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Wolfgirl
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WT: Practice What They Preach?
by abbagail inthis watchtower excerpt was on the silent lambs guestbook page.
the wording is so crystal clear, you wonder how they got so off track with the sex abuse?
fwiw, i found this very very interesting indeed... grits.
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THINGS I WITNESSED AS A WITNESS!
by soylibre in1.suicide--knew three people personally who took their own lives... 2.mate swapping--(literally) two couples...the two who committed adultry together got married and df'd and the two innocent ones married each other...poor kids were completely screwed up...:(.
3.plenty of adultry!.
4.lots of alcoholism....knew one sister who used to drink first thing in the morning...even before meetings.... 5.domestic violence...battered wives...some married to elders... 6.child abuse...the worst of all... 7.and believe it or not...knew several jw's who were murdered.... and they call this a spiritual paradise???
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Wolfgirl
2.MATE SWAPPING--(LITERALLY) TWO COUPLES...THE TWO WHO COMMITTED ADULTRY TOGETHER GOT MARRIED AND DF'D AND THE TWO INNOCENT ONES MARRIED EACH OTHER...POOR KIDS WERE COMPLETELY SCREWED UP...:(
I know of a case like this in the area I used to live in as well. Very strange.
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WT: Practice What They Preach?
by abbagail inthis watchtower excerpt was on the silent lambs guestbook page.
the wording is so crystal clear, you wonder how they got so off track with the sex abuse?
fwiw, i found this very very interesting indeed... grits.
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Wolfgirl
Sure isn't what happened in my case.
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Put these words into a sentence..LIFE,MESS,IS,MY,A
by kat7302 inhave you ever noticed how you seem to go from one mess to another?
without going into the details just yet....i have just spent the last 6 months getting my head together and getting back on my own two feet after leaving my husband and i have now managed to stop myself in my tracks and f**k up once again.
i dunno what to do.....im feeling pretty low and desperate at the moment and worst of all....lost.
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Wolfgirl
Some good advice given there...this is between yourself and the man in your life. (I hate using the word "boyfriend;" it sounds so juvenile.)
Do what makes you happy. I spent my entire life in the organisation, and was never really happy. I left to be with my now-husband, and I've never been happier. I feel genuinely content.
An unexpected child is a difficult situation, but I'm sure that if you both really love each other, you can overcome it. He made choices as well, and if he's DF'ed, well, so be it. He made the choice to be with you; he must be happy with that.
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POLL: New to This Board? Please Sign In Here!!
by Seeker4 ini don't get to check this board as often as i'd like, but i have noticed that there seems to be a huge number of new posters here.
every day that i get to check out a few posts, i notice new names.. so, just a polite request.
if you've just started posting here in the last few months, would you mind posting a quick note on this thread?
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Wolfgirl
New here...posted my "life story" in another thread. Shortened...disfellowshipped for admitted immorality. Father (who used to be an elder) abused me; elders in his hall said he could stay an elder because the abuse happened before becoming a JW, even though he lied about it for 20 some years. Wasn't until I told them they were no different than Catholics that some of his privileges were taken away. (He had stepped down as an elder on his own; they tried to convince him to remain an elder, since he was such a good one. Yeah, hypocrites make good elders.)
Am just now learning the things that were hidden from me. Very interesting.
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Help me out here....
by Wolfgirl inok, i'm new to this site.
i'm currently questioning a lot of things.
i do not want to be "preached at" by either side; that'll just make me leave.
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Wolfgirl
Will do...I'm in a questioning sort of mood.
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JWs Are the Cleanest People on Earth
by comforter inone benefit that jws get from being jehovah's people is the knowledge of good hygiene.
before i came to be a witness, i did not think it was important to brush my teeth thoroughly or wash under my arms real good and use deodarant.
i also tended to be a pack rat with a messy car.
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Wolfgirl
Me thinks someone is pretending here. Am I the only one to notice how comforter's grammar comes and goes depending on the post? Seems that someone is trying to sound like they're from somewhere other than where they're really from.
Sorry, but people are people. There are no "cleanest people on earth." Some are clean, some are dirty. Some bathe/wash more than others. No organisation can say that that their people are the cleanest, because we're all different.
Besides, where's the proof? If you're going to make a claim like that, where are the studies to back it up? Statistics? Surveys? Or is your proof simply that you have been told that you are the cleanest people on earth? Ah, OK...long ago, people were told the earth was flat. Must mean that it's true.
