Independence Day

by rebel8 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Happy Independence Day to those in the USA.

    I can't help but think of our own personal struggles for freedom today.

    "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."1

    --Thomas Jefferson

    It's too bad the colonists didn't take the opportunity to use this new freedom to completely separate religion and politics. http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel03.html

  • truthseeker100
    truthseeker100
    Happy independence day Rebel8. Nice quote from TJ . As far as separating politics and religion, you can't, they are the same thing.Their adherents are either bible thumping proselytizers or godless atheists. Given the times they lived in your founding fathers were wise men.
  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    Happy Independence Day to you too and thank you for Thomas Jefferson's quote!

    BTW the Father of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, James Madison, also was very adamant about keeping Church and State separate, so at least two colonists (and many more) were leery of religious leaders trying to "unduly influence" their followers. Have you read James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments to protest passing a bill to fund religious leaders through taxation?

    History has many lessons for those willing to do some research. Too bad many people would rather watch reality TV.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • GrreatTeacher
    GrreatTeacher

    Anyone watching fireworks tonight?

    By the way, the JWs I grew up with always watched the 4th of July fireworks. You would've thought it would have been a no-no because of it being a patriotic holiday, but no.

    They make the rules and break the rules.

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    I never watched 4th of July fireworks as a jw--it was forbidden.
  • StrongHaiku
    StrongHaiku
    Happy belated Independence Day! And, if you are an ex-JW no matter what country you are in, every day is "Independence Day";-)
  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower

    Yeah gaining independence is good but then we went on to rob the native Indian's of their land and put them on reservations so, so much for freedom blah blah blah. What good is economic freedom/taxation without proper representation from a master power when we use it to enslave our fellow man whom we consider inferior like we did during slavery of the black man, and slaughter of the Indians gathering in desperation at Wounded Knee/ghost dance.

    I always remember it is a "national" holiday and there for an agenda to keep the lemming proudly marching off to war for freedom no less.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6RjP7MlXk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PQj-NHp83A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0zpemMUow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSz-9JkavI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIqxBajeHeM

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