please offer any suggestions that may help me convince her thst sshe is being decived.
my gf is a jw
by jerome 22 Replies latest social relationships
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jerome
when you were a jw what would have convinced you that your religion was wrong.
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Celia
Read Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz, and ask her to read it too... Visit the Freeminds site, the Silentlambs site, the Observer site (links at the bottom of this page) with her, read, read, read, and learn !
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Beans
I don`t get it are you a JW also? If your not she`s not allowed to date you man!What`s the deal there? I can`t reply until you answer these serious questions.
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jerome
i am not a jw.
i have spent months researching the organisation and it isnt pretty.
we became to be togeather for personal reasons but tha isnt the issue now.
the issue now is what will happen to the relationship in the future
.i think that the organisation is not as strict as you people make it seem at times.
you people must realize that if you are to convince somone to talk to you and listen that any arguments that you present MUST be factual and unbiased if not they will think that you have your mind already made up and you will loose credibility.
there i have anwsered your question.
all the information that i have provided her she now has given back to me just as now have to real information she now is unwilling to accept it.
She has partially agreed to read crisis of conscience
but is looking for any reason to back out
if i say the wrong thing i wont get her to read it
i think i will have to lay off of this matter for a while...help.
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jerome
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bluesapphire
Jerome, the organization definitely IS as strict as we say and worse. Unless you were ever a part of it, you wouldn't fully understand that some rules are not written.
Regardless, you need to understand mind-control before you can attempt to convince your gf. That fact that she's breaking the rules by dating you is good news. It means that she might break other rules too, like read COC or ISOCF. For now, download things from Randy's site and have her take a look.
I would suggest pretending to be interested but having sincere difficulty understanding certain aspects of the religion. Like, why they focus on 1914 when it was a date that Russell took from pyramidology. And why make it mandatory for witnesses to believe in the date when nothing significant happened on that date besides WWI. WWII was also significant, as well as any other large war. Why believe in a year for a day theory based on the fall of Jerusalem in 607 when it fell in 586? Obviously, year for a day, is incorrect interpretation.
Anyways, hope this helps. Go easy on her or you'll push her away.
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Beans
Ok Jerome: I think you must show her some quotes from previous Watchtower and Awake mags,it`ll freak her out!They believe that when the New system comes they will speak Hebrew and turn to mans original colour(WHITE)JW`s can have a blood transfusion in Bulgaria and the list goes on www.Quotes.JehovahsWitness.com
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jerome
i did show her certain quotes from old watchtowers.
but she just goes on believing what the wt teaches.
it hasent freaked her out.
i first have to get her to read it with an open mind
that is what is important.when you were a jw would you have believed that your organisation which you considered truth and the only truth (so sayeth the watchtower) was implementing one of the most dare i say diabolical
decietful crafty michevious downright untruth full even schems of mind controll since nazi germany and stalin.well would you.
i dident mean to offend anyone by that
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careyaj
when i was a jw my boyfriend of 7 yrs. wasn't...know what he said to me?..."i was talking to eddie (his college romt. who was a jw) and he gave me some books to read. i noticed everything you guys say comes straight out of those books when you're challenged on a topic? if you believe in the religion so much how come you can't speak from the heart, instead you speak from a book."