harmful? In what other circumstance could you possibly feel that it’s acceptable to encourage ideas in your youngsters that you knew were not true? You’re sponsoring a falsehood, like the Father of the Lie, Satan.”
    It’s an argument used by many Witnesses.
    But think about it for a minute.”

    Good post Duncan.
    But after your tale of the elder I really thought you were going to liken it to the GREAT LIES told by the WTBTS.
    As you so rightfully say most children realise whilst quite young that Santa is a myth and go on to develop quite normal social lives and skills, but I am afraid this is not true of the many thousands of adults and children who have put their complete trust and lives in the lie about 1975, 1914, stay single, no college, responsible childbearing in this time of the end, cover the dirt in the congs at all cost etc.

    I totally agree with you. I don’t think the myth/fairy tale of Santa has such a devastating and long-term effect on anyone.
    Having said that I don’t know how a sensitive child would react to the idea of a stranger coming into their room whilst they sleep even if that stranger was the benevolent SC/FC but then I have never asked any, maybe others could answer this.

    My daughter is in a quandary as to how far to go with what she tell her little girl this year, but they always pick things up from other children so maybe the final decision will be taken out her hand.

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Witnesses have their own myths and traditions to share as families.

    They can gather around and share their 1975 disappointment stories and how it strengthened their faith.

    They can recall car trips to conventions and home remembering the uncomfortable seats and inedible food.

    They can discuss how in the old days time requirements were much higher and reminisce on the good times when it was really hard to be a witness.

    fa la la la la, la la la la

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    Joel

  • DazedAndConfused
    DazedAndConfused

    duncan,

    You talk about lying to children regarding Santa Claus. While it is true parents "lie" to their children regarding Santa Claus and Christmas.............but think back. When you were at the meetings, or out in service, how many "lies" did we tell? We told children all sorts of "lies" just to get them going. No? In example................I got your nose!!!! (All the while just showing part of our thumb) I get reminded quite regularly about a time that I and a sister out and out lied to our children about something and even today, knowing it was a lie, those very children view that as one of the most fun times they ever had. Let me tell you what we did. This sister and I had read a story about a lollypop tree. In it you "plant" a lollypop and later you go and find a tree that is growing lollypops. Well, we did this with our children. We took them out into the woods and planted a lollypop and after a certain amount of time we went out to that very spot and found a small tree sprouting lollypops. Of course we had gone out beforehand and tied lollypops to a small tree. Considering the ages of the children, some accepted it and some questioned it. But to this day, they all think back upon this as one of the best things that they remember from the past. I think the same thing happens with the "lie" of Christmas. Children need to have something that they can fantasize about. Something that they can look back upon and see that innocence of life is a reality. I would think that if "lying" about Santa and Christmas was such a terrible thing..................it would not continue on generation after generation. Especially in this day of hightened awareness of abuse.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Duncan,

    The trouble with you apostates is that you don't seem to appreciate that JW kids get their prezzies ALL YEAR ROUND!

    I am waiting for about 20 years worth still.....!

    Englishman.

    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

  • Duncan
    Duncan

    Mike

    Oh yeah - the "all year round" thing. I remember saying that to my schoolfriends, even all the while knowing that it LITERALLY WAS NOT TRUE.

    Role-playing. There's good and there's bad, I guess.

    Duncan.

    ps went to the match last night (Watford vs Pompey). turned out an easy win for Watford, but the travelling support was tremendous. Sang us off the pitch. Made me laugh, they were singing: "Three-nil, and you're still not singing!" Are they always as loud/good as that?

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Hi Duncan, I know, Pompey were crappy, it was on ITV digital.

    Oh yeah, the supporters are nuts, was that big fella with the drum there?

    Englishman.

    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

  • Duncan
    Duncan

    Mike

    There was a drum, but not really noticeable. A fellow was ringing a bell throughout, which got tedious.

    But best of all was a chap with trumpet, who had no idea how to play. I mean - you couldn't even GUESS what the tune was that he was trying for. Once we'd noticed it, me and my crowd ( me, my 12 year old son + 3 of my mates) were simply falling about every time he started. Brilliant fun.

    Duncan.

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    _____________________________________________________________________
    The trouble with you apostates is that you don't seem to appreciate that JW kids get their prezzies ALL YEAR ROUND!
    ______________________________________________________________________

    I was sooo lucky with this one, my dad decided that as I didnt get christmas and birthday presents from them I should get assembly presents instead, I'd get the best present for the main assembly and
    slightly smaller ones for the circuit assemblys,

    He was also a novelty/knicknac freak, he used to find me the strangest things, like the kitten shaped soap that grew fur or the expanding ruler that fit in my pencil case but was really six foot long or the ariel pen (car ariel length when full stretch)I was the first kid in school to have a digital watch when they first came out.
    He taught me the pleasure of 'its the thought that counts' something doesnt have to be big and expensive to bring pleasure (though big can be fun too )

    I've done my best to follow that on with my kids, the simplest little knic knac will put a twinkle in their eyes, they love the father christmas hype stuff, I'm not sure on the littlest ones current standing on father christmas she doesnt seem at all bothered
    when theres more than 1 up town in one day, and is quite chuffed the tooth fairys been twice in the last couple of months.

    As years have gone on I've come to apreciate Ol Nic, having been on toys runs with the local bikers at christmas it doesnt seem to matter if hes a bit skinny or his trousers have divorced his ankles, to see the kids at a local special needs playschools faces light up when they see him ride in on a harley is truly a sight to behold, kids grow out of their innocence fast enough these days, it seems a shame to begrudge them a little bit of makebelieve

    nelly

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Duncan and E-man,

    Oh yeah - the "all year round" thing. I remember saying that to my schoolfriends, even all the while knowing that it LITERALLY WAS NOT TRUE.
    Ohhh! This one gets me so bad!!! I get riled just thinking about it. My parents used to say this to me all the time. But it so was NOT true. We didn't get prezzies except the typical new school year clothing, which every kid got anyway. I got a few really nice high school graduation presents, but I can't remember any presents AT ALL the rest of the year. Now, I must say we didn't have a lot of money growing up, but even the smallest thought or trinket wasn't even given. Now that I'm older, the more I realize how ingrateful my JW family is for anything that is given to them. They say thank you, but it is so perfunctory it's enough to make you ill. A few years ago, I gave my twin brothers watches for high school graduation. Not even a thank you note or email.

    I can't say there is much more in life that buggers me more than ungrateful people!!!

    Andi

    PS: Sorry for the tirade! Can you see this hits home for me? Heehee!

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