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Divine Plan As Seen in the Great Pyramid: Now on Google Books
by cabasilas ingoogle books now has up russell's book: the divine plan of the ages and the corroborative testimony of the great pyramid.
it's a special edition that combines volume 1 of studies in the scriptures with the chapter from volume 3 on the great pyramid.
i believe this edition dates from about 1912 or so.
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JCanon
JCanon,
Where is your information from that Jews financed Russell?
Paul
I posted the link above. Russell BRAGGED about having financiers. In the link above I gave they claim it was B'nai B'rith... Here's that reference. Maybe you can Google some more sources to confirm this. But, it is a FACT he was backed by somebody. The report says it was B'nai B'rith connected with the Rothchilds. So it that is not accurate it would be someone else. That has to be considered in the context of the WTS being very ZIONISTIC. Remember "Zion's Watchtower"? Maybe some Zionists wanted another Christian organization supporting Zionism. That makes sense. Russell definitely was pro-Zionism. So good luck in your search to find more specific substantiation but there doesn't seem to be much pointing anywhere else. I mean, the WTS was called "ZION'S WATCHTOWER"!!! So if he was being financed and paid, one would expect he would have an agenda that was compatible with their own. So... I personally have had no reason to suspect anything other than this. I discovered the financial support first and then found supplemental confirmation who it was. I've seen no rebuttal to these claims. So.... Who else would finance them? Who else had an interest in ZIONISM? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw.htm Let me know if you find anything contrary and I'll be glad to review it and include the alternatives or amend/modify my position. Thanks. JC
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Divine Plan As Seen in the Great Pyramid: Now on Google Books
by cabasilas ingoogle books now has up russell's book: the divine plan of the ages and the corroborative testimony of the great pyramid.
it's a special edition that combines volume 1 of studies in the scriptures with the chapter from volume 3 on the great pyramid.
i believe this edition dates from about 1912 or so.
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JCanon
It is already well known that the Jews totally financed Russell to become whom he became
I stopped there. Please don't turn this thread into an excuse for anti-Semitism.
Sorry. I didn't mean all "Jews" but Jewish money. I should have said, "it is already well know that Jews financed Russell..." Jews are associated with Freemasonry and it was B'nai B'rith that financed Russell! Russell bragged about not needing to collect money because he had wealthy backers. That's why Hitler focussed on JWs because they were connected with this secret Jewish money.
Check out this webpage. Not as PROOF this is true but that it is publicized to be true:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw.htm
Charles Taze Russell was a Satanist, a pedophile according to his wife, and a friend of the Rothschilds. Indeed it was the Rothschilds who funded the Jehovah's Witness operation into being, along with other Illuminati bankers, through "contributions" by organizations like the Rothschild-controlled B'nai B'rith. This was proved in a court of law in 1922. One of the key people involved in this was Frank Goldman who later became President of B'nai B'rith. Why would an organization set up (in theory) to help Jewish people and promote the Jewish faith, be funding into existence the Jehovah's Witnesses??? I think the name Rothschild answers the question. Russell was also a high degree Freemason and Knights Templar. He promoted Zionism, another Rothschild creation...
So again, I apologize. I should have said "Jewish backers" and not "THE Jews" which would be anti-Semitic. Thanks for the correction. I will correct myself and be more specific in later references.
But you can't get around the connection with the Illuminati, world banking, the "protocols of zion" (fake or not) that the Jewish issue is right in the middle of all this occultism and Kabbalism, etc. Plus, Russell was Jewish!
These are the COMPLAINTS and ACCUSATIONS out there against the WTS. Hard to dismiss as simply nonsense when the first President of the WTS is buried under a pyramid!! And there is a "Jewish" connection, sorry.
JC
JC
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Divine Plan As Seen in the Great Pyramid: Now on Google Books
by cabasilas ingoogle books now has up russell's book: the divine plan of the ages and the corroborative testimony of the great pyramid.
it's a special edition that combines volume 1 of studies in the scriptures with the chapter from volume 3 on the great pyramid.
i believe this edition dates from about 1912 or so.
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JCanon
Thanks. Amazing.
But ominous. Once BTG/Freemasonry/Illuminati are targets of the UN to be destroyed as a "cultic" religion, they can clearly claim that the WTS was created and based on the occult Mysteries. It is already well known that the Jews totally financed Russell to become whom he became and the links with Satanism and Freemasonry continue to haunt the WTS.
I found this thumbing through some of the posted pages.
In the Bible the schematic reference to Christ is the square and the cube. Thus the 144,000 are represented schematically as a perfect cube with all equal sides. This relates to the 12 stones on the breastplate of the high priest, with three stones per side. Satan, on the other hand, is decorated with nine stones, three less than Jesus Christ. So schematically Satan is represented in different aspects of the triangle and the pyramid, but also the circle. So symbolically it is Satan as the triangle and circle versus Christ the square and cube.
