Another early legend about Jesus birth

by Leolaia 16 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    The Ascension of Isaiah preserves what might be a cognate but independent tale about Jesus' birth. This book was initially pre-Christian and was known to the author of Hebrews (cf. Hebrews 11:37 = AscenIs 5:2-15), but was heavily interpolated in the first and second century A.D. The first interpolation, 3:13-4:22, most likely dates to the end of the first century (as it was known to second-century writers in its literary form) but the second, the so-called Vision of Isaiah (11:2-22) is later, probably from the first half of the second century. It would thus be later than the birth narratives in the canonical gospels but contemporaneous with the Protevangelium of James which relates a similar but different story.

    The birth legend in AscenIs is as follows:

    And I indeed saw a woman of the family of David the prophet, named Mary, and virgin, and she was espoused to a man named Joseph, a carpenter, and he also was of the seed and family of the righteous David of Bethlehem Judah. And he came into his lot. And when she was espoused, she was found with child, and Joseph the carpenter was desirous to put her away. But the angel of the Spirit appeared in this world, and after that Joseph did not put her away, but kept Mary and did not reveal this matter to any one. And he did not approach May, but kept her as a holy virgin, though with child. And he did not live with her for two months. And after two months of days while Joseph was in his house, and Mary his wife, but both alone. It came to pass that when they were alone that Mary right away looked with her eyes and saw a small babe, and she was astonished. And after she had been astonished, her womb was found as formerly before she had conceived. And when her husband Joseph said to her: "What has astonished you?" his eyes were opened and he saw the infant and praised God, because into his portion God had come. And a voice came to them: "Tell this vision to no one." And the story regarding the infant was noised throughout Bethlehem. Some said: "The virgin Mary has borne a child, before she was married two months." And many said: "She has not borne a child, nor has a midwife gone up to her, nor have we heard the cries of labor pains." And they were all blinded respecting him and what they all knew regarding him, though they knew not who he was. And they took him, and went to Nazareth in Galilee. (AscenIs 11:2-15)

    One striking feature of this story is the almost magical appearance of the baby Jesus outside Mary's womb without any delivery or labor pains, allegedly without a midwife as well. In the Protevangelium version of the story, Mary delivers the child with the help of a midwife in a cave (not Joseph's house) but the bright blinding light of Jesus' glory obscures the otherwise unpleasant nature of Mary's giving birth (the motif of the bright light possibly inspired by Isaiah 9:2). Here there is no mention of a blinding light, nor a visit by shepherds or wise men, or Herod's slaughter of babies in Bethlehem.

    In fact, what happens in Bethlehem afterwards is quite different: there is a controversy among the people over what exactly happened. The mention of this controversy is the writer's attempt to fulfill a prophecy in scripture (similar to the "prophecies" fulfilled in the canonical birth stories). But it is not a prophecy found in our present Bible, but in the book that Josephus (Antiquities 10.5.1) called "the second book of Ezekiel" and what Epiphanius (Adversus Haereses 64.70.5-17) called "the apocryphon of Ezekiel". This book has been lost. But fragments survive, and in Fr. 3, preserved by Epiphanius (Panarion Haeresies 30.3.3), reads: "And again in another place he says, 'And the heifer gave birth and they said, "She has not given birth." ' " Tertullian (De carne Christi 23) also summarized the passage and referred it to Jesus' birth: "We read also in the writings of Ezekiel concerning the cow which has given birth and has not given birth." This same passage was again quoted by Gregory of Nyssa, Clement of Alexandria, and in the Acts of Peter. This prophecy from the Apocryphon of Ezekiel was likely known to the second-century author of the "Vision of Isaiah," who regarded it fulfilled by the story of the rumor of Mary's maternity spreading throughout Bethlehem and some affirming and some denying the story.

    Although nothing else from the ApEzekiel prophecy of the pregnant heifer survives, the characterization of the Messiah's mother as a heifer probably finds its inspiration in 1 Enoch 90:37-38:

    Then I saw that a snow-white cow was born, with huge horns; all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the sky feared him and made petition to him all the time. I went on seeing until all their kindred were transformed, and became snow-white cows; and the first among them became a great beast with huge black horns on its head. The Lord of the sheep rejoiced over it and over all the cows. (1 Enoch 90:37-38)

    Here Enoch symbolically represents the coming of a Messiah by the birth of a white bull. ApEzekiel apparently has taken over this motif and assumed that Enoch's white bull was born of a heifer. Then this motif of the heifer bearing the Messiah was used by the early Church fathers (such as Tertullian, Epiphanius, Clement of Alexandria, and Gregory of Nyssa) in their debates on Mary's virginity, while it was independently used by the interpolator of AscenIs to construct a story about a controversy in Bethlehem over Jesus' birth.

    This is another interesting example of the complexities in the early traditions and stories about Jesus.

    Leolaia

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Interesting. I have read somewhere how the lable "Virgin" was specifically indicative of the intact Hymen and tight vagina not whether the mystical mother had had sex or born children. This emphasizes the symbolism of purity of the CHILD above any literal interpretation of the virgin story. The miracle was that the Savior never had to pass thru the "unseemly regions" of a woman. Catholics to this day insist that Mary's birth canal was never stretched. A second/separate miracle was the child's father being spirit. Whether this reflects the intention of the Matthean virgin story addition to the Jesus tale is another issue. There were many opinions as to how the story should be told. Thanks again for your posting an interesting example.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    That's a very interesting understanding of the word "virgin" and the AscenIs text would seem to support that understanding quite distinctly. I vaguely recall another relevant text but it doesn't come to mind at the moment.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Sounds like she stole someone else's baby.

