"Never a "shaker & a mover" among the GB." Not so fast. Once I got to the lower dinning room early and noticed Knorr and Fekel talking. Fekel was pointing his finger at Knorr and dressing him down in no uncertian terms. YIKES. Knorr just stood there and said nothing. Charlie would be shocked if he could see how the GB has become.
mann377
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What Really Happened (Back Then) With The False Teaching Of 1975 Among Jehovah's Witnesses?
by 1975JWExpert ina close comparison of two distinct paragraphs written in the watchtower magazines .
.. the july 15th, 1976 watchtower magazine quote:
"but it is not advisable for us to set our sites on a certain date... if anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of god that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.
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mann377
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What Really Happened (Back Then) With The False Teaching Of 1975 Among Jehovah's Witnesses?
by 1975JWExpert ina close comparison of two distinct paragraphs written in the watchtower magazines .
.. the july 15th, 1976 watchtower magazine quote:
"but it is not advisable for us to set our sites on a certain date... if anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of god that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.
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mann377
I find this discussion very interesting. So I tought I would throw in my two cents. I was a press operator at Bethel from 1972-1976. I printed the September -76 Watchtower, also the Awake. This was at the Watchtower Farm. I sat next to Bud Sullivan at the table at the Farm. He was in charge of the service department for many years until he retired and was sent to the farm. I had many discussions with him about various people at Brooklyn. He was not kind in many of the remarks about different ones on the GB. As far as all the talk about 1975. I remember in October of 1974 we were reminded that we were in the 1975 sevice year and were to expect some big changes and happenings (this was at the breakfest table). The expectation about 1975 was at a fever pitch in some places as the factory overseerer told me to run an extra 17,000 copies of one issue of the Watchtower for on congergation in Texas. I about fell over.The only person I knew on the GB was Charlie Fektel (my table head in Brooklyn). Charlie was a very good and humble man and I still have great respect for him (RIP). He came to Bethel in 1918 and told me stories that would raise the hair on your head. I sat next to Fred Franz at Squibb for about a month (strange person, red plaid shirt with green strip tie?). I also spent alot of time with Fred Barnes as a friend (anyone hear of the "day of the three Freds?).
I know I got off subject but couldn't help it.
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BadAss Bethelites, did they really peak in the 1960's?
by was a new boy inin the 70's a bethel elder told me that every morning in the 60's the paint and scaffold crew, (which was located on the 5th floor of building 4) would go up to the roof and walk around the perimeter on top of the ledge, which i doubt was more than 12" wide.
then they'd go render sacred service to jehovah..
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mann377
Sometimes they were refered to as "Potlickers". Pressmen were sometimes refered to as "animals" . Pressmen had a very different additude than the regular factory workers. Somte Bethelites would climb up to the towers at the Towers hotel and go around the columns on the tower at the roof.
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Bombing of convention
by mann377 ini heard that the convention in india had a bomb go off and kill two people.
a former jdub..
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mann377
I heard that the convention in India had a bomb go off and kill two people. A former Jdub.
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What is Self-deception?
by Kosonen ini googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.
it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.
and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.
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mann377
There are no bigger fools than those who fool themselves.
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JWs mental health
by Hellothere indo they have any kind of mental health arrangements at bethel?
i mean to help jws with mental problems.
like a psychiatric.
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mann377
When I was at Bethel in the 70's there were several brothers that had some serious mental issues. They were given a ticket home. If the infirmary can't handle it ....you're gone!
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Were the bethelites disappointed when they moved out of Brooklyn?
by GabeAthouse inanyone know of anyone who was serving at the time of the move?
i know a few former jw's who were at brooklyn who have told me that the actual bethel experience was kind of a drag but it was kinda cool to experience living in nyc for a couple of years.
i visited a relative who was serving, years ago and went into the apartment he shared.
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mann377
Can't speak for anyone else but when I was transferred from Brooklyn to the farm back in '73 I was a bit taken back. Thinking I would be in the middle of no where. After about four months I bought a car (went home for a vacation and bought it). It was great to have the freedom to go all over the place. Many times I would just go after work and drive in the mountains (the Gunks) and watch the sunset. Every time I walked past my car I knew that was my transportation out at any time. Having that freedom was intoxicating.
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Is the Bethel Farm in Wallkill Co. still there?
by Etude ini've been out of this loop (or any other) for a while.
can someone tell me if the bethel farm facilities are still there in wallkill county, ny?
i was there for about a year.
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mann377
Were you there 73-76? The only work I did for the farm operation was farm 2. I worked with the cattle on weekends. I knew how to ride a horse and tend to the feed lot. Loved working with "Slippers" the cattle dog. Through a series of whistles she would cut the herd and bring a cow back. Yes I knew that they would put the Gilead students on the farm waiting for them to be shipped to there assignments. Funny thing about that is one night I was working late working on a friends car in the shop and went back to the #3 residence building to take a shower and go to bed. While taking a shower about 4 Gilead sisters came in the bath room. I could hear them laughing and were trying on cloths etc. I had the shower curtain closed and thought "am I in the wrong bath room or are they?". When they left (45 minutes later) I got out of the shower and looked to the left and saw the urinals. So I knew I was in the right place but the sisters must have seen the urinals as I did since they are the first thing you see when coming in. Wonder what the Bethel office would say if I had jumped out of the shower while the sisters were there?
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Is the Bethel Farm in Wallkill Co. still there?
by Etude ini've been out of this loop (or any other) for a while.
can someone tell me if the bethel farm facilities are still there in wallkill county, ny?
i was there for about a year.
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mann377
I knew Dan Myers. I was at the farm from 73'-76'. I was a press operator and was a on my own as a factory worker. Dan was a "pot licker" in every since of the word. He was in bulk rapping when I knew of him. The one thing that escapes the overseers at Bethel is that everyone there is a VOLUNTEER! You done treat volunteers like they owe you something.
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Have You Been “Gaslit”?
by minimus ingaslighting is a form of sustained manipulation that causes the victim to question or doubt their sanity, judgment and memories.
it’s a form of emotional abuse.
i think jehovah’s witnesses have been gaslit.
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mann377
Just a note on Knorr. He was a businessman foremost. He did not have that deep of Bible knowledge. His talks were written by someone else. His ego was big, very big. You have to understand his Penn Dutch background when talking to him. He would stop by my press at Watchtower Farm ever Wednesday morning when he came up. I knew his family (inlaws, etc.) learned a lot about him. Also learned a lot about him and Franz from Bud Sullivan (retired head of service depart) when I sat next to him at the table (at the farm)
When speaking of gaslighting and the WTBS you need need to realize all cults use this MO on the people.