Do JW's really 'trust in Jehovah'????

by DannyBear 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    JW's claim to trust their god Jehovah implicitly. They fervently preach, teach, publish unending articles about God's protection, even Baptising converts who have sworn an oath to Jehovah and his "representitive organization" . They believe unreservedly that God takes a, moment by moment, active role in watching out, taking palpable action on behalf of JW welfare. Both on an organizational level and individually.

    Considering this bold and confident stand as regards God's personal protection and guidance for them alone, what does their personal conduct and organizational methods , really indicate?

    Far from dependence on Jehovah's personal action, protection and guidance, they display willfully a propensity for self promotion . Some actually eluding to a "theocratic warfare", which involves lying, misrepresenting, twisting, maneuvering individuals, organizations and governmental agencies to attain their goals.

    The recent UN/NGO debacle a prime example. How by any means did their joining ('riding on the back') of this 'worldly, beastly, unclean, whore mongering, unclean' , 'peace but there is no peace', MAN MADE entity, in any way reflect unequivocal dependence and TRUST in Jehovah . Not one iota, those who signed the concordat with the United Nations did at that moment in time, and for nine long years afterward a complete lack of 'trust' in their god Jehovah.

    Throughout the entire history of jw's (120yrs+) they have presumptively called attention to the exclusivity of their honored and sacred relationship with God Almighty, even claiming they are the only ones who utilize his personal name. Somehow by the very incantation of the ancient Hebrew name of god, they by self proclamation claim an absolute exclusivity to offering THE ONLY prayer's even considered as worthy or acceptable to God. All other's, ALL OTHERS, who desire to commune with God are speaking to a deafened ear. God listens to jw's only, period, end of discussion.

    Yet, when you examine the conduct, when you reflect on the various jw leaders actions , or should I say antics, what do they reveal? Unabashed self glorification and personal ambitions.

    Charles Taze Russell the founding father of modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses, was not satisfied with just sitting in a little circle of fellow Bible Students. Not satisfied with interpreting scripture for his own edification, which would seem the whole intent of the Bible in the first place. What do I mean? God Almighty authored the book did he not? God surely knew what he wanted to say, and said it in the Bible, didn't he? Why would he need any mere mortal to interpret or define its meaning? Did Charles Taze let God speak for himself? No. He had to explain what god really meant about, hell, life after death, the purpose for the earth, he became the 'faithful and discreet slave' (self proclaimed) of god. Trust in God? Not at all .He Charles Taze had to explain what god meant to say, he Charles Taze had to publish it, expand it, throw all of his personal fortune into it, even going so far as to pioneer a moving color photo drama of creation, to speak, to explain god's utterances. God Almighty was to lame, to powerless, to remote from the average Bible student. Trust in God? Far from it.

    Judge Rutherford his successor was even more notorious in his complete disregard for God's power and abilities. He overshadowed Russell in his complete disdain, for anybody, anywhere that would dare take exception to any of his word by word explanation of what God wanted to say. He was prolific in publishing explanation, prophecy, revelations, dates, events, that HE claimed God's personal hand was involved. Even marking tiny little conventions (gatherings) of his follower's as fulfillment of Bible (God's Word) prophecy. At one of these conventions in the early 1920's he publicly pronounced on behalf of God that "MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE". Guess what most if not all that heard his words then , are dead and buried now. Trust in God and his word. NOT.

    To this very day, the individuals taking the lead , making policy, directing the organization know as Jehovah's Witnesses, continue to conspire their own methods, their own will, their own wisdom, to define and supposedly help honest hearted ones, come to an understanding of what GOD's message is.

    Could it be that jw's for over 120 years have been spreading man's messages, man's desires , man's wishes, instead of God's. You only need look at the track record as respect the real TRUST the real CONFIDENCE they have displayed in man's words.....or God's, you be the judge.

    DannyBear

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    Good post Dannybear,

    If Jehovahs Witnesses started trusting God the Kingdom Halls, Branch offices and printing factories would soon become redundant and if Jehovahs Witnesses really began to believe God could read what's in thier hearts, the vast majority of them would start to get some self esteem working in thier favor and take pride in who they are as individuals and venture out on those first tentative steps to freedom.

    warm regards to you and mrsbear, unc.

  • tdogg
    tdogg

    If they really did completely "trust in Jah" then whey would they need to provide their own 'security' personnel at conventins and such.
    It is the same as the pope in his bulletproof popemobile, not much faith in God eh?

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    LOL Tdogg,

    are sure you got the point of this thread?

    unclebruce.

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Uncle,

    I just finished reading the thread by 'scumgrief' a young jw, who seems to be almost an anachronism of the typical jw we knew and loved.

    Could it be that they are changing? That the reformers are having an impact? Listening to 'scumgrief' one might conclude it is so.

    I have a tendancy to think that it is an apiration, a view from someone who has not personally witnessed the grinding machine in action.

    Freedom from mind control, gets more satisfiying every moment away from. Like you, I could never again, allow anyone to ride so roughshod over my spirit.

    The sad part is that it takes a considerable amount of time passage, to realize just how 'chained' your brain cells really were!

    Regards to you my friend. Hope you have fully recovered from the errant 'bolt'.....what color are Aussie 'hard hats'? Wear one will you? We need you to stick around these hallowed halls.

    Danny

  • tdogg
    tdogg

    Yeah Unc I got the point if the thread, I just pointed out that the ultimate form trust, personel well being, is not given. So where exactly do you give trust to God? Nowhere, as pointed out wonderfully by DaBear.

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    DB,

    Good post, solid points.

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    tdogg,

    You know you bring up a good side point to this discussion.

    All of the 'big wigs' I have know personaly starting with Fred Franz, Nathan Knorr, and others all displayed this attitude of self promotion.

    Fred Franz was unapologetic about his dramatic speaking style, sometimes shouting, hurling his voice in spasims of emotion, that either chilled you to the bone, or simply made you laugh at him. He just reveled in the adulation of the brother's. Showing really little regard for gods word the Bible, he mouthed faibles from his own invention as the 'utterances of God', how much more proof does one need to prove he had (even if he didn't recognize it) little if any real TRUST in what God wrote. Freddie had to tell us what it really meant...thanks Freddie for all the hours wasted pouring over Babylon The Great Has Fallen, God's Kingdom Rules...all the time I spent spewing his version as regards the end of this 'system of things, culminating in 6000 yrs of exsistence in 1975. Wow that was great Fred, really must thank you posthumous for all your prophetic efforts! You silly little dingbat of a man. Or should I say posthumorous.

    Well tdogg I got your point...Hell my dad carried a concealed weapon to protect the Judge...just how much protection does a self proclaimed 'faithfull and discreet slave' 'appointed by God himself need protection?

    DannyBear

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Good observations, Danny Boy.

    Farkel

    "When in doubt, duck!"

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Hey Farkel,

    Thanks, Iam in a rare mood tonight. Spouting off all over the place.

    Sometimes you just gotta say what you gotta say, eh?

    Hope you got my message, waiting for your e-mail, whenever you are ready to proceed. No worries...your time frame will do.

    Danny

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