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  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    This Reporter curiously had access to a number of JWs. JW himself???
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    Jehovah's Witnesses reject many holidays and the notion that they are a dour group

    By Bill Smith
    Of The Post-Dispatch

    12/22/2001 06:04 AM

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    Aaron Ealy, 5, reads the bible with his mother Janis during the Jehovah's Witness Theocratic School Wednesday at the Kingdom Hall on Park Avenue in St. Louis.
    (Jamie Rector/P-D)

    AS TANNER OSTERMANN, 9, lies nestled all snug in his bed on Christmas Eve, there will be no visions of a remote-controlled Quantasaurus Rex Megazord dancing in his head.

    The St. Charles County fourth-grader isn't getting anything for Christmas -- no Hot Wheels raceway set, no Nintendo GameCube, not even a little plastic snowman Pez dispenser pushed down into the toe of a holiday stocking.

    The Ostermann family has stopped short of posting a "No Trespassing" sign on their rooftop, but make no mistake: Santa and his gift-laden, pagan sleigh most definitely are unwelcome here.

    That, says Tanner, is exactly the way he wants it.

    "Getting presents isn't bad," said the little boy with the short yellow hair, "but the idea of celebrating something that's false, that's what kind of annoys me."

    There are times, he says, when he feels a "little sorry" for his Christmas-rejoicing friends. "But I let them celebrate what they want to celebrate."

    Tanner and his family are among an estimated 8,000 to 10,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in the St. Louis area, people whose religious beliefs prohibit them from celebrating birthdays and most holidays, including Valentine's Day, Easter, Independence Day, Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas.

    The holidays, they say, are not mentioned in the Bible and are not grounded in Christianity. People celebrate the holidays, they say, more out of a sense of tradition and sentimentality than to honor Jehovah, or God.

    For Tanner and thousands of children like them, it means no birthday cakes, no Easter egg hunts, no Halloween costumes and no Christmas or any other traditional celebration of the winter season.

    It may seem a deprived existence to many people whose lives are so linked with the trappings of the holidays.

    But that, Witnesses say, is simply not the case.

    "People see us as very stern and morose," says John Scott Flumerfelt, 61, a janitorial contractor and elder with the Jehovah's Witnesses Central Congregation in St. Louis. "But we are happy, optimistic."

    Bill Kissell, 57, an elder in St. Charles County, says he often feels sympathy for co-workers and friends who are so caught up in the rush of the Christmas season.
    "Sometimes, I pity them," said Kissell, who had a Madagascar palm tree in his dining room last week in a spot where many homes might have a freshly cut Scotch pine covered in blinking lights and ornaments. "I look at them and see all these poor, stressed-out people."
    Kissell said he became a Jehovah's Witness at age 11.

    "It was my decision," he said.

    He remembers speaking with relatives, asking them to stop giving him gifts for Christmas, he said.

    "I let them know that I was taking this very seriously," he said. "I told them I loved them, but if they continued to send gifts, I would consider it an insult."
    Flumerfelt was 15 when he was baptized, he said. His parents "didn't like it."
    "My father thought I was going through a phase," he said.

    When he told his parents he would no longer celebrate holidays with them, they thought "I was turning my back on them," he said.

    Danielle Hanks, 16, of St. Louis, a student at Parkway West High School, became a Witness about nine years ago after spending much of her childhood celebrating the season. Her mother, Andrea, said the decision to turn away from the holidays caused a rift between Andrea and Andrea's parents.

    "They thought it was a horrible thing to do to their grandchild," Andrea Hanks said. Danielle said she talked to her grandmother several times about her decision and, ultimately, her grandmother came to accept Danielle's faith.

    "She thinks it's great that she can take her shopping and buy her something whenever she wants to," Danielle's mother said.

    Rebecca Fette, a Jehovah's Witness from St. Louis, said she ran into similar problems when she and her husband became Witnesses.

    Their parents told the Fettes they felt they were depriving the children of "a happy time," they said.

    Rebecca's son, David, 14, a student at
    McKinley Classical Junior Academy and a lifelong Jehovah's Witness, said he never has understood the attraction of Christmas.

    "It's just one day out of the year when people get presents," said David, dressed in a dark suit and tie. "You can get presents any time of the year."

    David and Danielle say they have faced very few problems from their classmates - none of whom are Jehovah's Witnesses. Their teachers, for the most part, have been understanding.

    Rebecca Fette says she has made it a point to seek out her children's teachers at the beginning of each school year and explain to them how Witnesses feel about holidays.

    "Whenever a holiday activity came up," she said, "the kids would go to the library or we'd bring them home."

    Said Trevor Ostermann, 13, Tanner's brother, "It wasn't really a big deal."
    Recently, Tanner's school, Harvest Ridge Elementary School, changed the type of class parties it sponsored, his parents said.

    The annual Halloween party, which had focused on costumes and Halloween-related games, became the Fall Party, with an emphasis on non-Halloween seasonal activities.

    The annual Christmas party became a winter party, without Christmas lights, Christmas trees and Santa decorations.

    This year, for the first time, Tanner got to remain in his class and party with his classmates.

    "I had fun," he said.

