Pilgrim Fathers and other snippets!

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  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    The BBC Radio 4 programme "In Our Time" this week discusses the Pilgrim Fathers. Here is a link to the programme website where you can listen again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime.shtml

    There are some interesting tidbits in the "In Our Time" newsletter which relates to the programme (italics mine):

    Squanto, the Indian whom all three contributors thought had literally
    saved the Plymouth colony; a proper use of the word ?literally? here.
    They would all have been dead had he not taught them how to grow
    the crops, use the dead fish, distinguish between trees that were
    good for fruit and trees that were good for building, etc, etc. Quite a
    life had Squanto. He lived in Cornhill in London for a while and was
    imprisoned in Spain for a while. Initially he was kidnapped by English
    sailors. This seems to have been a trophy-hunting sport for those
    who had been so successful at raiding and looting the Spanish in the
    last quarter of the 16th century and, incidentally, building up the first
    great British fleet. There was much talk about people who prepared war plans. It seems
    that war planners never stop. In 1896 the Republicans declared in
    their war plan that if they won the election they would annexe Canada
    ? ?with their permission!? They seemed to think that Canada was just
    waiting to be annexed. In 1912 the Americans had a war plan to
    invade Canada. Also in 1912 the English had a magnificent war plan
    to mobilise the American Indians to rise up against the Americans,
    particularly in the Chicago area, while the navy took over the ports. It
    gets more and more wonderful. In 1930 the Americans had war
    plans against the British Navy in the Far East
    .

    I could go on, but my pen became unsteady at that point as the three
    historians tumbled out these great goodies. They also spoke about
    the great war of 1676, perhaps the great defining war in America,
    where the colonists destroyed a huge alliance of Indians led by King
    Philip (an Indian chief). Ironically, he was the son of Massasoit
    who had introduced Squanto to the settlement. The Indians then
    pushed west but the destruction on both sides was massive. One of
    the historians suggested that there were so many orphans from the
    Anglo-American side moving around the place that this could have
    been part of the seed of the unrest which led to the Salem trials.

    A point that they all made, which I?d like to develop some other time,
    is that the Napoleonic War was in fact a world war. The English and
    the French were fighting each other in India, in the Caribbean, in
    Egypt and the English were also trying to pick off the Dutch colonies
    .
    The two most tantalising comments of all, for me, were first that the
    American War of Independence (revolution to us) was a sideshow.
    The English were not so worried about losing it and only committed
    about 9% of their global forces to fighting it. They figured that if they
    lost they would simply form a trading federation with the newly
    independent colonies and that?s pretty much what happened.
    Links with England continued very powerfully throughout the 18th and
    the 19th centuries. The second thing is that the first novel ever
    published in America was Richardson?s novel Pamela and it was
    published by Benjamin Franklin.

    Incidentally, it?s always seemed a bit curious to me that given what
    the Americans say they owe to the Separatists and the Pilgrim
    Fathers, and indeed it could be proved that they owe a great deal, the
    English are so often the villains and while we have people in America
    happy to be Afro-Americans and Irish Americans and Hispanic
    Americans, I have yet to meet anyone in the United States who has
    told me that he was an Anglo-American.

    Has anyone else heard of these numerous war plans? So much for the "special relationship"!

    Rachel

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    I found something similar:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p121_HNAC.html

    Hoover-Era American Plan For War Against Britain and Canada Uncovered

    American military officials drew up a secret plan in 1930 for war against Britain in which Canada would be the main battleground. "Joint Plan Red," as it was known, envisaged the elimination of Britain as a trading rival.

    Professor Floyd Rudmin of Queens University in Ontario, Canada, charges that the plan was a blueprint for an American invasion of Canada. According to the plan, the United States was prepared to invade Canada if political unrest brought on by Quebec's secession threatened American access to Canada's fresh water and cheap hydroelectric power.

    The war plan document was drawn up by the Joint Board of the Army and Navy in May 1930, when Herbert Hoover was President. It identified Britain as Red, Canada as Crimson, Australia and New Zealand as Scarlet, and the U.S. as Blue. Its aim was to dismember the British empire on the grounds of "competition and interference with American foreign trade."

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