Don't Be Surprised At WTS re B. Bowen!

by ISP 4 Replies latest jw friends

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  ISP

  How can you be?

  Remember Ray Franz? He got DF'd why? Because he had a meal with a 'DA'd' individual! Recall that the WTS brought in treating people that had DA'd themselves as DF'd just to boot Ray.

  As I recall when Ray got asked to leave Bethel he took up residence with long standing friend Peter Gregorson who later wrote a letter to his local cong. saying he did not want to be associated with them any longer. Upto that time people had written letters like that albeit infrequently but there was no repercussions. That was to change. Within 6 months the WTS introduced the dictat that 'DA'd' people....that became a title...should be treated like DF'd people. They brought the change/new light to specifically target Ray Franz. So when ray had a meal with his landlord...he was on the charge of associating with a DA'd person! Result....he was DF'd.

  It was simply a measure of their desperation and insecurity.

  Bill Bowen is in good company!

  ISP .
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  ISP

  This is the 'New Light' that the WTS used to DF Ray Franz. It was published 6 months or so after Peter Gregorsons resignation letter. Shameful.

  *** w81 9/15 23 Disfellowshiping-How to View It *** 13 A Christian might grow spiritually weak, perhaps because of not studying Gods Word regularly, having personal problems or experiencing persecution. (1 Cor. 11:30; 14:1) Such a one might cease to attend Christian meetings. What is to be done? Recall that the apostles abandoned Jesus on the night of his arrest. Yet Christ had urged Peter, When once you have returned, strengthen your brothers [who also abandoned Jesus]. (Luke 22:32) Hence, out of love Christian elders and others might visit and help the one who has grown weak and inactive. (1 Thess. 5:14; 15:1; Heb. 12:12, 13) It is another matter, though, when a person repudiates his being a Christian and disassociates himself.

  14 One who has been a true Christian might renounce the way of the truth, stating that he no longer considers himself to be one of Jehovahs Witnesses or wants to be known as one. When this rare event occurs, the person is renouncing his standing as a Christian, deliberately disassociating himself from the congregation. The apostle John wrote: They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us.1 John 2:19.

  15 Or, a person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of an organization whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. (Compare Revelation 19:17-21; Isaiah 2:4.) So if one who was a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he had disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovahs Witnesses.

  16 Persons who make themselves not of our sort by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovahs Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing.

  Edited by - ISP on 1 August 2002 20:22:10
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  messenger

  WHAT! WHAT! WHAT!

  15 " Or, a person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of an organization whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. (Compare Revelation 19:17-21; Isaiah 2:4.) So if one who was a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he had disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovahs Witnesses."

  Can you spell UN?????????

  I must have missed this one,

  "if they become part of an organization(United Nations) whose objective is contrary to the Bible (wild beast)..."

  OR

  "So if one who was a Christian (GB) chose to join (NGO) those who are disapproved by god(United Nations)...he (GB) had dissassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

  It seems once again the rules do not apply to those who run the show...
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  Klaus Vollmer

  the supreme class of self anointed makes laws and rules regarding the daily life.

  But they dont live under those regulars as they claim to be heavenly guided.

  What must that be for a god who on the one hand hates and destructes the UN organisation and on the other hand his earthly tools make policy with the upper class of politicans.

  I remember even that Rutherford went that way. he tried to associate with Nazi-Germany, wrote a letter to the chancellor Hitler and added a "declaration" which was in very harmony with the targets of this evil government.

  Later Brookly declared that the German branch officer Balzereit had falsified Rutherfords letter. So he was excommunicated and never re-installed. in 1998 the WTS declared that Balzereit was innocent.

  But his whole generation was betrayed in his case and only spake worse bout him.

  Do you think that in life time they will change their attidtudes to Bill Barbara and the others?

  I see that those in the ivory towers of brooklyn only do what is opportune at the moment. They say always: Wash me, but dont make me wet. The only one LORD will sharpen his sword of revanche when he starts his judicial action against those on the thrown who does not belong to them.

  You will surely find god in the forests or on the mountains but not in the regulars of men who deny any human capability.
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  professor

  what an excellent point messenger

  Edited by - professor on 2 August 2002 3:59:22