Repost: Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-18-03 WT Study

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  • blondie
    blondie

    I hope this one works. Any comments from the last post, please repost if you can. Blondie

    COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT HEAR AT THE 5-18-03 WT STUDY

    April 1, 2003 WT

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    EXHIBIT "ALL MILDNESS TOWARD ALL MEN"

    Titus 3:1,2

    Titus 3 (NIV)


    Doing What is Good
    1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.

    Introduction

    Who should Christians imitate? Christ, of course, you might say. Yet, how often does the WTS or the elders compare those in the congregation to others. "Why can’t you regular pioneer like Sister Manyproblems or Sister Illhealth?"

    Relying on sheer willpower is not enough.

    That statement from the WTS is true. But whose power should be relied upon and how.

    The more we yield to the leadings of God’s active force

    Can you explain what the leadings of the holy spirit are?

    8/1/01 p. 16

    To the extent that our thinking and actions are responsive to the leading of God’s spirit, to that extent we become spiritually mature. How can we achieve this objective? We must open our heart and mind to the influence of God’s spirit. This involves our faithfully attending and participating in Christian meetings. We should also regularly study and meditate on God’s Word, allowing its principles to guide our dealings with others and the choices and decisions we make.

    Yes, we can only be lead by the holy spirit if we attend meetings at the KH according to the WTS. Just staying at home and studying the Bible is not enough.

    IN THE FAMILY

    "Screaming and abusive speech…some couples have allowed "malicious bitterness" to affect their relationship…has no place in Christian families."

    But do not kid yourself, there is many a JW family that put on a wonderful face at the KH, and yell at their families all the way home. I know of one sister that tried to talk to the elders about her verbally abusive JW husband. The elders said, "You are exaggerating what he has said; maybe he had a bad day at work; the children were probably irritating him," in other words, she and the children were the problem.

    Mildness is especially important in a religiously divided home. Coupled with kindly deeds, it can help to win over to Jehovah those who are not favorably disposed.

    It is with reasoning like this that the WTS encourages sisters to stay with abusive husbands. Note this experience:

    4/1/81 p. 30

    But then opposition started. "Arriving home from the assembly," she relates, "my mother beat me. My husband too opposed me; and so did many others in the family. Due to fear of having their reputation besmirched if I became a Witness, my mother even threatened suicide. However, one of my sisters showed interest in the Bible and began to study with Jehovah’s Witnesses. This caused other family members to turn against both of us. Our books were destroyed and the Witnesses who studied with us were threatened with death."

    As a result of what this woman was learning from her study of the Bible, she sought reconciliation with her husband, from whom she had separated. A home was located and she and her two children again began living with her husband. But this did not end the opposition to her Bible study. "Many times on returning from a Christian meeting," she explains, "I found that my husband had locked the doors. When I finally would be permitted to enter, a beating was waiting for me and the children."

    The Bible urges Christians not to return evil for evil, but to display long-suffering. (Rom. 12:17, 18) The young woman endeavored to heed this Scriptural advice. It had a rewarding outcome, as she points out, saying:

    "After three long years I was baptized, in April 1978. From then on I have had continuous blessings from Jehovah. My husband has softened his attitude and has begun studying the Bible. We are a united family. My sister is now baptized. Her husband also has had a change of attitude. He has shown interest in Bible study and attends meetings at the Kingdom Hall. My parents, too, have changed. Previously they had refused to recognize me anymore as their daughter. But now they view that decision as foolish and do not wish to lose their children just for the sake of what others may think. All my relatives now want to learn about the Bible."

    1/15/74 p. 39

    A case in point is one of Jehovah’s witnesses in Liberia. The mother of five children, she lived with her non-Witness husband in a very remote village of less than ten houses. Through jungles and swamps she would make her way to the Kingdom Hall, always being among the first to arrive. This despite the fact that for eight years her husband opposed her, even subjecting her to great physical abuse.