Thus this pyramid represents more than just Satan as the all-seeing eye at the top. It represents a triangle dominating a square. Satan tries to conquer Christ. That's the main theme expressed in dozens of ways in Freemasony. So even though it is possible to create a pyramid using just three sides, four sides are used to show the dominance of the triangle over the square. Likewise, even the main symbolism of Freemasonry shows the superiority of the triangle over the square but also the circle over the square, since the symbol of the compass (triangle, circle) is above and cuts through the square.
Mithras killing the bull is another symbolism of Satan killing Jesus.
In the Bible if the four atributes of LOVE, POWER, WISDOM AND JUSTICE were divided between the two covering cherubs in symbolism, where man represented love, the bull represented power, the eagle represented wisdom and the lion repesented justice, Satan leans toward the wisdom and justice (knowledge and legalism) and Christ love and power. Thus the Lion versus the bull is symbolic of Satan versus Jesus. The lion is associated with both Lilith and Mithras, of course.
Also, in terms of the sexes, Christ was considered married to Satan. Thus Satan and his followers are called the "woman and her seed" that would be opposed to Christ and his seed throughout the times until Satan is killed and cast out of heaven. Thus it was to Jesus Jehovah said: "I will put enmity between YOU (Christ) and the WOMAN (Satan) and between your seed (Christ's followers) and her seed (Satan's followers). And to Satan Jehovah pronounced: "You (Satan) will bruise him (Christ) in the heel and he(Christ) will bruise you (Satan) in the head." So another Freemasonry symbolism is the crying virgin mourning over the broken column. The broken column represents, Christ and the virgin goddess, Satan. Recall that in the mythology of Mithras, though he kills the bull, he is very sad to kill the bull, just as the women cry over the dying king in pagan Canaanite cult, and the virgin cries over the column cut down.
So it is the same subtle theme, over and over and over, how Christ is set out to dominate and destroy Christ. In alchemy the sickle is used to cut off the feet, loosely representing how Satan is to bruise Christ in the heel. Of course, the ankles and legs function as a column to the body upon which it stands so cutting down the column represents cutting off the feet of the Messiah, "Achilles heel" likewise representing where Satan strikes.
So quite typically of the Mysteries. Just like paganism invaded the early Christian Church and turned into a form of Babylon the Great by introducing all these mythical symbolisms the Catholic Church has, including worship of the Virgin Goddess, Mary, the Jews financed Russell to corrupt the new organization being formed as the Bible Students. Only instead of introducing candles and statues, it corrupted it with more subtle Satanic symbolisms related to Freemasonry, such as pyramidology, the winged-sun disk, etc. Notice that the "woman and her seed" is represented as VIRGO, the virgin, who holds the branch. The branch represents "seed" or lineage. Thus the "woman and her seed" represents Satan's rebellion in another form. In the Catholic Church it is the Maddona and child. Notice above the virgin crying over the pillar is holding a branch. That is just Satan and her seed. Even when Satan is represented in the form of a tree, the lights on the tree represent the fallen angels that come down from heaven to join Satan.
But the WTS moved away from the overt symbolisms of Freemasonry and the pyramidology eventually, into a more subtle reference to Satan as the Tower Goddess. Thus the pyramidology connected with Satanism moved to the representation via her symbol as the Watchtower:
Here is ARTEMIS (SATAN) as the Tower Goddess. Notice the Lions on her shoulders.
So the WTS definitely has members into Freemasonry and occult Satanism. Russell wasn't burned under a satanic pyramid for no reason (i.e. some claim he is not buried at his grave site but in some Satanic ritual buried under cement and bobbed wire under that pyramid. ?? I can't prove or disprove that.)
But in the end, they are just as much BABYLON THE GREAT by their form of Satanism as the Catholic Church is with its more overt images and Virgin Worship.
Finally, and most unfortuntately, as every kind of human expression there is, in art, in the sexes, in everything, when Satan represents himself ethnically or racially, it is white versus black. The sons of light versus the sons of darkness, where Satan takes on the role of the sons of light, thus LUCIFER the illuminated/illuminating one, versus Christ. Christ in heaven as well as Jehovah have hair like "fine wool", thus they would appear on modern culture as blacks with neatly molded "Afros". Satan is beautiful and fair like a Scandinavian. Those are incidentals, but Satan uses that to express his superiority over Christ. That's because EVE, through whom Satan worked her evil was white and Adam was black. Thus some of the infanticide sub-themes in Canaan and in Israel as they adopted the pagan customs was genetic cleansing. They would kill and often eat the darker children so that as generations continued the complexion of the nation would become lighter. The Canaanites were children of Ham and thus dark complected, but they aspired through genetic cleansing to become fair.
Below is an early Canaanite motif showing the Lion (Satan) killing the black child, which morphed into the lion killing the bull and then Mithras killing the bull.
