Could a 'true' Christian be elected to office?

by ozziepost 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    If one of Jehovah’s Witnesses were to stand for election, what would be the consequences?

    This is not merely a hypothetical question for it has occurred in recent times. See, for example, this thread:
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17723&site=3#217827

    The WTS maintains that Christians are to remain neutral as to the world’s affairs and, hence, to have no part in the political process. Hence The Watchtower of November 1st, 1999 stated “In view of the Scriptural principles outlined above, in many lands Jehovah’s Witnesses make a personal decision not to vote in political elections, and their freedom to make that decision is supported by the law of the land.” (pages 28-9 Questions From Readers )

    Logically the WTS applies the same “principles” to a ban on the receiving of votes i.e. standing for election in the political process. So in the “Flock” book (the Elders’ Manual), a directive is given to elders to formally Disassociate anyone who campaigns for political office:

    “They (Jehovah’s Witnesses) do not interfere with what others do as to voting in political elections, running for or campaigning for political offices….if a member of the congregation unrepentantly pursues a course in violation of his Christian neutrality, he thereby disassociates himself from the neutral Christian congregation” (ks91, page 139,140)

    The Proclaimers book (page 673) gives the following quotes in support of their position:

    “Early Christianity was little understood and was regarded with little favor by those who ruled the pagan world. . . . Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens. . . . They would not hold political office.” (On the Road to Civilization—A World History, A. K. Heckel and J. G. Sigman, 1937, pp. 237-8) “They refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . It was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—History of Christianity, Edward Gibbon, 1891, pp. 162-3.
    Do the facts support the WTS position? Was the early first-century church a community that ruled out political office for its members?

    In the conclusion of the apostle Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, he sent greetings to many loyal and fine Christians in Rome and mentioned them by name. Among them was Erastus, “the city steward”. –Romans 16:23 NWT Other translations render this as city treasurer, and the like. What was involved in being a city steward/treasurer?

    Firstly, notice how the Insight volume obscures the unpalatable possibility concerning Erastus:

    During excavations in Corinth in 1929 Professor T. L. Shear discovered a pavement with an inscription, in Latin, that reads: “Erastus, procurator [and] aedile, laid this pavement at his own expense.” Although it is not known whether this is the Erastus mentioned by Paul, the pavement is believed to have existed in the first century C.E. It has been suggested that the city steward was also Paul’s traveling companion (see No. 1, above). However, since it would have been difficult for Erastus to accompany Paul and at the same time care for his duties as city steward, those who favor this identification generally conclude that Erastus held this official position at an earlier time and therefore Paul refers to him by this title.
    Notice how it is made to appear as though Bible commentators generally hold the position of their last sentence quoted here.

    However, this is not the case at all. The eminent Bible scholar John Stott in his commentary on Romans states that it seems that Erastus was “a responsible local government official. Perhaps he was the aedile, the magistrate in charge of public works….” Stott rejects the argument that he was one of Paul’s ‘itinerant helpers’. (The Message of Romans, 1996 edition, Inter Varsity Press page 402)

    Likewise, the eminent Australian Bible scholar, Paul Barnett, shares the same view and pointedly reveals that Erastus held an elected office, which is what the city treasurer/steward was in the Roman system.

    So who was Erastus? Was he a new convert who was an elected official at the time of his conversion? It certainly doesn’t appear that way.

    Besides, it’s clear that Erastus did not resign his office upon becoming a Christian, nor was he viewed in an unfavourable light by Paul and the congregation. Quite the opposite is the case.

    This makes it quite difficult for genuine Bible students (which Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to be) to justify their harsh stand to DA an individual who partook of the election process.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
    Anonymous

  • JT
    JT

    always keep in mind that wt has 2 sets of rules

    WRITTEN AND UNWRITTEN

    and they interchange them at anytime and in any country

    james

  • freeman
    freeman

    Excellent post Ozzie,

    Not only could and did Christians hold office as you have so well documented here, they also could be and were part of the armed forces. Does not the Bible mention the full convergence of a Roman officer to Christianity? Yep. Was he ever told to renounce his position before his baptism or any time after? Nope. Being no part of the world obviously did not mean a ban on membership in the armed forces, holding political office and logically by extension voting too.

    Freeman

  • LDH
    LDH
    if a member of the congregation unrepentantly pursues a course [b]in violation of his Christian neutrality, he thereby disassociates himself from the neutral Christian congregation

    Why do *they* get to decide when a Christian has violated their own neutrality?

    I've been thinking a lot about this lately, that's why I posted the thread "Using this world but not to the full". It seems anything that JW can do to help the rest of Society is banned by virtue of their being 'no part of this world.' [8>] WHATEVER.

    Lisa
    I vote class

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day Freeman,

    Yep, things are clearly not as simple as the WTS makes out.

    Most Dubs would be aware of the apostle Peter carrying a sword and even using it in retaliation. But there's more!

    Christ's triumphal entry into Jerusalem bears the features of a king returning from battle. He fulfills the prophecy of Zecharaiah 9:9 of the gentle king riding on a donkey. People cry out portions of Psalm 118, saying, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" where Psalm 118 is regarded by many O.T. scholars as a celebration of a king returning from a military victory.

    Upon his triumphal entry, this divine warrior goes straight to the temple and cleanses it.

    In the meantime the Christian life is metaphorically compared to warfare. Timothy is exhorted to endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. He is encouraged to fight the good fight of the faith. This warfare is not against flesh and blood and Paul warns the Ephesians to put on the whole armour of God into this conflict.