    There was the time that he wounded her seriously with a stick. He inflicted wounds on one of her legs and told her, ‘Let me see how you can go to the Kingdom Hall without legs.’ She was in bed for some days, but as soon as she felt better and could walk a bit, her first trip was to the Kingdom Hall, to the disappointment of her husband.

    Finally, after many similar incidents, came the climax. Their large rice farm was about to be harvested. The husband chose this time to abandon the family, with no intention of returning to his Witness wife. He went to the capital city of Monrovia. Meanwhile, fellow Witnesses harvested the rice, thereby saving the mother and her children from starvation.

    At Monrovia, the husband, by coincidence, found accommodations with a man who, unknown to him, was one of Jehovah’s witnesses. This Witness invited him to a meeting and, though he did not know the nature of the meeting, he just could not refuse to go, as he was staying in the home. At the Kingdom Hall he was warmly welcomed and learned that those in attendance were Jehovah’s witnesses, just like his wife. Their kindness impressed him, as he never thought that such a "crazy religion" (as he had been calling it) could be practiced by people in a city like Monrovia. Later, in the house, he confessed to the Witness accommodating him that he was going back to his family and would worship Jehovah.

    Back home he kneeled down before his wife, related his experiences and asked her for forgiveness. Since then he never misses a meeting at the Kingdom Hall and is now zealously telling others about the truth that he once bitterly opposed.

    Moral of both stories: let your husband beat you and your children and he will come into the truth (Of course, they leave out the stories where the husband kills the wife or children.)

    IN OUR MINISTRY

    Others, for a variety of reasons, may react unfavorably.

    Probably saw one of those shows on the cover-up of child abuse in the WTS organization.

    Manifest both mildness and respect when witnessing to those who speak harshly.

    How can a JW show respect for someone he/she has already decided is doomed to eternal death at Armageddon? Did you ever have an experience when the brother or sister with you at the door started yelling at the householder? What did you do to defuse the problem?

    An experience in the WT give this suggestion.

    Keith’s wife angrily accused the Witnesses of cruelty to children (I wonder if that was in regard to blood transfusions?) The brother remained calm…"I am sorry you feel that way. May I please show you what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe?"

    But,

    Later, the couple began to feel regret…a week later the brother returned (JWs don’t call on those that respond nicely and he called back on these people…hmmm?)

    And of course they were eventually baptized. So is the reason why fewer people are being baptized is that JWs are not showing mildness from door to door?

    IN THE CONGREGATION

    Debates, arguments, and wrangling…such worldly traits creep into the Christian congregation…responsible brothers (elders who argue more during their meetings than any rank and file member in the congregation) are saddened…try to win back erring ones (including fellow contentious elders?).

    When we maintain a mild temper even under provocation, dissenters (apostates?) are often moved to reassess criticisms.

    Note how they assume that dissenters aren’t making valid points that need to be addressed. Are the elders always right?

    Laid the basis for peace and unity

    Must the minority always give in to the majority for the sake of peace and unity? Consider the account of the 12 spies sent into Canaan. Ten spies came back with a negative account and discouraged the nation of Israel from going into the Promised Land. Only 2 spies "dissented" saying that God who support them and protect them. The ten even tried to stone the two who "dissented." It became apparent that 2 spies were presenting God’s view. The ten wandered for 40 years in the wilderness while the 2, Joshua and Caleb, were rewarded with long life and leadership roles when Israel finally did go in. What do we learn from this, dissenters in the minority can be right and reflect God’s viewpoint and that it is wrong to give into the majority when their viewpoint does not reflect God’s.

    All Christians, including appointed men, are subject to sinful tendencies.

    But it is only the rank and file that will be "adjusted." Because of that, problems build and fester for years in many congregations, and can be tied to the lack of "mildness" of many long-time elders.

    "TOWARD ALL MEN"

    Our love for Jehovah will help us recognize his supreme authority and give governmental authorities the relative subjection that they are due.

