I love "They cultivate the fruitage of God’s spirit."
How in the world can you cultivate something you don't have? (The entire chapter of Romans 8)
saw this on jwtalk they were putting down apostates and posted this quote:.
watchtower 1982 3/1 p. 8. .
identifying marks of true religion .
I love "They cultivate the fruitage of God’s spirit."
How in the world can you cultivate something you don't have? (The entire chapter of Romans 8)
take a look at this.
it's hard to imagine that leader of the free world; mr. obama sat and listened to this lunatics teachings for 20 years.
what trustworthy person would listen and accept this blatent nonsense for 20 years?.
extremists often don't start out that way..
this is like a terrible satire of an austin powers movie..
if you've been to the meeting when the letter was read, what was jw reaction????
just curious if it was just another sign that the end is nearer or did any wake up for a second to realize the corporation is downsizing due to costs..
JW's wouldn't know what the good news actually was.
did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?
i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.
does he touch on this in that book?.
Thanks ~Binadub for your response. Have a good one!
what does the bible really teach?
using only the bible, can you prove - 1. who the 'other sheep' are?
2. the context of john 10:16?
@ DJ
" 6. that our own death wipes out our sins?
Romans 6:7 indicates that by our own death, we are "acquitted" of our sins."
Pure hogwash. The context of Romans 6:1-14 clearly indicates the aquittal of sins occurs when you are spritually born-again, but I doubt any JW has actually read Romans, let alone are truly born-again.
Romans 6:1-14.
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace."
Furthermore, Jesus refutes your idea at John 5:28, 29, a favourite JW prooftext :
" Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment."
Obviously, if your sins are acquitted immediately upon your physical death, you wouldn't face a resurrection of judgement, now could you?
Yet another to disprove this false JW idea is Hebrews 9:27, 28 :
"And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him."
did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?
i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.
does he touch on this in that book?.
Having both the nature of God (Jesus is a exact copy/representation/image of God) and the title/position of God (Jesus) is different than Satan simply having the title of God, but not the nature, or rightfully receiving/sharing the worship/glory/honour. That PDF on the Father/Son Relationship admits that Jesus has the nature of God and the title of God, but can't admit to worshipping two beings that share the nature of God. I mean, if you're a polytheist, that's fine. Just come out and admit it :)
I can't see Jesus being Michael. Heb 2:5 says that God didn't subject these things to an angel, but only to his Son.
did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?
i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.
does he touch on this in that book?.
I'm not a trinitarian, but this is a pretty good non-trininatrian (but long) treatise on the Father-Son relationship, found from the xjw.com site. However, the author doesn't go so far as to identify who he thinks Jesus is. He says that he has the nature of God etc, but differentiates him completely from the Almighty/Father. Of course, for Jesus to have the nature of God, even post resurrection, goes against the whole of the Hebrew scriptures, where only Almighty God is God, and no one is like him, in any sense. The OT YHWH is a jealous God who doesn't share honour, glory or worship. Yet, along comes the Son, and that dynamic changes completely.
did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?
i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.
does he touch on this in that book?.
Sort of off-topic, but for those x-jw's (Like Raymond Franz, and others in this thread) who believe in the deity/divinity of Jesus, but not the Trinity, how do you reconcile there still only being one God?
she has 4 kids.
the father of her kids sees them every two weeks.
i am not sure if it is a good idea for me to ask her out.
4 kids at 25? sweet lord, that's a huge lack of BC right there...