Thus the most effective and ugliest and lowest form of Satanism shows up in whiite suupremacy expression, such as Naazism. Gog of Magog (the white German children of Japheh) is used by Satan to destroy the Jews during the Holocaust. Which finally addresses another cultic subtheme.
That is, when BROTHERS and sibling rivalry are represented, Satan is the fair and elder son CAIN the farmer, whereas Christ takes on the younger and darker son Able who is killed by his brother out of jealousy. So consistently Jehovah chooses the younger brother over the older. He chooses Jacob over Esau. Or the younger prodigal son over the older faithful son. So that kind of got switched because ordinarily the firstborn is the favored. But Jehovah shows he chooses the one doing his will, not just the eldest. So also when OLD vs NEW is compared, Satan is what is old and ancient which opposes what is new. The white son of Noah, Japheth is the elder son, but Ham the younger son. Thus the white elder son has a mission to oppress the younger dark son. Thus racial politics are used to make whites rich off the slavery and oppression of people of color, etc.
It even has anatomical meaning! How? The PENIS. The foreskin of the penis and the head of the penis represent Satan and Christ. Satan is the foreskin covering over the head of the penis which represents Christ/faithful mankind. Thus the ritual of circumcision, to remove Satan from being over mankind on the 8th day. The 8th day being the 8th Creative Day. Thus circumcision is a promise to mankind to remove Satan from over man, including the Son of Man, Christ Jesus, by the 8th Creative Day. Thus circumcision is done on the 8th day!
Here's my vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX4GiQL0fyc
Sorry, didn't mean to write a book on occultism.
SUMMARY: My read on this exposure of the WTS as just another Christian sect corrupted by Freemasonry like Catholicism, links it very directly with being BTG and thus when the UN comes against "religion" and especially cultic religion, JWS will be a target. They even have a YouTube claims that the WTS is the actual secret head of the Illuminati! Just do a YouTube search of "Fritz Springmier, JWs and Illuminati."
All the "subliminal art" issues in the WTS publications and especially Russell buried under the sign of Satan's dominance over Christ, the pyramid, tells us the WTS is being used and is part of an occult, secret world connected to Satanism and demons. So... When they as the "false prophet" are destroyed when the UN destroys BTG, it will be well deserved for all their spiritism. And to think JWs think they are in a "normal" Christian religion!!! Some do. Obviously the cultic practicing Freemasons know the whole story.
JC
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JCanon
What's JCanon smoking these days?
Something my Native American Indians handed down to me, maybe? I apologize, but there was a lot of coded information in that message for different "occult" readers... if you get my drift. JC
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Neo-Creationism
by 5go ingreat article on wikipedia.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/neo-creationism.
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JCanon
I believe the bible says the Messiah will not only fulfill prophecy but will prophecy! What are your prophecies JC? And will they satisfy Terry? carmel.
PROPHESYING doesn't meaning hearing something directly from God but teaching understanding of what is already written. Read the definition of "prophesy." Thus the WTS is called a "false prophet" not because it comes up with something NEW not in the Bible, but because it misexplains what is already written. So if your reference is to the messiah "prophesying" it is in relation to understanding scripture, more accurately in particular than the "Rich Man", the GB of JWs. So if you teach understanding of a certain thing in the Bible that comes under "prophesying." Per the "Insight" book under "Prophet" the definition is: "One through whom divine purpose and wil are made known." Which is right on point. But even so, I do have some "new stuff" that is not in the Bible that I reveal. Even though I don't think it is truly prophesying. For instance the Bible does say "some standing here will not see death before I arrive" which means some from the 1st century were to survive down to our day, including John and Paul. But the REASON for this in scripture may not be that apparent, so I explain part of the reason is to rebuild the 12 tribes of Israel so that 10% of those 12 tribes can fulfill the 12,000 from each tribe to make up the 144,000. This is only 10% of the whole number though. The 144K make up the "root" of the kingdom (Isa. 6:13). So that's kind of not in the Bible. Plus I reported the physical appearance of Paul when I saw him, who is rather dark and not typically Jewish looking at all. Only to discover he was considered "Egyptian" in antiquity (i.e. Josephus). So that was fun that the Paul I saw matches his ancient description. So there are a few things that are not in the Bible that I provide. Or the "sign of the son of man" which was prophesied to actually appear, Jehovah provided me with a photo of it. That's sort of extra that nobody has but me related to everything. So maybe you could say I'm "prophesying" in this way, but still it is based on something in the Bible. But, is anyone but the JIOR paying any attention? Probably not. Not that that wasn't God's design to do this all under the radar until it is at a point of no return. When the messiah is revealed to the world in a clear-cut way, then Armageddon immediately occurs basically. Most of what he does when he first comes is totally as a "thief in the night." JC
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JCanon
Well, as much as I hate to go ESO (esoteric) on this.
