TRUTH or OPINION--which is it when the Governing Body speaks?

by Terry 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • jwleaks
    jwleaks
    So charismatic was Russell’s persona, many Bible Students began looking at him as more than just a man. These people characterized him as the last prophetic messenger.

    The Laodicean Messenger from Revelation.



    Well written Terry.

    You wrote in a comment:

    Russell specified that the Society was to never publish another journal, meaning they could only publish The Watch Tower, which is why when the Judge began to publish The Golden Age, he did so against Russell's wishes, and he published it under a different name.


    Technically the Watch Tower Society never published another journal, they merely hold the copyright. Rutherford circumvented this part of Russell's will by using a corporation he himself set up, the People's Pulpit Society (later name changed to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York), to print and publish.

  • Terry
    Terry

    I mean if God doesn't exist and our 70 years are simply futile then what is the point? Why carry on at all? Why not just end it now? Anyway I'm digressing. Thanks all. This whole thing blows my mind, and it blows my mind that I never saw it as a R&F member for so many years.....
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    We only get the wrong and scary ideas when we ask the wrong questions and accept the easy wrong answers!

    If we are very lucky--life is what we make of it. Barring accidents or bad luck, we can build a wonderful life in pretty much the same way a wonderful house is built. It takes planning and hard work and an excellent location.

    I look at the idea of GOD dispassionately now.

    How could an intelligent Supreme Being not go insane floating in the middle of nothingness for zillions of eons?

    Then, unable to NOT exist--incapable of suicide--he creates dinosaurs for millions of years and watches them eat each other?

    See what I mean? Silly!

    There are enough wonderful people in this world who help others with kindness and generosity that we can emulate and become useful to others as well. There is nothing more satisfying than reaching out to a person in need. You can visit hospitals, volunteer, get involved in community charities--the list is endless. Let's face it--life is not all about ourselves. It's just hard not to become occupied with tickling the fancy of a super-invisible-deity and hoping he'll give us flowers and wine forever.

    Silly, like I said :)

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    I guess one could say the WTS expressed its own opinion of " The Truth " .

    The WTS. and its leaders have spent decades pointing out other Christian based faiths as being false interpretive teachers of the bible and the themselves as true and accurate interpretive teachers of the bible , that's why God has supposedly chosen them by their own acknowledgement.

    If one really examines the bible with an open critical mind we can see the WTS made up a whole slough of false teachings on its own, much concerning Jesus's heavenly throne positioning (1914) , the professed End Times , the disregard of Jesus's own admonishing for his true followers to not make a time on god's own sacred time, the no blood doctrine etc. The WTS's opinions went recklessly away from the bible on many instances.

    It would appear that the WTS leaders were bent onto setting up their own earthly Kingdom as it were with all the assuming power and control unto themselves and forgot about the bible's instructions for preaching the Gospel.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Being a JW is like having a Microsoft operating system. The updates keep coming to plug the holes.

    (I'm really enjoying the liberation of my Chromebook! Solid state drive is like Warp Factor drive:)

  • atomant
    atomant
    The manmade and self appointed GB are a problem within themselves and this has a ripple effect right through the organization.The members of this sect need to start asking questions and stop being sheeple yes sir no sir.
  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The problem is atomant is that questioning is strongly looked upon as disloyalty and evil, this is Jehovah's chosen organization after all so the power is there to control dissension and elders are on a constant watching and listening for any vocable questioning of doctrines.

    In the JW faith there is an overwhelming presence of fear on many engaging levels.

    The WTS uses and emulates the same aggressiveness that the ancient Hebrews did to people who voiced any discretionary apostasy, shut them up by killing them if necessary.

    The WTS cant kill people due to secular laws but they can identify certain people and place a shunning policy abruptly over them as a means of enforceable punishment.

    Fear drew in the people ( Armageddon soon ) now fear sustains abstract obedience to the doctrines and any directives that are created by the WTS's leaders.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Okay Mr. Anointed Governing Body Elder, tell me EXACTLY

    Q: How you KNOW what Jehovah wants "channeled" into the Watchtower?

    1. J. F. Rutherford, Preparation , Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1933, page 64, 67, "Enlightenment proceeds from Jehovah by and through Christ Jesus and is given to the faithful anointed on earth at the temple, and brings great peace and consolation to them. Again Zechariah talked with the angel of the Lord, which shows that the remnant are instructed by the angels of the Lord. The remnant do not hear audible sounds, because such is not necessary. Jehovah has provided his own good way to convey thoughts to the minds of his anointed ones ... Those of the remnant, being honest and true, must say, We do not know; and the Lord enlightens them, sending his angels for that very purpose."

