A Bethel Memory #21 - You can lead an elder to college but you can't make him think

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  • LivingTheDream
    LivingTheDream

    You can lead an elder to college but you can't make him think

    I was a young man at Bethel about 30 years ago, back in the early 80's and I was going home on vacation. After a long stint in Bethel, I finally took my first vacation and couldn't wait to see everybody again. In Bethel you don't get a whole lot of vacation time. I don't remember exactly how much it was (maybe two weeks per year?) but it wasn't enough. Given that Bethel doesn't give any national or personal holidays off, nor does it have a sick day policy and you have to work a complete year before you can use your vacation time earned, this was meager time off. If you compare it to just about any "worldly" job, the Bethel vacation time off policy is pretty darn pitiful.

    Still, I had finally earned mine and I got the money together to get my ticket home and I was jazzed. Now, by then, one of the things that hit me hard was that I was working as a "flunky" at the factory. One worldly person there called me that to my face once: flunky. Ouch. I had never flunked anything in my life and here I was labeled that by others just because I wanted to do something I thought was noble and was doing good for other people. Oh well. I realized that sooner or later, I was going to get a college education and get a real job and not be a flunky anymore.

    As it turns out, I had an elder in my congregation that I had grown up with that we counted as a "family friend" that had done just that. In fact, not only was he college educated, he was a college professor! Who could be better to ask for advice in this regard? So, the first meeting back home where I knew I would find him, I thought I'd bring up the issue of college and ask him which college to choose, what classes were good and so on. You know, get the lay of the land college-wise. This guy had all the inside information as he was at a college every day. I figured that now that I had pioneered and gone to Bethel I had paid my dues. Certainly he would see that it would be OK for me to do the same thing he had done: go to college, get a degree and get a white collar job earning good money.

    Since he was a foreigner with an accent as well as a minority, I thought that he would understand the value of education in order to make a dollar in the good old U.S. of A. He was short, funny looking and had a badly pock marked faced, yet he still had a pretty decent looking wife (well, for him anyway) so I was sure he would be on my side, especially since we were both minorities. And, after all, it was conventional wisdom that was the reason he had his white "trophy" wife in the first place: he had a fairly prestigious job, a few bucks in the bank and a decent house for her to decorate and entertain in.

    So, I approached elder Pockface at an opportune time and mentioned my goals to him. To my surprise, he told me he didn't recommend me pursuing a college education at all. He said that he supported the Society's "counsel" that worldly education and other similar selfish pursuits were not in the best interest for Christians. Basically, he didn't want to help me. I was dumbfounded. Didn't he see the duplicity in this, being that he himself was a college professor? The rest of the conversation went something like this:

    Me: [pleading voice] I can't believe you brother Pockface. You, of all people, a college professor no less, are discouraging me from going to college???

    Him: [seriously] Look, it's a bad, worldly environment to put yourself in, and besides, worldly pursuits like that only hinder your spiritual progress.

    Me: So, what am I supposed to do the rest of my life, work in a factory? I was Valedictorian of my high school class and accepted to various universities with honors, but now that I've gone to Bethel I'm supposed to forget about that?

    Him: I know you are a smart young man, but trust me, you don't want to go to college and inundate yourself into that environment. You're doing fine now on a good spiritual path, why ruin it?

    Me: Sorry, but I think that is patently hypocritical of you to say that since you went to college yourself. On top of that, you still teach at a college.

    Him: Well, I went to college before I knew The Truth, so that is different.

    Me: I don't get it, how is that different?

    Him: Well, I didn't know any better then. I was worldly. So, I did what worldly people do.

    Me: But, you still benefit from having done it! Also, you still support the concept of college by teaching at one for heaven's sake! So, you would teach worldly people how to "get ahead" but not your own brothers?

    Him: It's not that. College just isn't for Christians. I have to do this as it is my profession. I've spent too long doing this in my life to simply give it up now.

    Me: [sarcastically] So, if you would have sold drugs or ran a prostitution ring before learning The Truth, then you would still be doing that anyway? I mean, after all, you would have spent too long building up those businesses to give them up now right?

    Him: [angrily] That's not the same thing and you know it!

    Me: [defiantly] OK, so, if you would have been cheating people in a shady used car dealership or had been a con man or had worked at a casino, or had been a policeman or been in the military, then the same thing? You'd just keep doing those professions too because you already spent too long doing them? But at the same time you would dissuade your brothers from doing them?

    Him: Those are not...

    Me: [cutting him off] The same thing, yeah, I know. No example I could give you would be the "same thing" because you want to justify doing something yourself the Society recommends we shouldn't do. You know, I'm sick of this double standard from you guys who have already feathered your cushy beds, but discourage us young people at the same time from following in your own footsteps. At Bethel, the doctors, lawyers, computer professionals and such are treated like gods there; all of these professions require college education. Bethel begs to get people like that there and then when they do go, they treat them special above the rest of us. Many of them don't even live with us as they get their own housing and cars and food and everything else. They can come and go as they please, they get more money for being there and so on. Yet the Society keeps on giving hypocrites like you the same tired line to tell us that we shouldn't go to college because it's "worldly" and you regurgitate it even though you yourself spend every waking day working at a college!

    Him: Look...

    Me: [cutting him off again] No! I'm done trying to talk and reason with you and to people like you!

    "Family friend" my ass. True to my word, I never spoke to mister Pockface again.