This is definitely a SUBLIMINAL message from the WTS. You know how the Jewish language gives names to people that mean something? Usually related to Jehovah? Every name means something. Like Elijah means "My God is Jehovah" or "Elimelech" means "My God is King."
Well the Indians are just like that: Sitting Bull, Flying Dove, Big Horse, etc. It's a similar cultural "spirit" compared to other cultures. Thus a potential connection between the Jews and these native Americans.
Now 10% of the kingdom has to be natural Jews per the Bible. Isa 6:3. 12,000 from each tribe. That's impossible over 1900 years after Christ when all the genealogy records would be lost. So Christ chose some from each tribe to survive down to our day and the marry into the modern population. That way sufficient ones of the 12 tribes would be around for the 12,000 to be chosen from. Well, turns out apparently they were instructed to marry into some of the isolated nations of peoples, including American Indians, South American Indians, Polynesians, certain African tribes, etc. so that the reconstituted ten tribes of Israel, ethnically, would have the face of these rather indigenous peoples.
So that's the secret reality. This tract thus, to the JIOR, indicates the WTS understands this. It knows that the ones surviving from the 1st century who marry into the modern population married into these native groups of people. It might be to hide the identity of the new Jewish tribes but also because these peoples had a connection to God through nature, a connection the Bible itself acknwledges by which he would be perceived, perhaps by other than the Jews who had a direct connection and the Bible.
So there is a connection between the focus of these native kinds of people and religion and choosing these people to reconstitute the 12 tribes of Israel and this is being acknowledged in subtle ways, like this tract that doesn't make too much sense besides suggesting to a Native American that their religion and belief in the Creator God is the same God of the Bible. Which it is. But it is very different than they would normally approach. They are actually acknowledging that the Native American tribes already worship Jehovah in their own way and now they can improve that by joining the witnesses.
Anyway, there is some connection between the original Jews and some of these Native American groups.
It all seems nice on the surface, but because the WTS is the Evil Slave now, this seems to be a message to their secret Freemasons or whomever that Native Americans or Mexicans are more likely to be newly anointed ones or whatever and this new focus on them is not benign. It is as if Satan, somehow, found out that the 1st Century Christians in reconstituting the 12 tribes purposely bred among these "naturalists" and now he's saying, I'm going to focus on them now in some sinister way, not that it will prevent anything based on the kingdom from happening, but that they know the Native Americans are more directly connected to the Jews now than before. It's like that sleeping black child in the hand of Christ is sort of telling everybody that they know about that symbolism and they know what that symbol means.
In a way, it is sort of like Darth Vader of "Star Wars." He knows the "ways of the force" and uses that insider information. It is as if a JIOR member has defected over to the evil slave. Like Judas betrayed Christ. Maybe there is a version of this happening now. As the messiah, I come through the line of Joseph but that connection comes through my Native American Indian ancestry. How do I know? Because I met my 1st Century ancestor recently. Just like I saw Paul and John, I saw my 1st Century ancestor who belonged to the tribe of Joseph and he looked very Native American mixed with white, so I knew which side of the family he came from.
So this tract is not just a passing curiosity on the JIOR/spiritual, subliminal message level. This confirms that the WTS understands that connection, or at least that CHOICE to marry into these isolated tribes to recreate the 12 tribes of Israel in modern times. In a way it is an insult, therefore, at one level that they are saying they are focussing on converting these groups specifically meaning Satan is going to focus on corrupting these nations in some way. In some way, basically they are a special TARGET of the WTS, the Illuminati, because they understand the potential of who the neo-12 tribes likely are. Of course, it is too late now because the 144,000 "natural Jews" have been sealed. But is is clear if the WTS is now focussing their preaching efforts on the Native Americans, it just means they know a higher percentage of Native Americans, Polynesians and other tribial peoples are going to be of the anointed at this time. But just because they know about it doesn't mean they can do anything.
But it does affect us, obviously, how much Satan's organizations actually know about the kingdom, that is the demons.
I guess it is no big deal at this point, since nobody is likely to believe me here, not that it matters, that there was an intent that all the reconstituted 12 tribes be specifically among the non-white nations. Satan has a focus on the white nations to corrupt them with Nazzism and white suppremacist concepts, which is very effective. Thus Gog of Magog is the nation that desolates Judea in modern times, the Germans in WWII during the Holocaust. They are more likely considered the "Rich Man" in scripture as well, with the note that it is very difficult for a Rich Man to get into the kingdom. The 144,000 are "virgins" to the corrupting concept of the pagan Mysteries which are racial in their tone. That is, the competition and fight between Satan and Christ works out within humanity to focus on the oppression of blacks by whites. Sorry if I'm offending anyone but..
The images of antiquity of the Lion killing the bull, or Mithras killing the bull or the Lion killing a black are all ultimately about Satan opposing Christ. Christ being represented as the bull and Satan as the Lion. Note Mithras is connected with the Lion and when Jesus arrives at the second coming a young bull is sacrificed for the wedding feast, etc.