    2. Watchtower , December 1, 1933, page 364,

    "Without doubt these angels are delegated by the Lord to convey his instructions to the members of his organization on earth. Just how this is done is not necessary for us to understand."

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    Question: Who should genuine Christians worship according to this perfect "Truth" comes straight from Jehovah through YOU, His mouthpiece?

    1. Watchtower , November 15, 1939, page 339: "Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah"

    2. Watchtower 1954 Jan 1 p.31: " "Should we worship Jesus?
    Consequently, since the Scriptures teach that Jesus Christ is not a trinitarian co-person with God the Father, but is a distinct person, the Son of God, the answer to the above question must be that no distinct worship is to be rendered to Jesus Christ now glorified in heaven.

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    Thank you for obscuring our previous confusion!

  • Terry
    Terry

    Early in history, humans made humble offers to the gods to curry favor and (perhaps) to bribe them.

    OFFERINGS of food, prayers and even blood were used to convince the supernatural realm of a sincere desire to negotiate favor and protection.

    We all know this already, don't we?

    If a human being has the desire to worship God, what could possibly stand in the way?

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    STEP ONE: Wooing a deity : offer something to God in return for a benefit.

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    It didn't take long before some very smart people decided to take advantage.

    A new job description was invented to fill a need: THE GO-BETWEEN.

    What could be better than having an expert working for you as a negotiator in your efforts to persuade the gods?

    Shaman, medicine men, witch doctors, magi, witches, and Priests suddenly created for themselves a cushy, powerful job description!

    INTERCESSORS could make the claim for themselves: "GOD will only communicate through me."

    A little fast-talking, magic, mumbo-jumbo combined with planting FEAR worked wonders to get gullible, superstitious people to listen and believe.

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    STEP TWO: WORK THROUGH A HOLY MOUTHPIECE

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    How did this con job work?

    Easy!

    Instead of making your offering or your sacrifice or your prayer petition DIRECTLY to your favorite feared deity---you gave it to GOD'S OFFICIAL INTERCESSOR: the Priest!

    In Israel, a highly profitable job was held by the Levites. You brought them only your finest (they were no fools!) unblemished sacrifices and the Levite

    performed the mumbo-jumbo ON YOUR BEHALF.

    Why couldn't you do it yourself?

    Oh no-o-o-o-o! That would be dangerous because--you see--there were lots and lots of detailed regulations called KOSHER laws. Only the official priests

    knew how to avoid breaking these ridiculous laws! It was so-o-o-o complicated--better leave the job to professionals, or else!

    **

    What happened was this:

    You brought your sacrifice and the work was done FOR YOU. You were allowed to believe YOU WERE FORGIVEN by your God.

    Peace of mind for you and lots of delicious meat for the Levites!

    The Levites could turn around and sell or trade the blessed products for their own benefit. NICE BUSINESS, eh?

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    STEP THREE: Establish a sense of FEAR and GUILT and lay on complicated rules, regulations and laws!

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    What prevented skeptics from accusing the Go-Between of "fraud" and petty larceny?

    That's easy!

    The job of Holy Mouthpiece carried with it an insurance policy when things didn't go so well. Instead of blaming your local Holy-Joe, the Holy-Joe

    could turn it around and use a disaster against the people.

    GOD PUNISHED YOU for too little faith!

    How did this con game work?

    If things go well: it is because the Holy Man is doing a good job!

    If things go disastrously: it is because the people are faithless and needed punishment.

    (A side bonus: more sacrifices and more trust in the Holy Joe were demanded!)

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    STEP FOUR: TAKE NO BLAME, BUT ACCEPT ALL THE CREDIT

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    When the Romans destroyed the Priest business for the Jews what happened to the Holy Mouthpiece business?

    Christianity went through hard times for about three hundred years.

    Why?

    Christians needed no "priests" but only prayer and a penitent heart to obtain favor with God.

    Yipes!

    Things were back to how it was in primitive society, with each person trying to obtain favor (using the magic word: "In Jesus' name . . ."

    Eventually, the con job began anew, however. The Christians were running around martyring themselves and disagreeing over what Jesus

    was or how things should be done.

