C.T Russel and the Organization

by sexyk 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • sexyk
    sexyk

    Charles Taze Russel. Founder of the Watchtower and a very respected man among the Jehovahs Witnesses even today.

    Do you think Charles Russel, would agree with how the Society went about things after his decease ? It wouldn't really be that bad of a religion or cult (whichever you prefer) if they did things his way, in which it should have. Russel proclaimed in his will before he died, that things should be managed in the Watchtower, according to his wishes.

    Well after Russels decease, who took his spot other then Rutherford. A man who changed the rules and guidelines set out for us by Russel. Russel believed in freedom of mind and speech, not disfellowshipment and the taking away of ones family and friends. His ways weren't forceful, as opposed to the Watchtower today.

    I asked a few Witnesses when I was in the organization, would C.T Russel agree with the Society today ? Not to my suprise, they said, Yes. Which is not true, he certainly wouldn't agree with it.

    His will and wishes were changed, when really, they weren't suppost to. Now every change that is made is apparently "new light from god". And rules and guidlines are changing back and forth in the Society affecting many peoples lives worldwide.

    Only if things were set in place as they were suppost to, by C.T Russel, the Watchtower organization wouldn't be in the mess their in today.

    If Russel was alive today, he wouldn't agree with the Society, therefore, he would be considered an apostate, and kicked out.

    Something to think about !

    keith

  • 5go
    5go

    Wasn't he a swindler as well?

  • Terry
    Terry

    If we could go back and visit ourselves ten years ago we wouldn't agree with our very own self.

    Change is part and parcel of life.

    Russell was not much different from others in his day and time. He came from a Scotch Presbyterian background and had all the superstitious nonsense pounded into his head as a child. What made him slightely different is that he was a thinking man.

    Russell didn't think certain beliefs made much sense. He had the money to indulge his search.

    Like so many spiritually minded people who couldn't find sense in scripture he cast his net wide.

    Eventually, he found something that suited his personal tastes. (2nd Adventist explanations)

    It is sort of like this. Do we love it because it is Good OR is it good because we Love it?

    Charles Russell found what he wanted to find and pieced it together.

    Suddenly it was TRUE and had to be taught to others.

    Being sincere is no defense against being dead wrong, however.

    Russell, like everybody else looking for answers outside of reality, indulged his sense of imagination too far and wasted his life utterly.

    It is no strange thing that Rutherford merely built on what Russell had managed to piece together.

    JW's today have found what they were looking for and cannot be convinced out of it no matter what.

    They can only be disillusioned by personal confrontation with the dissonant facts of life.

    This happens to some, but, not all.

    When the local Kingdom Hall ceases to be a haven for their desperate illusions about LIFE, TRUTH and GOD they'll wake up and find themselves plugged into a Matrix.

    The history of C.T. Russell is interesting. It isn't fodder for persuasion.

  • needproof
    needproof

    It's interesting that you should say that, because I was only reading about this yesterday:

  • Terry
    Terry

    It is a bit Darwinian, isn't it?

    Survival of the "fittest" comes down to (often) tenacious, hard-headed determination not to be pried loose from something (whether or not it is good for us.)

    Hard-headed and obstinate "believers" are an asset to the Watchtower group. They keep shaking them violently with doctrinal flip-flops to see what clings and what sails away.

    The Kingdom Halls stay filled with minds shut so tightly there is not a ray of sunlight that can penetrate them. They call it "faith". It is merely stubborn refusal to see the dream no longer works.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    It's a fact that the organisation we know today is not the one created by Russell. Rutherford grabbed it and changed it according to his wishes, he made it very dictatorial ie concentrated all power in his hands though I believe the disfellowshipping and shunning policy were introduced much later by Franz.

    The JWs have no choice but to claim Russell as their founder to legitimise having his organisation in their possession. They have been instructed to say that Russell is now mainly old light superceded by the revelations of later luminaries.

  • stev
    stev

    We have the benefit of hindsight and living in the year 2007, and we can see the lessons of history much clearer now. If Russell were still living today, would he still hold to the invisible return in 1874, and the end of Gentile Times in 1914? He thought the time of trouble would only last a few years, and had no dates beyond 1918.

    It is true that Russell in his will provided arrangements that would have prevented the abuse of power. Russell did not envision one-man rule after his death, but intended the Society to be run with checks and balances. There is nothing to indicate that Russell had picked Rutherford for a successor. There was a quote in a recent thread that said that Rutherford set a law practice in 1915, and left Bethel. Also, Russell had advocated a democratic, congregational form of church government, and viewed the Society as a business that was separate from the churches. When Rutherford attempted to control the churches in the late 1920s, many Bible Students left at that time, not willing to give up their liberty. Russell stressed consecration, character development and the Christian graces, and love toward the brethren. But Rutherford gave all this up and replaced it with "Advertising the kingdom."

    Although the JWs would have been better off and less cultlike if they had followed closer to Russell's spirit, Russell created problems for the Society and the Bible Students that any leader coming after him would have had difficulty coping with. Russell did not foresee the need to establish a longterm arrangement, because he thought the Kingdom was imminent. How long could the Society have gone on with only Russell's writings, and no new material? The Bible Students after Russell's death canonized him, and regarded him as "that servant". This was oppressive doctrine that would stifle any group in the long-term. Russell with his prophetic speculations left his movement in confusion. The Pyramid referred to dates that had gone by. With the passing of years, the delay had become more problematic, and Rutherford modified the chronology to keep it current. This only created more problems in the long-term, but saved the group.

    If the World War had not occurred in 1914, perhaps Russell would have abandoned his chronology. But instead he saw it as confirmation, without knowing of course that society would continue until 2007. After his death, ones like Woodworth took Russell's practice of speculation and allegorical interpretation to an extreme.

    Unfortunately, Rutherford gave up some of the healthier, mainstream, liberal part of Russell's religion, but continued the date-setting and prophetic speculation. He intensified the unhealthier parts that were already present in Russell, but kept in check by Russell's more liberal side. He intensified the dogmaticism, sectarianism, aggresssive preaching, condemnation of society and the churches.

    However, modern day Bible Students in holding so closely to Pastor Russell have adopted much of his virtues, but also his mistaken notions, and are in a time warp, stuck in the year 1914, unable to progress. The condition of the JWs and Bible Students is a sad one, and the shadow of Pastor Russell is cast over all of them. The doctrine of "that servant" caused them to uncritically adopt notions that have not stood the test of time, and need to be abandoned.

  • smellsgood
    smellsgood

    Based on the facts and history, I have as much respect for C.T. Russell as the WT organization today. Below zero.

  • jeanV
    jeanV

    Great posts Terry, thank you!

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