HERE IS LILITH, DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND SATAN WITH HER LIONS AND OWLS
So basically, one way to get a high percentage of persons who are not corrupted by racism is simply to choose a non-white. When I say "racism" I speak specifically of the cultic racism of the Mysteries which was to have the white children dominate the black childen. In heave, Jesus and Jehovah would appear to be "black" to most people today. The Bible describes him as having hair like "wool" which means he has an "Afro", much like the Jackson-5 used to have when they first came out. Jesus likewise has hair like wool and a complexion like copper. So in heaven they are both "black" appearing. Even though, if you mix a black person from Africa and a white person from Scandinavia that person will appear to be "black", only not dark. So in reality, Christ and Jehovah are mullatos, half white and half black, but that appears still to be "non-white." But Satan is white as far as his ethnic appearance in heaven. Thus that aspect of the opposition of Satan to Christ and Jehovah has taken on the ugly tone of racism and that is an effective way to oppress and supress. Thus part of the tenent of Freemasonry is to create crisis in the world making it necessary to exterminate the non-whites in the world leaving a one-world government and society of all whites. You can look this up in any number of "conspiracy" theory groups. Their utopian society, therefore, is the "perfect" person, the "master race" etc. which will be defined as someone white, just like evolution and the "Origin of the Species" shows whites as the last development of the advanced state of evolution, with blacks as the race next to the apes, etc.
So all that to say this, for those who have read down this far, for the 12 tribes of Israel, they were bred into non-white tribes so that they are 100% safe from the influence of Babylon the great, considered to be a harlot and thus "women." How can you succumb to Nazzi propaganda if you're not actually white? Gog of Magog again attacks Jesus and the anointed at the end of the 1000 years. So it is a counter measure by Jehovah to limit the affect of the Mysteries influencing the 144,000 among the hybrid 12 tribes by having them breed only among the non-white nations. Not just Europeans but also not among the other very white nations such as the Japanese and Chinese who are "white" as well.
But that doesn't mean they can't get into the kingdom otherwise, as 90% of the kingdom are among the gentiles and indeed many whites are in the kingdom, obviously. But the 144,000 natural Jews are bred specifically among non-white nations just as an edge against Satanistic racism. Obviously, Christ himself (me) is immune to that aspect of racism because I'm black. A black person is just as immune to Nazzism as a gay man is to a beautiful woman.
So all this is part of the "game" back and forth of Jehovah vs Satan. This racism thing is just one level of it. It's Jehovah's intent to exclude all racists from the kingdom and to make it doubly hard for them to respond to the Christ when he does come.
In the esoteric world of Satanism and Freemasonry, Eve is white and Adam is black, so there is a concept of that, that those of superior intellect, the white children of Cain, opposes and kills and hates his more "natural" and "native" black brothers whom God sees as more genuine since their sacrifices are more "emotional." Thus Jehovah saw Able's sacrifice greater than that of cain. The shepherd vs the farmer. In antiquity this competition shows up as the farmer versus the shepherd and that just means the white man versus the non-white man. Whites tend to be farmers and blacks normads and tribal people, less concerned with owning land, less concerned with farming, etc. I know this is an overgeneralization but that's the stereotypical reference.
Now I didn't plan any of this, I'm just reporting a version of it as I understand it.
In the garden the wisest and most cautious of the beasts was the serpent who used to have legs and thus could stand upright. In Freemasonry the SERPENTINE "shape-shifters" are clearly a reference to the superior intellect of whites. So the serprent was caused to be cursed so that he eats dust. So "what is high has become low and what is low has become high" in the kingdom. It's the "collateral damage" aspect of the kingdom, just because Satan used the serpent to tempt Eve. So in Satan's world, where he inspired whites to become educated and to be high minded about their gifts of intellect, in the kingdom they beome the lowly ones and the gays and blacks are the ones who have the highest positions in the kingdom.
So the competition between me, the earthly Christ versus the earthly Satantic antichrist, JWs is this intellectual game going on. So the WTS is telling me they know about the 12 non-white tribes of neo-12 tribes among non-white indigenous nations. It's just the WTS trying to get on my last nerve and show now they are 100% opposed to me and God's kingdom since they are kicked out, without anything, not even a "drop of water." They have become the modern-day "Judas" class. Once inside, now a betrayer and opposer and anti-Christ. But, of course, they like Satan will lose and be destroyed in the end. Satan's goal is to make use of his remaining time to do as much damage as he can. That is is only legacy, to kill any whom might have been chosen. But some are sheltered from Satan's usual inducements, such as racism.
So this "focus" on Native Americans is potentially BOGUS on many levels from my point of view. It just shows the WTS is vexing its Satanic methologies and knowledge and flaunting it in front of me, like they flaunted the "sleeping black child's face" in the Revelation Book.