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Leolaia, I have a personal question that you do not have to answer publicly, you can IM me if you would rather. You have done a great deal of research into the early legends and myths about Jesus. By your past post it is obvious you are aware also of the Horus legends that strikingly parallel the stories of Jesus. By this thread you show you are also aware of questionable origination of the what we call the Canon. Yet last month you stated http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/63564/1.ashx

    Anyway, I don't think I would've gotten this far had I not been introduced to Jesus, however garbled, by the WTS

    It seems difficult for a true rationalist to maintain faith in Jesus, especially after debunking the myths just as we did the WT in our exit process. I'm interested in knowing what is left that you can truly believe? Or have you, as many of us, developed a completely different perception of Jesus and his part as a spiritual leader? Steve

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Steve....your question is pretty much the same one I was posing in my "Seeking Jesus" thread. And in the same post you quote, I also state what Jesus means to me:

    for me, the real Jesus is the message of humility, love, and justice that he taught and he embodied this message with the very way he lived his life. Jesus' revolutionary message is that God is not isolated, distant from humanity, living in "third heaven" or the "Pleiades" or whatever, but that he can be in you and rule your heart by the way you live your life. That's what Jesus means to me, and that is the kind of kingdom I want to seek in my quest to be a better person and live a better, more charitable life.

    It is this message, this really revolutionary message, that is lost completely by the WTS. I disagree with those who believe no such person as Jesus existed and that he was invented purely as a mystical religious concept. My exploration of the evidence convinces me that there really was this man who had a very real, powerful, and tangible message -- namely, about the Kingdom of God. And I do believe in God, and I am quite persuaded by Jesus' philosophy of having God dwell in our hearts. The problem with his message is that it is filtered through the traditions and writings of his followers who developed very different ideas of who Jesus was. So, I am still seeking, not sure if I know Jesus yet, but I like very much what I am finding.

    And at the same time I do not reject entirely the more mystical, theological conceptions of Jesus in the different streams of Christianity. He may have been God as some Christians believed. Or he may have had a gnostic message, as others believed. I myself am more persuaded by the Jewish-Christian (i.e. Nazorean) conception of Jesus since that seems to be closest of the view of his original disciples. But I would rather embrace different contradictory conceptions of Jesus than reject possible truth. Maybe that's not faith, I am quite agnostic in many matters, as I freely admit, and I do well to study and discover how perhaps some traditions of Jesus are based on misunderstandings of things he said, but I do cherish and truly enjoy the wide spectrum of opinion.

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    Interesting reading

    Thank you Leolaia

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Leolaia:
    Thank you for both for the thread, recent posts, and statement of faith. I've found them profoundly interesting.

    Jst2Laws:

    It seems difficult for a true rationalist to maintain faith in Jesus, especially after debunking the myths just as we did the WT in our exit process.

    That statement seems to question the rationale of "believers", as if they haven't quite gone the full way in debunking.

    As I intimated to you, during my recent visit, it is quite possible to maintain faith whilst questioning some of the bedrocks of belief that so many set their store by.

    The question would really surround what is the "focus" of their faith.
    If it's a "Holy Book", religion, group of people, tradition, or one of any number of things, I suspect it can get a good shaking.
    If it's a personal relationship with someone, then that may be a different matter.

    For example - I've met and like you. It would take something pretty major to shake my faith in you, and since I don't suspect that I'm suddenly going to find out that you're a paedophile (or something equally nasty), I think I'm onto a safe bet.

    For many of us Jesus is in a similar category.
    Folks may deny what is written about him, or even try to sully his character, but he still remains someone personal and faithful.

    I sometimes wonder how many have genuinely tried to meet with him, before scientifically undermining the whole story about him. I would posit that some get preconceived ideas about what he is and is not, before they even attempt to find him. Then that baggage starts to impede their progress in that direction.
    Personally I stated from a simple awareness that he was more than I'd been taught as a JW...

    I've yet to meet someone who says that they wouldn't like to meet him, if they could believe he truly existed (that isn't an offer for detractors to denigrate him, btw, coz if they do I'm gonna get close to busting some b*lls!!! just as I would if someone started attacking Steve).

    Back to the thread title.
    Some, who were around at the time, tried to relate the experience.
    Whether or not it was recorded correctly, or later interfered with, is open to debate.

  • Xena
    Xena

    Thank you for sharing your comments on your beliefs about Jesus Leolaia, I find them to be most eye opening.

    It's amazing what a narrow view of religion and Jesus you have after being a dub, well I guess not amazing when you consider how we were taught...you and LT have given me some food for thought.

    Thank you again.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Leolaia..some more about the virgin Birth. Chrysostom (300s)made clear it was his understanding that earlier Christians accepted the ever Virginal state of Mary's hymen. St. Ambrose (391) wrote: .."His birth did not break the seals of virginity".

    Ephraem Syrus (300s) Felt the need to explain a physical point of entry into Mary. His solution was the EAR. :"it entered into her ear and hid in her womb."

    These bwriters and other interpreted Is 7 ,"Virgin shall be pregnant AND give birth" as implying that she was still a virgin thru the whole episode. Perhaps this was Matt intented meaning?

    Also Ezekial 44:2 was interpreted as a prophey of her remaing physically virginal. "As regards this gate, shut is how it will continue. No mere man will come in by it; for the Lord the God of Israel has come in by it, and it must continue shut."


    Also they assert that the Gospel story says as much when it has Mary up and active immediatly after the birth of what would have been her first.


    The Odes of Solomon (70ce) declare the birth was painless.


    Interestingly at a Hinu website the writer declared Buddha's birth as superior to Jesus' in that Buddha was not "stained" as happens in normal births. He seems to imply he exited miraclously. He was apparently unaware that early Xtian tradition mirrored the Hindu.

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