Is the number of elders/servants increasing or decreasing? (page 2)

gubberningbody

I can't think of any reason why a rational, intelligent male below the age of 40 who isn't trying to beard himself as a normal heterosexual male would "reach out". It strikes me that effeminate men are becoming the rule. Sissies all I tell ya!

SnakesInTheTower

The last congo I was an elder in, we lost one elder (the PO) when he went back to his old cono, tired of dealing with this bunch. I ran into him recently...he just stepped aside as an elder...his step son was DF...BOE was desperate to keep him on as an elder and didnt want to accept his resignation.

Two other elders in there late 40s/early 50s both resigned. The older of the two I think is active but no longer will reach out, the younger I heard recently that he and his wife no longer attend anywhere. Don't know their status...far as I know he could be lurking here.

I was deleted in Dec 2006...well, y'all know where this one is at now.."apostate".....LOL

One elderly elder recently died. He followed whatever the next two said, but occasionally surprised us as an independent.

The elder that replaced that elder as PO was/is in his early to mid 30s. Completely unqualified. Still there.

His daddy, a former PO, in his late 50s/early 60s, also unqualified for many reasons...controls BOE through his son.......jack ass.

The service overseer, mid 50s, likes to look at porn and hug young girls inappropriately. Got caught looking at porn, yet still serves as an elder.

Two other elderly elders were transferred in from a congo that was dissolved. As useful as toothless chihuahuas.

So of the 10 elders that were there when I was there, 1 died, 1 deleted (and is apostate ), 1 moved away (and recently stepped aside), 2 stepped aside (1 is inactive)...2 are toothless title holders.....leaving all of three "working" elders. Wonder how that's working out for them.

As for up and coming MS.... forget about it...when I was there we had 4 .... 1 younger one has since moved away.... 1 is elderly and barely hanging on....2 others (mid 30s and mid 40s) neither want to be elders.... I heard recently they had one reappointment...probably their only hope of another elder...and not a good one at that.

That just gives me the warm fuzzies thinking about it.

Snakes ()

oompa

Way to reach out and step up Olin, I heard you make Mini-Serve and made your fold proud. Bought time!...........oomps

btw......i think this numbers thing is all over the place.....varies a lot from hall to hall.......when one hall is "weak" they truck in the heavyweight elders......

Mattieu

My ex-cong has more ex elders and ms’s than current serving ones as well. The Australian KM has an article this month on “reaching out”.

I will never forget when we once had an elder give a local needs talk on “reaching out”. He had all the brothers over 18 put their hand up, then he said if you are an elder or an ms – put your hand down. He then said to all those with their hand still raised “this talk is for you, why are you not serving as an ms or elder?”

I felt like yelling out “because you are holding a grudge against me d*&^head.....”

A trend I have noticed here in Melbourne is that brothers are being appointed at a very young age (early to mid 20’s) whereas the norm was mostly mid 30’s.

Mattieu.

WTWizard

Well, look at the cost and benefits of being a hounder. The benefits are the power and status. The cost is having all that extra work and worry, having a higher "stumbling others" standard, facing the hounder-hounder frequently when things go wrong, having to be at all the boasting sessions and even run them at times, all the getting woke up at three in the morning for a "sheep" having trouble, and the general headaches. Plus, there is no extra measure of "salvation" when Armageddon gets here--the hounders can die just as dead if they fxxx up, stumble anyone, or otherwise fall short, as the regular witless can.

wobble

I think they are struggling to get enough,but I don't have proof.

Our friend The Berean has a point,in my old Congo for years we had 10 or 11 Elders and 5 or 6 MS. The Congo. size grew,mainly by people moving in as we had a reputation for being liberal and having a great social scene,so eventually they decided to divide,as Pubs got up to 170 or so.

On the CO visit before the split 14 new appointments were made,2 E's and the rest MS. All announced on the same night! Many of these were relatively new in,or had been rejected for years as unsuitable,but the CO pushed them through.

I think both Congos are now down on Pub. levels and Meeting attendance is bad.

Love

Wobble

metatron

One strong factor that no one is discussing is the quality of elders and ministerial servants. They're getting exactly 'what they pay for' - a bunch of burnt out, tired leaders who eagerly shirk responsibility.

I cannot articulate fully how these men avoided work, exertion and responsibility in my body. The 'new guy' was always dumped on with running the School and anything else that other elders didn't want. The Watchtower organization is loaded with men who want to remain elders but don't want to do much of anything. I have to laugh when I look back at ARGUMENTS within the Body at who got stuck with being Secretary or who got stuck with being Account Servant ( and getting home late after meetings). Amazing how 'privileges' got transformed into burdens to be forced on whoever couldn't escape.....

And the Circuit Overseers - who treat you like sh*t? Who get golf games and the best restaurants from Brother RichElder?

Elders? I say fewer of them and fewer good men who care about the publishers.

metatron

1914BS

There has been a shortage of MS for over 25 years. Every MS that I ever met was a real goof

oompa

lol...that was supposed to be Olin made his FOLKS proud!.........oompa

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