Of course, you think, maybe why hasn't the Illuminati killed me yet or anything. Well, they have tried on three occasions that I know of and each time it was a mugging or robbery set up or something like that. Not an overt assasination. But perhaps that was planned or would have been but before it gets to that point, Jehovah kills that person before anything can happen. You know? Like it is very suspicious that right down to the wire, I write the WTS as the "watchman" on November 10, 1992 telling them they are basically "disfellowshipped" and cast out of Jehovah's Heavenly organization. They were always expecting the prodigal son gay black messiah to show up, that is apparent in their subliminal artwork. But at that time, the GB would have known precisely who I was, even before I did. So not saying I have any evidence of this, but like in Jesus' day, even driven by fear there might have been some effort to try to have me killed before I became the messiah. The Bible does say Satan tries to devour the child as soon as it is born. That is, as soon as the woman gives birth to the chosen one. It does not become the messiah until caught up to God when Christ in heaven combines with the human messiah. So that's a very vulnerable time. We also know the UN is able to "kill" the two witnesses for 3-1/2 days before the second coming; however, that was accomplished. I don't know. But they would have known my congregation, what area I was in and could have sent spies to watch every member of the congregation. Thus the second coming was far away from the area of Arcadia and Monrovia where I was living. But, then president Fred Franz died on the 23rd of December, just 2 days before the second coming event occurred. At that time, also, the WTS was an active member of the UN.
So I'm thinking, maybe Franz was now more actively coordinating interference or perhaps facilitating an assasination attempt that might have gone into effect or about to give an order to step up the "interference". Remember, if you can just PREVENT the event without killing the would-be messiah, that is just as effective. But when you get down to the wire as a last alternative that might have been the plan. But Jehovah killed him before he could implement that and that little 3-1/2 day window is when the second coming event took place, after which it was too late to prevent it. They stopped the "two witnesses" but didn't actually stop the second coming transmigration. The death of Franz perhaps interrupted logistics in that regard, which is an assumption we must make if we follow the Bible.
Anyway, such is my world. I guess the WTS knows my ancestry via the tribe of Joseph is trough my Native American tribal roots, which they are. They are opposing me on YouTube as well with the same vegeant counter-intelligence. It's amazing. Same old dumb routine. Pro-JWs will aggressively oppose those attacking JWs until they start losing ground or start to think that they might actually have to deal with a Biblical false teaching at which point they insist upon you telling them your JW status. If you're DF'd or DA'd then they immediately claim they can't carry on the discussion any more and then block you! It's such a joke. But some rather effective workers on YouTube directly aimed at limiting my influence block me from the very beginning. I have to log on anonymously to read their vids.
So it's definitely a war of the minds between me and the WTS who feel betrayed by Jehovah and Christ at this point. They have become bitter and so seeing they are going to get destroyed, they figure, like Satan, they may as well go out with a bang and not make it any easier for me to accomplish what I need. But no biggee, I've got plans of my own to trip them up and it is already prophesied that I will win, because I am "King of Kings" a name written even on my "thigh" (i.e. my dicck! oops, I mean my penis - Rev. 19:16).
BUT FOR THE OUTSIDERS LOOKING IN: This should be an indication to you that the WTS is up to games and that the anointed among them the apostate anointed already know that the 12 tribe of Israel reappear in modern times in these native , non-white tribes. So take note, the WTS is by no means the honest and innocent leaders they claim they are. They are steeped into Satanism and the Mysteries. This is just part of their jive. A jive so deep, like most things Satanic, it can't be rationally defended. We SUSPECT like 9/11 is a complex scheme but no proof. It is reasonable to think that the US set it up to get into war with Iraq, etc. We see this, but can we prove it? No. A good conspiracy cannot be disproven. We "feel" that perhaps the government was involved in the Kennedy killing, that's apparent. But their tracks were well covered. That's how it works. Do it "in plain sight" so the world will look on in amazement and suspicion but not understand all the deeper meanings of these things.
So believe me or not, but the Native American "focus" is by no means peripheral to what is going on in the spiritual realm in the fight between Christ and Satan.
JC
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Neo-Creationism
by 5go ingreat article on wikipedia.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/neo-creationism.
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JCanon
Thanks. Interesting.
This battle is very apparent on YouTube. I suppose this is a new front for me but I have a different kind of ammunition with the claim of being the messiah and fulfilling prophecy in 1992. It's wierd because in a way, it's easier to explain the chronology and doctrinal imagery to an atheist than to Christians who have their own pre-conceived ideas. Like in the case of JWs, where they see in Revelation the woman running from Satan when she gives birth to a son and they imagine this woman must be in heaven because its too obvious if she belongs to the earth and thus represents Christ's followers on the earth that the child born must be of the earth too. So they ignore the obvious. But for an atheist who has no position of interpretation, has to accept the obvious and cannot contradict my interpretation.