    Interestingly, the Ostermanns recently put small lights - similar to Christmas lights - around the deck at the back of their house. It helps to illuminate the area during summer activities, they say.
    But they have made it a point to keep them off in the weeks leading to Dec. 25.

    "We don't want the neighbors to think we may be celebrating Christmas," John Ostermann said.

    Matt Morris, 18, a Jehovah's Witness from St. Louis who works in his father's construction business, said he has faced occasional ridicule by his peers for not celebrating Christmas.

    But, he says, "I'm not shaken by it.

    "What we do is proof of our love of God and that is what helps us get through it," he said.

    Reporter Bill Smith: \E-mail: [email protected] \Phone: 314-340-8125

  • myMichelle
    myMichelle

    I have a question...

    Tanner and his family are among an estimated 8,000 to 10,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in the St. Louis area, people whose religious beliefs prohibit them from celebrating birthdays and most holidays, including Valentine's Day, Easter, Independence Day, Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas.

    What holidays are JWs permitted to celebrate?

    Michelle

  • Lollylou
    Lollylou

    I would love to write a reply to those witnesses who contributed to that article.
    No, the precious little children hate the pagan celebrations. They like being different. BULL____!!! Ask my grown kids who are no longer JW's how they really felt growing up.
    Oh and what about renaming the holiday celebrations? Change a Halloween Party to a "Fall Party", etc. I say a duck by any other name is still a duck!!!
    I remember a witness family who of course didn't celebrate birthdays, but they let each one of their children pick out a special day to be "Their Day". They got presents, a cake and picked out the special menu. DUH! sounds like a birthday celebration to me.
    Witnesses delude themselves into believing that their life is the greatest. I liked the janitor quote. He of course didn't go to college because the witnesses frowned on a higher education, and even if he did you can't get ahead to far or you are materialistic!
    The article made me fume.

  • oscartheduck
    oscartheduck

    "I say a duck by any other name is still a duck!!!"

    Quack!

  • Adonai438
    Adonai438

    to mymichelle: they can only 'celebrate' passover because its 'mentioned' in the Bible but even there they can't participate in everything- only 144,000 in all of history can take communion there.
    It's just another way to be different.
    God in the Bible commands lots of Jewish holidays so that proves that the idea of holidays is not 'Satanic' even Jesus himself is recorded as celebrating them including the 'festival of lights' which is Hannukah. The idea of Holidays is clearly not wrong- they just NEED to be different. They say that you don't need a special day to say I love you and give gifts but again its all about them.
    They don't care that Christmas is about Jesus' birth, don't care that easter is about the resurection, don't care to celebrate their children blessed with another great year of life!

  • Blackcat
    Blackcat

    We as a family have just enjoyed a fantastic Christmas together, something that my wife and i never had as kids(as we where both raised as jws)

    The sense of excitement and magic on a childs face on Christmas morning is something to treasure...funny how i never felt like that at kingdom halls and assemblies !!

    I think Christmas is a time for families, to share gifts and each others company and it draws people together. I visited my JW parents home 2 days after Christmas,it was like a mortuary !!! no excitement or enjoyment about the festive period, they where due to attend a meeting, maybe that can account for the gloomy faces!!

    I found being a jw was very dour and extremely boring, guess thats why i enjoy this time of year so much.

    Anyway, got to go, another party to attend tonight, yet more alcohol! bet rutherford wishes he was with me!!

  • Blackcat
    Blackcat

    After all he seemed to enjoy it too!!
    THE WATCH TOWER, Jan. 15, 1919, pg. 32 : " A MESSAGE OF GRATITUDE TO THE DEAR FRIENDS EVERYWHERE:-

    Grace, mercy and peace be multiplied unto you! Am taking advantage of an opportunity to dictate this note to extend to all the dear friends throughout the United Sates and Canada my heartfelt thanks for the great love bestowed upon us and manifested in the numerous Christmas presents which I and my associates have received, as well as cards, letters and messages of love. May the Lord bless you one and all ! I am unable to write you personally, and so am asking that this general message be given you. I am overwhelmed by you expressions of love, dear brethren. May the Lord re- ward you richly ! Your brother and servant by his grace. J. F. RUTHERFORD."

  • patio34
    patio34

    Hi Mad Apostate,

    I think you're right the guy may be a JW, but not only because of the many dubs he quoted. The article may as well have been in the WT, as biased as it was. There was only one side shown in THIS article.

    Thanks for the info,
    Pat

  • patio34
    patio34

    BlackCat,

    Great Xmas quote from Rutherford!

    Pat

  • dins
    dins

    Ugh! Makes me want to gag after reading that.

    Funny, I never felt that way growing up in the WT. I remember being sent to the library every time there was a birhtday or holiday party, wishing I could stay, being ostracized and constantly poked fun of because I couldn't salute the flag, go to dances, talk to who I wanted. The list is endless.

    On the contrary, I remember laying in bed on Christmas Eve crying to myself, wishing I could just be "normal" for once. Never thought, Oh gee, how Pagan and I'm so glad I don't celebrate holidays. Can't wait to go to school today...wonder who's going to beat me up today?

    I would never subject my child to any of that. I think most people would admit that Christmas is more of a time to get together and show love and appreciation for loved ones.

    Diana

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