    Even when those in high station seek to limit the public expression of our worship of Jehovah
    (by interfering with our internal way of handling child abuse, that those things are confidential because we have clergy privilege, oh, that’s right we say we aren’t clergy)

    We strive to be reasonable while never compromising righteous principles.

    But note this compromise the WTS made with the Bulgarian government regarding blood transfusions.
    "The applicant undertook with regard to its stance on blood transfusions to draft a statement for inclusion in its statute providing that members should have free choice
    in the matter for themselves and their children, without any control or sanction on the part of the association." (Emphasis ours)

    http://www.ajwrb.org/basics/abandon.shtml

    The article concludes with the two rewards which motivate, ruling in heaven and paradise on earth. Not a word about vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty, supposedly the most important motivator.

    Conclusion

    Times are getting tougher for the ordinary JW as they go from door to door. It is harder to be mild when there are so many more issues like child abuse, WTS association with the UN, the ever-changing blood issue with its recent blood fractions. More and more families in the congregations are falling part, with husbands and wives separating, and 8 out of 10 young people leaving the organization. Elder bodies are becoming more fractious as the truly mild ones step aside rather than continue to battle.

    For too many years, the WTS has taught that it is more important what we do on the outside than what we are on the inside. It is the cup that is clean on the outside, but filth on the inside that Jesus spoke about in regard to the Pharisees. Just as they had the Torah and supplemented it with the Talmud, the elders of today have the Pay Attention to the Flock book and body of elder letters to supplement the scriptures. Should you stay or should you leave? What did Jesus followers do—did they stay with the Pharisaical religion?

    Blondie
  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Another good study Blondie. Thank you!

    While none of us would ever, ever condone the abusive treatment some jws receive, you make a very valid point - that these jws feel that, since they are in abattle to 'win over' their mate or otehr family, they put up with abuse far longer than any person could reasonably be expected to.

    The abuse becomes, sadly, almost a badge of honor. If the person goes to the elders, and says "I'm being beaten because I go to meetings" the elders will tend to encourage the person to stay and take it rather than excerise their right to leave.

    But whatever the case, reading these stories saddens me. Physical abuse is always wrong, I don't care what religion a person is studying. And I am also saddened at how the Society exploits these stories.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    My long reply got lost when I tried to post to your original thread.

    This article is a real piece of work. Thanks for the "spiritual food"

    They say holy spirit will move people to be peaceable and mild. Evidently the holy spirit is being blocked somehow among the local congregations? People are too busy keeping up with the "busy work" they are given -- studying the literature, door-to-door service, and are told its never enough. So who has time to meditate on what might make them a better person, including mildness?

    I also agree with Rocketman about the WT Society's shameless exploitation of examples of their people who showed mildness when maybe they should have said "enough is enough!". Do we really need to hear about the African woman walking miles, crossing alligator-infested swamps to attend meetings, and then being locked out and/or physically abused when she returned home? Oh yes the WT Society will use such examples to inflict further guilt on its adherents. (If she can be so mild under duress, what the HELL do you have to complain about, is the message.)

    Grrrr... I'm starting to get an upset stomach, so I'll quit now.

  • Wolfgirl
    Wolfgirl

    Thank you, blondie. :)

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Same old, same old. "Can't You All Just Get Along" and "Suffer for the Trooth - It's Good for You".

  • Maverick
    Maverick

    Thanks Blondie. They paint shunning family members who are Duds in a negative light, the hypocrites! And put the burden on the Sisters. In 23 years I'm known of only two men who came in after years of mistreating their wives. And in both cases the sisters knew all about them and they were treated with contempt by the sisters. The brothers didn't seem to care. After-all they're just women, who cares what they think or feel. Maverick

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Been thinking about this thread a lot today. Here's a thought: let's say this woman, after trying to put up with the abuse, would have chosen to leave? Think that story would get any print?.....I think not. So women are in sense put into a postion whereby, since they are trying to win the abuser over, they almost have no choice but to take the abuse. If they leave, my guess is they'd then feel guilty for 'giving up' on the chance to win the abuser over.