The new agument though is, sort of: "What can an atheist say to Moses?" Moses, like myself, have seen and spoke with God personally so our concept that God is real is direct. That's different than many Christians who just have faith in the Bible or believe there is a god because they can see his creations. Talking with god and fuilfilling prophecy is another level. So the question is, can an atheist actually contradict my experience? No. All he can do is claim I'm crazy and block me from commenting further as one has already done. My position is that if they actually look at the Biblical evidence that I am proven the messiah in that way and with the constellation of fulfilled prophecy they will not be able to defeat my position. So it should be fun.
Thanks for the post.
JCanon
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Jeremiah and the 70 years. Jewish exile or Babylonian rule?
by digderidoo ini have never until a few days ago been able to reconcile the 70 year prophecy with the 587/6 bce date for jerusalems destruction.
although a post was about this in a previous thread by a@g , i would like to explore this more.. when the 70 years are applied to babylonian rule, rather than the jewish exile everything seems to make sense.. to ellaborate for those who haven't come across it, this is how 587/6 does match the 70 year prophecy.. i hope a@g doesn't mind but i have cut and paste his post:-.
the 587 date does match the bible.... (jeremiah 25:11) 11 and all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of babylon seventy years.".
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JCanon
Hi scholar. I'm only posting this for other readers and not you since I can see we are misunderstanding each other.
No, Josephus and the Bible agree as to the fact that the seventy years began when the Temple, Jeusalem was destroyed and the land emptied of its inhabitants by the seventh month 607 BCE. Jeremiah 44 simply refers to those Jews who had fled to Egypt to escape the Babylonian armies but they too would not escape. The seventy years did not begin in the 23rd of Neb but in his 18th some five years earlier whereby Neb took Jewish captives not from Judah but from surrounding territories.
This is what Antiquities 10.9 says:
ANT 10.9. the twenty-third of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, he made an expedition against Celesyria; and when he had possessed himself of it, he made war against the Ammonites and Moabites; and when he had brought all these nations under subjection, he fell upon Egypt, in order to overthrow it; and he slew the king that then reigned (16) and set up another; and he took those Jews that were there captives, and led them away to Babylon. And such was the end of the nation of the Hebrews,
Jeremiah 52:30 says the last deportation was in year 23.
The Bible calls those who were not killed in Egypt, those who "escaped from the sword" or those who were left remaining from the sword. Further Jer 44:14,28 clearly shows that those who had escaped from the sword in Egypt would return to Judea, few in number.
14 And there will come to be no escapee or survivor for the remnant of Judah who are entering in to reside there as aliens, in the land of Egypt, even to return to the land of Judah to which they are lifting up their soul[ful desire] to return in order to dwell; for they will not return, except some escaped ones.’”
28 And as for the ones escaping from the sword, they will return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah, few in number; and all those of the remnant of Judah, who are coming into the land of Egypt to reside there as aliens, will certainly know whose word comes true, that from me or that from them.”’”
Note at 2 Chronicles 36:20 that it is the ones remaining from the sword that are deported and are to serve the 70 years:
20 Furthermore, he carried off those remaining from the sword captive to Babylon, and they came to be servants to him and his sons until the royalty of Persia began to reign; 21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.
So Josephus notes the there were Jews deported from Egypt in the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar. The Bible reports there was a 23rd year deportation as well, and notes those deported were those "remaining from the sword" which is a reference to the last remnant of those who had been in Egypt.
The Bible says that all the Jews who were scattered about had returned to harvest summer crops and says nothing about any Jews scattering after that. The idea that the WTS has about there been Jews in surrounding areas is a presumption and invention by the WTS because they believe they need to have the land totally desolated the same year Jerusalem falls. So they ignore the historical reference of who were deported in year 23. They ignore the last official group of deportees.
You see, the 70 years of the land paying back its sabbaths is the primary reason for the 70 years. The Jews serving at Babylon was just where they would be while the land lay desolate.
But, of course, there is a bigger problem here for the JW theory of the land of Judah being empied but not the surrounding area. You see, the ENTIRE LAND had to be desolated, not just Judea. That's why the surrounding city-states like Tyre and Ashkelon were destroyed as well, because they were on the land as well. So BOTH the Northern and Southern kingdoms had to be desolated to pay back the sabbaths. It was not just the land of Judah. Therefore, even if the Jews had scattered about in the surrounding area, the land would not have been desolate and begun to pay back its sabbaths.
That the entire land of both the northern and southern kingdoms was significant to the 70 years is found in the 390 years for the 10 tribes and the 40 years of error for Judah. That amounts to 39 years for each of the 10 tribes and 40 years for Judah, a total of 430 years. If you divide 430 years by the agricultural sabbaths the Jews were supposed to keep, you get 70 years. There were two kinds of sabbaths; the 7 year sabbaths and the jubilee on the 50th year.
430/7 = 61.4 430/50=8.6 61.4 + 8.6=70
That is why Jehovah also had the surrounding nations deported as well since the land would not rest with those nations still present.