    THE CHURCH came along under the unifying authority of the Roman Emperor, Constantine.

    A new swindle was rigged!

    NEW RULES were drafted, crafted and enforced under a hierarchy of HOLY MOUTHPIECES! The Pope and the Priests and the Cardinals stepped in.

    Lone Ranger Christians were no longer permitted!

    You could ONLY be forgiven if the Magic was performed.

    What Magic?

    The Priest could magically change wine into the BLOOD of Christ and the holy wafer into the FLESH of Christ.

    A new kind of perpetual SACRIFICE SCAM with go-between hucksters went into business!

    If you didn't take care of your local Church and Priest, no magic forgiveness for you, Buddy!

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    STEP FIVE: DON'T FORGET TO TIP YOUR HOLY WAITRESSES!

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    Christianity was so simple for almost one thousand five-hundred years. You went to Mass. You took the magic blood and flesh, you confessed your sins and the holy-mouthpiece Priest told you to say your "Hail Mary" prayer and sometimes you did penance.

    But, the Chruch and the Priests got greedy, greedier, and greediest.

    The Holy-Mouthpiece business corrupted awfully.

    How awful?

    So awful, even the ignorant peasants knew they were being screwed by crooked Priests!

    How did the scam work?

    You went to the Priest and paid him a nice fee and the Priest granted you a "holy indulgence". In other words, GOD LOOKED THE OTHER WAY as you committed adultry, or stole, or killed or . . .

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    STEP SIX: BECOME SO CORRUPT EVEN IDIOTS CAN TELL THEY'RE BEING TRICKED

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    Well, an APOSTATE monk named Martin Luther threw a real monkey wrench into the scam of the Holy-Mouthpiece racket.

    Apostate Luther posted on the Internet of his day (the door of the Cathedral) a list of CORRUPT PRACTICES for everybody to see.

    Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!

    Don't you know there was lots of disfellowshipping (Excommunication)?

    Oh yes!

    But, corrupt Holy-Mouthpieces don't like being exposed. Oh no.

    A BIG CRACKDOWN was about to commence the likes of which would make history!

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    STEP SIX: STOP APOSTATES NO MATTER WHAT!

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    Have you ever heard of the INQUISITION?

    The Church fought back hard against APOSTATE critics. They appointed Judicial Committees to root out apostate disloyalty.

    Inquries were made! All so-called faithful Christians were required to report anybody suspected of apostasy.

    Suspects were rounded up and treated . . . harshly!

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    STEP SEVEN: DEMAND LOYALTY OR ELSE!

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    And so it went.

    By the time we work our way through history we see a pattern over and over.

    A simple believer in God is not allowed to worship privately. Oh no.

    A gimmick is used to instill doubt and fear and rules are made to require ORTHODOX worship under the authority of some nitwit who claims

    to be the HOLY-MOUTHPIECE.

    This scam has found a particular instance among Jehovah's Witnesses.

    It is called the GOVERNING BODY.

    The GB will not allow Christians any private conscience to worship Jehovah.

    They have claimed unto themselves THE TRUTH. Everybody else's ideas of worship are labeled false and devilish.

    THE GOVERNING BODY will not listen to anybody's thoughts, ideas, or opinions EXCEPT THEIR OWN.

    For these 2/3 majority vote versions of TRUTH they demand absolute LOYALTY . . . or else.

    The GB don't even listen to other members of the anointed!

    They have no humility because they are scammers, frauds and flim-flam artists.

    The GB are working the oldest con-game in history as THE MOUTHPIECE OF GOD

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  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Well written, Terry.

    Ironic that the Governing Body, a group formed to - for all intents and purposes - keep one guy's increasingly unhinged ideas from too deeply undermining the WTS's credibility...

    ...ultimately undermined said credibility themselves, as a direct result of the increasingly ruthless tactics used to keep that credibility from being undermined.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    All of the GB men and the founding presidents of this organization were guided by their own ignorance and their subsequently acquired delusions of whom they self identified themselves as.

    One of the head leaders of god's solemnly chosen earthly organization out of 8 million people sounds pretty good.

    That's quite the positional power for an average guy to perceive and once its realized all of what that position contains as far as financial support, travel around the world to further self support their lofty positions and it gets even more alluring.

    Listening to most of the talks given by the GB today and you can still see ignorance, imposing delusions and self supporting corruption, emotive fear mongering, all exercised to sustain what they are consuming.

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