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    The WT is invested in women staying with their husbands, who knows why. Only recently is "spiritual endangerment" allowed as a means of separation; one sister in my hall used it to dump her husband, who wanted nothing to do with the truth. This seems to be a double standard; if you are new, you must wait for years to see if he will come in, but if he might succeed in helping you see the light about this miserable cult, then it is OK to leave him.

    Why in the world would a woman or man put up with physical abuse? It is sickening to even think that the org would suggest it; but then, that is their stock and trade, controlling the rank and file. I had a CO who after talking on material about abusive husbands, said: Now this does not mean that if your husband slaps you up, you can go running to the elders.

    There ya go; even if he is a witness, he can beat you and not be punished.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Rocketman,

    Unfortunately, I lived this story. The brothers always told us if we were better Christians, my father would be less abusive. Finally, my mother took the risk of being DF’d and separated from my father. One brother did apologize years later when he realized that my father had abused his second family and this brother was an eyewitness of it. Too little, too late for me and my siblings.

    Gopher,

    Evidently the holy spirit is being blocked somehow among the local congregations?

    It is being blocked because people are only pretending to be Christians on the outside, doing things that are visible to humans neglecting the things inside that are visible only to God.

    Do we really need to hear about the African woman walking miles, crossing alligator-infested swamps to attend meetings, and then being locked out and/or physically abused when she returned home? Oh yes the WT Society will use such examples to inflict further guilt on its adherents.

    Yes, and the brother using this in his talk is a man that I knew would rather go golfing than help his elderly mother with her lawnwork.

    DanTheMan,

    "Suffer for the Trooth - It's Good for You".

    Unfortunately, it is the nice ones that suffer and the a$$holes get away with it.

    Maverick,

    After-all they're just women, who cares what they think or feel.

    That’s right, it you aren’t possible candidates for MS or elders, or at least mike carriers, why waste the time. Maybe, if they have minor male children, elders might make an effort.

    Pistoff,

    Why in the world would a woman or man put up with physical abuse?

    Why not, since they are already conditioned to put up with the spiritual abuse at the KH.

    Blondie

  • worldlygirl
    worldlygirl

    You're right Blondie!! I went to the meeting yesterday with my JW husband . . . just like to keep up with what the cult is doing. They sure know how to put a pretty spin on things. I had to share this, though:

    During the Watchtower, when they got to the questions "Relate a situation in field service where mildness has been successful" (or something like that), one lady in the audience raised her hand to comment. Here's what she shared: She was working a parking lot one day with a sister who was SUCH A GOOD WITNESS that she made a big scene so the police would arrest her so she could "give a witness" to them and to others at the police station. Ummm, okay, (uncomfortable looks from everyone), I guess she misunderstood the question. Then the Watchtower Conductor had to say "well, okay, but that's not really what we are supposed to do." Then he had to ask the question again, and the same lady raised her hand again - I guess she had something to add. Of course, he called on someone else and I was SO disappointed!!!

    THEN, there was another question in the section about religiously mixed marriages and a Sister commented: "sometimes women want to control their husbands if the husband is an unbeliever so they don't submit to his headship as they should, so he leaves and it is the Sister's fault" WHATEVER! Didn't even answer the question, I think she was just trying to score some brownie points with her MS husband. Anyway, after that comment the elder Watchtower Conductor (who knew I was there and I have told him before that the term UNBELIEVER really pisses me off!) went off on a tangent about how the Watchtower teaches not to refer to non-JW spouses as UNBELIEVERS because they may feel that they believe, just in a different way. I really couldn't believe he said it! There were a few other uncomfortable looks around the room, but I just said "Thank you very much!!" under my breath.

    Worldlygirl

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