green bay convention/pdfs

by pbrow 3 Replies latest jw friends

  • pbrow
    pbrow

    standfirm, so you want pdf of the new publicatons. So what. So you want to post on this blog/forum/website whatever you want to call it. So what. We dont mind. We want you here if for no other reason than the "1st century organization" thread you started. If you get the pdf you wont help further the jwn agenda? So what. What is the agenda here? I am sure a large majority of people here would have no problem with you or anyone else posting every piece of light the society has put out. We are not afraid of people reading light by the society. Part of the agenda is allowing people a voice that they otherwise do not have in the real world. A voice that if spoken out loud would certainly put in jeapordy lifelong friendships and family ties. A voice that is not spoken of in an authoritative "my way or the highway" but simply an honest expression of "i simply dont believe in 1914/1919" (choose a belief)

    I just read standfirms request for the pdfs at the green bay convention so thats the only reason I put his name in here. It could apply to any society apologist. Any apologist that converses back and forth with "outlaw" and then tries to hammer to death other doctrines that should be followed as presented by the society in my opinion is ..... suspect? (not sure if thats the right word). I havent been here long but Im pretty sure outlaw would be considered an apostate by all my former dub friends. Again, "society apologist" i dont care if you converse with apostates because in fact i dont consider "outlaw" an apostate.

    It just SEEMS disingenious to me thats all. rambling over.

    pbrow

  • yknot
    yknot

    In a small bit of defense of Standfirm

    He is a 'born-in' like many of us and in his mind there is varied levels where he discerns (read-conscious) the WTS goes beyond.

    Thus in his JW journey he presently considers himself a 'defender'.

    So with these levels of discernment (read 'consciousness') he sees no qualms in downloading PDFs of WT material that the Slave has yet to make available or deems to be read only by those 'entitled' through earned privileges.....

    He tells himself that he isn't 'associating' rather he is merely 'defending'.......it is all just self-indulgent circular delusion mind you and we all know it (even he does but something still draws him to the interwebs- while that might be a personal issue seeking to be squelched in forcing himself to defend, lack of a full social life within the congregation or simply because he is at a stage in his life that he needs to do a little male head-butting)

    He fails to see that his interaction on the internet (as that of all who identify themselves as 'defenders')with anyone who is no longer a JW is fuel to the fire. The WTS has warned that such action can be 'dangerous' and isn't 'encouraged'.

    I say give him some space and time on JWN...... the history lessons and insider discussions will only serve to raise his discernment (consciousness) thus making him a better man.

    Huggles

    (btw pdfs/dvd upload probably next week)

  • pbrow
    pbrow

    Hey yknot,

    I got no problem with my fellow sconnie. I also was a born in from the south east wisconsin area. When your ready to wake up your ready to wake up. It will happen, he is already this far for petes sake.

    What floors me is that all these people will be at the convention, a good number with doubts but all afraid to say anything because of the very real consequences with regards to family and friends. I get that. I tell my family that are still in, it all starts with you, one person. If everyone just stood up and voiced the opinion, questioned what needed to be questioned. Make your friends and family prove to you why the dubs were chosen in 1919. Prove it to me. Prove it from the bible why you cant talk to me if "pbrow is no longer one of jehovahs witnesses" Please dear family member show me where the bible says "never talk to the one smoking a cigar/celebrating christmas" Make your family prove it and dont let up. Be tactful but dont back down. They cant do it and they will wake up. All these people who have plaques at home that say "lean on jehovah" just need to do it. He will take care of you. If your friends and family are worth it, you will be able to reach them.

    If the dubs ever get rid of the df/da policy they will be an acceptable religion, no better or worse than all the rest. Stop breaking up families

    pbrow

  • wobble
    wobble

    If the dubs ever get rid of their DF/DA policy, people would leave in their hundreds of thousands.

    The WT/JW religion was established on fear and lies, and is maintained by fear and lies, take away the fear, and the lies become exposed so easily.

    The WT/GB will increase their grip, and will attack faders like me so that we cannot influence any that are still in, they have started already in the July15th WT.

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