    Seems to me..... that Dubs would do well to expand their reading horizons from the small 'bites' of information and dogma of the Insight volumes.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
    Anonymous

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Agreed, Lisa. "We know what's best for you" is typical of all totalitarian regimes, both political and religious.

    Cheers,
    Ozziepost (glad to be free class)

  • Ginosko
    Ginosko

    Hi Ozzie,

    My friend Caballo Sentado who is reading again the Bible, but not the NWT, ask me to do a research of Rom 16:23 one hour ago and I came to the same conclusion than you. I was preparing a new post and saw yours. I'm giving additional information that confirm your post. Seems that this is another flaw in the JW doctrine.

    ... in parenthesis the STRONG numbers.

    Gaius <1050> mine <3450> host <3581>, and <2532> of the whole <3650> church <1577>, saluteth <782> (5736) you <5209>. Erastus <2037> the chamberlain <3623> of the city <4172> saluteth <782> (5736) you <5209>, and <2532> Quartus <2890> a brother <80>

    aspazetai <782> (5736) umav <5209> gaiov <1050> o <3588> xenov <3581> mou <3450> kai <2532> thv <3588> ekklhsiav <1577> olhv <3650> aspazetai <782> (5736) umav <5209> erastov <2037> o <3588> oikonomov <3623> thv <3588> polewv <4172> kai <2532> kouartov <2890> o <3588> adelfov <80>

    3623 oikonomov oikonomos oy-kon-om-os

    from 3624 and the base of 3551; TDNT-5:149,674; n m

    AV-steward 8, chamberlain 1, governor 1; 10

    1) the manager of household or of household affairs

    1a) esp. a steward, manager, superintendent (whether free-born or as was usually the case, a freed-man or a slave) to whom the head of the house or proprietor has intrusted the management of his affairs, the care of receipts and expenditures, and the duty of dealing out the proper portion to every servant and even to the children not yet of age

    1b) the manager of a farm or landed estate, an overseer

    1c) the superintendent of the citys finances, the treasurer of a city (or of treasurers or quaestors of kings)

    2) metaph. the apostles and other Christian teachers and bishops and overseers

    From URL: http://www.livius.org/q/quaestor/quaestor.html

    Quaestor: Roman magistrate, comparable to an accountant.

    The word quaestor means 'the man who asks questions'. This magistrate is first mentioned in the Laws of the Twelve Tables, although there are reports about quaestors who served under the Roman kings. Their task was to investigate murder cases - they were police inspectors. It is unclear how this function could change into a government office.

    The first two quaestorian magistrates were elected in the 440's. They served as accountants and took charge of the aerarium (public treasury). Some twenty years later, their number was doubled. The new quaestors served as paymasters of the two consular armies. Two more quaestors were added in 267: they took charge of the tribute of the Italian allies. After the First Punic war, the annexation of the island of Sicily and Sardinia/Corsica led to the appointment of two additional quaestors. The number must have grown with the number of provinces. Under Sulla, there were 20 quaestors; under Julius Caesar, the Roman empire needed 40 accountants - or perhaps Caesar had discovered an easy way to give a job to his adherents.

    Originally, one could not become quaestor unless one had 10 years of experience in the army. This was changed under Sulla, who stipulated a minimum age of 30 years for the questorship. The emperor Augustus lowered this age to 25 years. He also made an end to the practice to have the quaestors elected by the Comitia tributa, an assembly of the people that was divided into voting districts. The election was transferred to the Senate.

    Under the empire, two of the quaestors were appointed by the emperor in person (the quaestores Augusti). They had financial tasks as well, but were also responsible for messages of the emperor. A young man who obtained this job, was expected to become a very important official. An additional task of all quaestors was the supervision of the Games. Since the aedil , praetors and consuls were also responsible for the Games, it may be suspected that the magistrates were each others rivals.

    A quaestor had no bodyguard (lictor) but was allowed to wear a purple-bordered toga.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Very good, very good indeed!

    One well-known fact of Greek and Roman history is that participation in the activities of the city (Gk. polis) was regarded as one of the greatest privileges and most solemn duties of citizenship (Lat. civitas). To not be a citizen was regarded as demeaning, and to be a citizen considered a great honor with considerable privilege. (Comp. Acts 22:24-28) And of course there is the example of Cornelius the centurion (Acts 10). Though in a military position rather than political office, Cornelius still serves to show that activities for the state were not contra-indicated as also being Christian.

    I think one of the reasons this is a problem for JWs is their mistranslation and consequent misinterpretation of John 18:36 "my kingdom is no part of this world." The Greek ek tou kosmou has primarily the sense of "not from this world as a source." Thus most translations render this as "not of this world, not from this world, belong to this world" etc. Of the 36 translations I checked, not ONE renders this verse as "no part of this world."

    In other words, Jesus does not here say that a Christian should not be part of the world. He simply says that his kingdom does not derive its authority from this world.

    Craig

    Edited by - onacruse on 27 October 2002 22:25:26

  • caballoSentado
    caballoSentado

    Thanks Ginosko & Onacruse for the information.
    Have a nice day,
    Caballo Sentado

  • gumby
    gumby

    As has been pointed out...there are two sets of rules.

    In this case they are both WRITTEN,

    The Nov W. Plainly told the publishers (no less than 6 times) that if a member was to go to the poll booth and vote, NO ONE SHOULD CRITISIZE THEM. It is a personal decision. You would think if this was the case then one could hold office also....they are BOTH taking sides in politics.

    99% of the Witnesses hold this particular article as of NO VALUE.

    I do not remember the year of the article....but what a sad sham.

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