Didn't you all see the sign?
*points to sign*
Please do not feed the trolls. They are on a specific, regulated diet. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Help me out here....
by Wolfgirl inok, i'm new to this site.
i'm currently questioning a lot of things.
i do not want to be "preached at" by either side; that'll just make me leave.
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Wolfgirl
Wow...that was quick! Loads of reading to do...thanks guys.
I should probably add that even though my husband has studied the Bible and knows what it says, he is probably one of the least religious people you would ever meet. When he sent an email to my sister saying that he didn't understand how any religion could separate family, since the Bible says that 'he that doesn't care for his family is worse than a person without faith,' she never responded. When I questioned her on her lack of reply, she said my husband was rude to her and hurt her feelings. She didn't know I had seen a copy of the whole conversation, because he bcc'd me. He was respectful and never once rude. Oh well.
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IT JUST DEMONS .....PART 2
by ugg infor those who read....and also responded to part 1,,,,,,yes,,,,i have seen a medical doctor..... i am on antidepressants and will see the psycologist for the 3rd time this friday....she is a nice.
lady....it has all been very hard,,,,as you know,,,,to say anything against the organization,,,,even if.
it is the truth,,,,is a grave and deadly sin....so my conscience has hurt.....my husband has allowed.
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Wolfgirl
I was looked down upon for seeing a psychologist for dealing with abuse issues. It was the best thing I ever did in my life, apart from marrying my "worldly" husband.
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Help me out here....
by Wolfgirl inok, i'm new to this site.
i'm currently questioning a lot of things.
i do not want to be "preached at" by either side; that'll just make me leave.
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Wolfgirl
OK, I'm new to this site. I'm currently questioning a lot of things. I do NOT want to be "preached at" by either side; that'll just make me leave. I just want plain, simple facts.
A little bit about me...
I'm disfellowshipped for immorality. I freely admitted that I was having a sexual relationship with my then-fiance (a "worldly" man). According to the Bible, sex before marriage is wrong. I have no problem with being disfellowshipped for it. What led up to it....
My first husband was studying when we first started dating. We married very shortly after his baptism, and I was privately reproved a couple of times for dating him. Long story short...he was not all sweetness and light, and no one would believe that he got off on dominating me in bed. Some friends later (not JW) went so far as to say that what he did to me was rape. He also played mind games with me. The elders said it was my word against his. Fine. I divorced him, which they counselled against. When the elders came to our house to see us, the first words out of one's mouth were: "So Lisa, what's your problem?" To be fair, the other cringed when he said that. One was fair to me and said they couldn't do anything because it was too personal and that there was no way to prove what had happened. Which was true.
Anyway, I divorced him, and had one of those rebound flings. I think I was rebelling. Stupid "relationship." Met and fell in love with a wonderful Englishman. We had sex before marriage. My ex-husband, who was stalking me at the time, told my family I was involved with another man. He must have told the elders as well, because they came over. I told them it was true, and that I wasn't going to stop. They were pleasant, and asked if I understood I would have to be disfellowshipped. I said I did; I didn't really care.
At the same time all of this was happening, my repressed memories were returning to me. My father, who was an elder, had sexually abused me. That's not to mention the physical and emotional abuse by both parents. My mum pressured me to tell her what was wrong, so I did. She didn't believe me, naturally, but questioned my father. He admitted to the abuse. He told the elders (from his congregation, different than mine) that night. He wanted to step aside as an elder. They said it wasn't necessary because the abuse happened before he became a JW; it didn't matter that he had lied for over 20 years about it. He stepped aside anyway, but he still had all his other privileges. It wasn't until I wrote a letter to the elders asking, among other things, how they could say they were any better than the Catholic Church if they allowed this sort of thing to go unpunished, that he lost some privileges. They said they didn't do anything before that because there was "no public outcry" about what he did. *rolls eyes*
My long-lost aunt (because she is also disfellowshipped) just recently found me in an online search. (She lives in the US; I live in France.) She is the one who told me some things I hadn't heard before, such as the UN thing.
Can someone please provide only solid facts here for me to see? I don't want the shadowy, conspiracy-theory sort of things. Just proof of whatever you know of that can give me something to base future decisions on.
Ta.