1914: A lucky guess? Or divine inspiration?

by Gopher 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Hi all,

    We know the WT Society has a long history of prophecies, especially regarding dates. Almost 100% of such prophecy was in error.

    It seems though, that they got a DATE right by foretelling that 1914 would be "the end of the world as we know it".

    Yes, they changed the meaning of 1914 several times. It did not mean the rapture of all the faithful Christians to heaven, and it was not the start of Armageddon. It wasn't anything close to what CT Russell had foretold. The final definition that "it was the establishment of God's heavenly kingdom" didn't even get published by JF Rutherford until 1925.

    SO... Did the outbreak of modern warfare and World War I in 1914 signify a lucky guess, or some sort of inspiration?

    What would you say to someone who thinks the JW's have a point here regarding 1914????

    GopherWhy shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense.
    Mark Twain (1835-1910)

  • sleepy
    sleepy

    I would say where in the Bible does it say that a specific war , which we now call the first world war would mark the start of a period called the last days.

    The answer is nowhere.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    SO... Did the outbreak of modern warfare and World War I in 1914 signify a lucky guess, or some sort of inspiration?

    Neither. 1914 was one of many dates when they prophesied that something significant would happen. What happened was nothing like they predicted, but because something of world signficance did happen, they later rewrote their own history to make it seem as if they had predicted it. They have also lied and used false statistics and out-of-context quotes to make it seem as if the entire world changed suddenly and completely late in 1914, when in reality it didn't.

    --
    "The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason, 1794.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Sleepy,

    The JW-defender would tell you, in Matthew 24 it tells about wars in one place after another being a last-days sign. So the fact that this was the first all-world war would (in the mind of a JW) line up with 1914 starting off the last days.

    GopherWhy shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense.
    Mark Twain (1835-1910)

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    As Witnesses, we suffer from a common misconception. We have been drilled with the idea that 1914 is the most significant date in the history of humanity. The reality of the situation is much different.

    Yes, 1914 had significance. But, ask a worldly person to name a great turning point in history. You will get dates like 1492, 1776, any many, many, others. 1914 is no more significant than 1939 (outbreak of WW2), or 1929 (depression begins). Some will say that the date the atomic bomb was used was a turning point. In fact, many people will not even know that WW1 broke out in that year.

    Now, was 1914 a lucky guess? Well, what happened in 1925 or 1975? - absolutely nothing. If you guess enough dates, sooner or later, one of them will have a big event.

    The society is neither inspired, nor lucky - just persistant.

  • indireneed
    indireneed

    I don't think their 'prediction' of 1914 was anything out of the ordinary.

    Imagine the number of Millenial religions at the turn of the 20th century. Each had their own date scheme, and each had their own way of seeing things.

    Now, with hundreds of Millenial cults, and hundreds of predicted dates, one had to come true. Well, 1914 was pivotal on the world stage, so the JWs decided to abandon their 20 other dates and go with that one.

    'Biblical' chronology is crap. I don't mean the Bible, I mean trying to use it to predict things. Why don't you just go to Nostradamus and you can convince yourself that maybe he is the Son of God. Or perhaps, the Mayans, who predicted the end of the world pretty close to know.

    1914 is what it is - a date that the JWs came up with but were completely wrong on. It doesn't mean they were right - there is no spectacular change in society since 1914. In fact, we are just now becoming more like the period before 1914 'globalization' wise. We are not in a new era, we are just in one of the repitious cycles.

    Don't forget, there have been apocalyptic soothsayers ever since the Bible was written.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Nothing particularly out of the ordinary happened in 1914, when you look at a long sweep of world history. This so-called "World War I" was not the first real world war in the sense that virtually all nations participated, for what is called "World War II" was really the first of those. WWI was really a European war in which the U.S. finally participated. Sure, there was fighting outside Europe, but it was almost entirely within various European colonies, so that was just an extension of the war on European soil. If one insists on calling this great European war a "world war", then other wars qualify just as well. For example, the Hundred Years War killed far more of a percentage of the population of Europe than WWI did, and it involved just about every European nation. For a comprehensive look at these matters, see Carl Olof Jonsson's The Sign of the Last Days: When?, available from www.freeminds.org and Commentary Press.

    Keep in mind that the Watchtower Society predicted, not just a war for 1914, but a total world revolution that would result in the complete destruction of all human institutions. They predicted plenty of other things for 1914. Not a single thing came true. The only reason the Bible Students didn't fold up shop after 1914 was that they managed to convince a few people that their predictions had succeeded, by ignoring most of their predictions and focusing on what was until WWII called The Great War. If the war hadn't luckily come along, they'd have folded just as surely as most other apocalyptic sects folded after their major prediction failed.

    As for the Society's claim that things are radically different after 1914, to a certain extent that's true, but when examined objectively one finds that the changes are evolutionary, not revolutionary. Sure, some peoples' attitudes about life changed as a result of WWI, but no more so than attitudes changed as a result of the 9/11 WTC disaster. The Society quotes a number of supposedly objective historians to the contrary, but other commentators have correctly noted that such statements are more the product of wistful thinking about a non-existent golden childhood on the part of these people than an objective look at historical change. The fact is that almost everyone forgets a lot of the hardships of childhood and only remembers the golden moments. That's the way humans work. Careful researchers, though, know very well that a pre-1914 "golden age" existed only for the very wealthy, and that certainly disappeared as the gulf between the incredibly rich and the incredibly poor narrowed considerably after WWI, and especially after the Great Depression ended. The condition of the average citizen in most countries, especially Western countries, improved considerably after this time period.

    So, looked at objectively, 1914 was a great big fizzle for the Society. No one besides today's JWs gives it any major heed at all. It was a significant date, but there have been many equally or even more significant dates.

    AlanF

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    I liked 1844 much better!

    carmel

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Thanks to Alan, indireneed, runningman and Derek. You have presented a well-rounded view and helped put 1914 in perspective. Quite a lot of JW theology has been built around that date, which they claim to have arrived at with the help of divine guidance! In reality, 1914 is just another in a series of failed WT Society predictions.

    GopherWhy shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense.
    Mark Twain (1835-1910)

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    I can think of other dates that could be used also. What about the black death of the 16 hundreds that wiped out 1/3 of Europe. Whole families were extinguished. Can you imagine one out of three of your friends, relatives and family died. They must have thought then that that was the last days. As far as the JW's dates are concerned, it is pretty shaky anyways. I always wondered how they could take some prophecy about days times days times half a day, or what ever, put years to it and come up with a date.

    Will

    "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
    Mark Twain

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