Those who still show up at the meetings, How do you manage?.

by Mr Facts 76 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Gadget
    Gadget

    I've just had another thought about this and want to propse another angle.

    To me there is a difference between the religion/belief of the Jehovahs Witnesses and the organisation. I think the organisation is a cult which is controlling and uses unethical methods of persusion to retain and control its members but differentiate this from the relision side i nwhich people are free to beleive what they want. There are some like the JWRB who recognise this and are trying to change form the inside, making the jw's less cultish and more mainstream.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions
    ---but i cant fathom how any MAN--the head of the household----can continue with the charade of attending meetings if he simply doesnt believe the lies anymore---

    I do not and never have considered myself the "head of the household" just because I'm a "MAN". My relationship with my wife is a partnership, the both of us working together to live a peaceful, happy life. Not sure what this has to do with attending meetings or not.

    I have considered the "nuclear option" and decided against because it would almost certainly cripple me and my family both emotionally and financially.

    To me, "just leaving" would be like waking up in the middle of the night with your house on fire and running straight out the door to wait outside and see if any of your family makes it out.

  • bigmac
    bigmac

    @breakfast of champions--so your ok about staying in your burning house---and waiting to see if your family realise the danger they are in?--and when youre ALL overcome with smoke--what do you do then??

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions
    --so your ok about staying in your burning house---and waiting to see if your family realise the danger they are in?--and when youre ALL overcome with smoke--what do you do then??

    Ok. I'll just leave them there. It's really hot and smoky.

    [I should have know better than to use an illustration/analogy. . .]

  • Miles3
    Miles3
    bigmac
    very true cofty---but i cant fathom how any MAN--the head of the household----can continue with the charade of attending meetings if he simply doesnt believe the lies anymore---if he stays away--and backs up his stance with common-sense reasoning---then he has a slim chance of rescuing his family from the clutches of this evil religion.

    Oh, so not only judgemental, but also bronze age sexist?

    Nobody, man or woman, is the "head" of the househould, unless they're a single parent. Both spouses are free adults, and there's no freaking nead for a "head". Unlike what the Watchtower Machist and Cavemen Society pretends, there's no need for one to have the red button in a relationship, even when the 2 do not agree on something. It's called communication and compromise, no need for a little prick to feel that if he doesn't get the last word his wedding is going to sink.

  • a-dam-man
    a-dam-man

    I used to be the best commenter, best prepared. My change came when we were assigned to a book study with the worst conductor in the history of book studies. After EVERY paragraph, he gave his own answer, essentially restating the entire paragraph. Add to this his maddening monotone. Add to this the fact that he never worked with his group in field service. Add to this that he didn't make sheparding visits. I decided to shut down. I abruptly quit making ANY comments. I still went out in service, but decided that turning in my time was totally unscriptural. So, I quit that, too. Do you want to make a stir? Go out in service, but don't turn in your time. That was the first and only time my book study conductor spoke to me about anything other than the weather. I told him that reporting my time was violating my conscience. Never been bothered since. It drives the elders nuts. Oh, wait, they were already nuts. Now I go to meetings because I fell in love with one of the seats and I want to keep it warm. And I love to talk to the young people and encourage them to use their thinking abilities. Soon, they might figure out the same crap it took me many more years to discern.

  • Retrovirus
    Retrovirus

    Welcome to the forum, a-dam-man!

    Now I go to meetings because I fell in love with one of the seats and I want to keep it warm

    I'm going to enjoy your posts

    Retro

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Hey, A-dam-man!!!

    Welcome to the board!!!

  • Shawn10538
    Shawn10538

    I dopn't know if the problem can be summed up by some false analogy. That's the way JWs think they win arguments, by presenting some analogy and creating a false dicotomy and then nailing you down by saying, for example, "So what is more important, obeying God's command to abstain from blood, or saving your physical body which God can restore? Huh? Which is it? Obey God, or save your physical life?" Real life is not an analogy. And no two things are exactly alike, so no situation in life can be summed up with an analogy.