The fact that the mourning for Gedaliah began 2 years after the fall of Jerusalem proves he died in year 20 and thus the Jews were still harvesting crops the next year after the fall of Jerusalem.
So that's the information. Everybody can interpret it the way they wish.
ARCHAEOLOGY NOTE: Of note, the Bible says that the destruction of many cities, including Ashkelon would take place, but that their destruction would follow that of Jerusalem. Archaeologists have determined that a period of desolation of Ashkelon, they estimate between 70-80 years occurred which they attribute to Nebuchadnezzar and that destructive level ended with the beginning of the Persian Era. So there is some archaeological support for the Biblical 70 years. This would contradict scholars using the shorter Neo-Babylonian Period if you follow the Bible that says Ashkelon was destroyed after Jerusalem was. Right now archaeologists date the destruction earlier during the reign of Nebuchadnezzar 2.
JCanon
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Jeremiah and the 70 years. Jewish exile or Babylonian rule?
by digderidoo ini have never until a few days ago been able to reconcile the 70 year prophecy with the 587/6 bce date for jerusalems destruction.
although a post was about this in a previous thread by a@g , i would like to explore this more.. when the 70 years are applied to babylonian rule, rather than the jewish exile everything seems to make sense.. to ellaborate for those who haven't come across it, this is how 587/6 does match the 70 year prophecy.. i hope a@g doesn't mind but i have cut and paste his post:-.
the 587 date does match the bible.... (jeremiah 25:11) 11 and all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of babylon seventy years.".
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JCanon
Scholar JW:
The two references in Zechariah to the seventy years refers to that past historic period as this is the only view that makes sense otherwise you periods all over the place and how could a Jew living then or a person living now have any means of knowing what time period is in question.
Again, you propagandize a false concept as bad as Carl Jonsson does. JOSEPHUS (remember him?) begins the 70 years with year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar, the last deportation, as does the Bible. The land was not desolate until after the 23rd year as Jeremiah 44:14,28 clearly note the Jews remaining from the sword would return to Judea. This is what Josephus reflects.
Therefore, the Jews would have still been in exile under Darius the Mede 70 and 72 years after the fall of Jerusalem. Thus there is no conflict.
The ONLY conflict comes when the Bible is ignored and the 70 weeks prophecy is not dated to 455 BCE, and Josephus and the Bible are not followed first to expand the NB Period by 26 years. The VAT4956 agrees with both the "relative" chronology of the 70-year interval from year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar to the 1st of Cyrus as well as the "absolute" chronology of dating the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE since year 23 falling in 525 BCE means year 37 must likewise fall in 511 BCE.
Therefore, the Jews still in exile in years 2 and 4 of Darius the Mede makes perfect sense.
Ezra 6:14,15 is a direct reference to how long Darius I ruled, which was only six years and that Xerxes and Artaxerxes were the same king when you compare Daniel 11:2. So the Bible does not agree with either the Neo-Babylonian or the Persian Periods. The Witnesses claim that when the Bible and secular chronology contradict, that they always choose the Bible. They do when they redate the 20th of Artaxerxes to 455 BCE from 445 BCE. They attempt to do this to represent the 70 years of sabbath desolation dated from the 1st of Cyrus back to 607 BCE which they date to the fall of Jerusalem, even though the Bible and Josephus start the 70 years with the last deportation. But they ignore the Bible when it comes to dating the 1st of Cyrus in 455 BCE to fulfill the 70 weeks prophecy, falsely claiming the walls were not rebuilt until the time of Nehemiah when Ezra 4:12 clearly says the walls were "finished" during the reign of "Artaxerxes" (Bardiya-Smerdis). Plus the Bible clearly says there were homes in the city as well, indicating the "city" was rebuilt along with the temple. Thus claiming the "word to go forth to rebuild Jerusalem" was not fulfilled by Cyrus is dubious.
Martin Anstey, who wrote "The Romance of Bible Chronology," however, was faithful to scripture. He was willing to face the contradiction of 82 years of revised Persian history in order to remain faithful to the Bible and have Cyrus fulfill the 70 weeks prophecy. Now he has been vindicated by the VAT4956, as well as other archaeological research supporting a short rule for Darius I and that Xerxes and Artaxerxes were, indeed, the same king.
So everything is a mess if you use the uncorrected chronology, or you ignore Josephus' 70 years from the last deportation to the 1st of Cyrus, that also contradicts the shorter revised NB Period. But when you correct the chronology, everything works out perfectly, even in the distant future since the second coming dated to 1992 based upon 529 BCE is the same year you get when you add 45 years to 1947 to fulfill the "1335 days" prophecy.
Trying to harmonize the Bible with the revised chronology simply doesn't work. You can't switch-hit and use a secular "pivotal date" that is just as wrong and every other date in the entire timeline and then claim you trust the Bible's history and chronology if the contradiction is too big.
JC