    But this is the great debate among ex-JWs isn't it? How to fade. How to escape. how to get our family out after we have invested a lifetime indoctrinating them with lies.

    People who stay in and keep going to nmeetings often cite "peace in the family" as their primary value. My sister Patti, who is gay, still goes to meetings and pretends to be a JW when our parents are visiting often cites her great ability to keep the peace.

    But what is more important to you, truth or peace? everyone has to make a stand for one or the other in a JW situation. Maintaining peace requires many many lies. Everytime you go to a meeting thinking in your head what total crap the whole thing is you are lying to everyone. When your kid asks you where we go when we die you lie to them. When your kid asks you if they should get baptised you lie to them. when your wife asks you how you liked the meeting you lie to her. But you keep the peace that way.

    I think it's sort of the same case as when, to use an analogy, a man cheats on his wife. As long as she doesn't know there is peace. once she finds out the marriage would be over. Or if your wife cheats on you, do you want to know? Maybe your kid isn't really your kid. As long as you don't know everything goes on as usual and there is peace. But when you find out you may tell her it was selfish of her to tell you about it. Maybe you would rather not know.

    But some people feel a fire within them that will not let them have peace in their minds until they tell their mate they have cheated. So they tell to purge themselves of the sin and they hope for forgiveness. But that often ends the marriage no matter what.

    But if truth is more important than peace, you will stand up and shout the truth from the mountain tops and you won't care whop you hurt. There is a certain amount of respect a person who lives life forthrightly can feel for themsleves. but often the people around such a person are resentful because he smashed all their dreams. they were happy sleeping and dreaming and he came in thrashing about the place. then everybody hates everybody.

    But I have found that in coming out against the Jws in the brash, harsh way I did, I lost everyone who was a JW. But now I have other frioends that are made of different stuff. I can tell them just about anything: I look at porn - oh yeah? so what? I was arrested once. Oh yeah" Who cares? Or whatever. Those are just two examples I came up with not an admission of doing those things. But my point is, my friends now are COOL! They are just straight up COOL. They are the COOL crowd, and I can talk with them about anything and they are very non-judgmental. Most of them are religious in various ways, some are non religious. One thing I can say about my current circle of friends is that I met most of them in college so they are all educated formally. I think that tends to make people more liberal. It also makes them more interesting to talk to. I'd sell my family members down the river before I'd give up my present friends. My friends ARE my family. And I found out that my family members are not nice people. They are all hateful and pious and proud. They are not loving. They are not smart. Thgey do things like: the one group of people they are non-judgmental about are child molesters, child molestation and incest being rampant in my immediate family - none of the sex criminals were ever brought to justice properly. They stand on corners pushing magazines, they don't celebrate holidays, they have an air of superiority, they look down on the whole world of non JWs, they'd let their children suffer horrible pain to avoid a simple blood transfusion, they are boring people, they don't do ANYTHING but go to meetings, read WT stuff and go out in service... that's their whole life, they can't think for themselves, they are not well read, not critical thinkers... Just YUK all the way arpound. Not people I would choose to hang out with basically. So as the years go by and I get over the grief of losing my mother who I loved dearly and my brothers and sisters and father, well, I see it now as no great loss. I consider them the dregs of society and I am glad to be rid of them. My life is so much better now. I've cried it all out and now I can finally say I have no regrets, well a few regrets, but on the whole, they just aren't worthy of my love. thye proved that. And they don't love Jesus like I do.

    I call it a win win to have left that religion. And they'll never forget it either. I left and turned over tables and knocked down doors and wrecjed the place as I went out - figuratively speaking. I burned it all down. They'll never change. They'll never leave unless a few more members go out the way I did. The family now is so fractured anyway. Even all the JWs aren't talking to one another. Everybody hates everybody else. The non JWs, myself and my brother are the only ones talking to one another.

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