    I eventually left Bethel, and finished my college education and worked my way up the professional ladder using it to build a real career. Now it's my turn to be treated special. As I write this, I am looking out my home office window at the beautiful lake my big house sits on, thinking about my wonderful career that gives me over a month off per year with the current position I hold. I like my work so much, I can hardly take that time off from because I really don't need to since it doesn't even feel like work. I can work mostly from my own home too, that is when I'm not traveling the world to exciting cities and locations in 7 different counties and 30 different U.S. states, staying at nice hotels and resorts and eating great food. I do this travel all on my company's dime while interacting with some of the worlds most intelligent, educated and interesting people. I now have a career that allows me to keep my three vehicles, a luxury SUV and sedan and a cool muscular sports car all sitting in my garage waiting for me to take them out to play with, without having to put any real miles on them because I don't commute. My career is one I wake up to every day looking forward to doing more in and one that has earned me worldwide recognition. It's one that gives me pride, fulfillment and honor while allowing me to provide for my beautiful, hot, hard-bodied wife to buy her the clothes, jewelry and other things she looks awesome in. Because of higher education, my satisfaction in life is as large and as full as my portfolio is.

    I am truly "living the dream" I always had about how my life would go.

    Look, I realize that this might sound like a bunch of bragging on my part, but that's not my goal in writing this since you don't even know me. I would never say these things to anybody in person. Still, I won't deny either that I'm proud of overcoming the financial handicap of growing up a Jehovah's Witness and spending my early years in Bethel. The main thing I wish to convey to everyone however, especially to the younger people, is that I wouldn't have any of it if I had listened to "The Society" about higher education or if I had heeded the advice of two-faced, sanctimonious people like mister Pockface. They would want me to be still making books in their factories for them with zero use of my talents, zero satisfaction in my work, zero money in the bank and zero to look forward to except praying for Armageddon to come and save me from my tedious existence.

    My main point here is to tell everybody who will heed my example that regardless of your age, and regardless of how much time "The Society" has taken from you, there is always time to pursue education or learn skills that will improve your life. This is simply your right as a human being. You should go for it. And, if you haven't started, then I strongly urge you to start right now.

    Look, money isn't everything, but this isn't just about money. It's about making the most of your life and doing what gives you pleasure in it. It's about doing what you were called to do that not only doesn't hurt anybody else, it actually improves your world and everybody else's with whom you come into contact. It's about satisfaction in life and the ongoing confidence that comes from personal success. Sure materialism can wreck a person's life or ruin their soul, but make no mistake about it, poverty can do that too. It's nonsense to argue that there is some sort of virtue in being broke or of little means and its silly to think that doing menial labor your entire life is the way to go just to avoid talking to people in college who may not agree with your views on things. If you don't have your own mind and you're that weak, you're going to have problems in life no matter which path you take.

    I think back about the specious mister Pockface and recall that his wife left him for somebody nicer, younger and better looking (which was not hard for her to find.) He went and replaced her by marrying a vain, ditsy, flaky girl less than half his age who had big, floppy, downward pointing boobs she liked to show off to everybody. The congregation was shocked that elder Pockface wouldn't be more sensible to marry any number of available fine, mature, older sisters that were in his own age group. They were so surprised by that because, after all, they heard him many times teach from the podium about finding suitable marriage mates, dating appropriately in The Truth and making sure your potential mates were spiritually solid.

    His move didn't surprise me one bit.

    LivingTheDream

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    THANK YOU for your post. I am currently debating whether to do a degree in a subject I've always been interested in. I was one of those school leavers in the late 80s who was told to not go on to further education. Despite having great grades, I did what I was told and tried looking for jobs during the Recession we had back then. Applying for basic jobs with no job experience while competing with 100 other job-seekers.

    I worked my way through life, but I want something different. And at 40, it seems you can't get a decent job without some kind of certificate behind you.

    So thank you for your experience and encouragement to do this.

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    Go for it BP...its so invigorating for you...I'm half way through mine and I've really loved it.

    Loz x

  • nugget
    nugget

    same for me pursuing education in a meaningful well is a real benefit stifling ability is a waste of a life.

  • meangirl
    meangirl

    Thanks for sharing. Great post.

  • Millions
    Millions

    Unbelievable hypocrisy from that brother, but not even remotely surprising. Great account. If you genuinely had the balls to stand up for yourself like that back then, good for you - I was far too submissive to challenge anything at the time, unfortunately. I guess I just stored it all up for when I was preparing to exit later.

  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    This thread should be a sticky and required reading for all who find their way out of the borg!

    Thx LTD!

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    "Do as I say, not as I do..."

  • no more kool aid
    no more kool aid

    Thank you for sharing your story. There is brain drain in the borg, many brothers and sisters that came "in the truth" in maybe the 50's or 60's were educated but didn't encourage their own children to get an education. These parents and now grand parents helped their children financially or maybe provided jobs for them. But now, and I have seen this in my own family, the uneducated parents have no way to help their own children who have no way to function in the world. I have able bodied, normal intelligence relatives in their 20's who are working at minimum wage jobs, their parents are in the same boat now that the grandparents are gone.

    I can't understand for the life of me why a college professor wouldn't encourage you to start taking some classes so you can at least eek out a living! Also can't understand how people can go to college and not wake up, first time I sat through a logic class and then applied these reasoning skills to the WT study I was dumbfounded (in a good way, wake up call #1). Glad your life turned out so well and I am going to have my oldest son read your post. NMKA

  • life is to short
    life is to short

    Great thread

    This is something I have been struggling with since leaving the religion. My problem is my parents did not believe in school period. Both my sister and I were discouraged even from elementary school. As soon as we finished 9th grade they pulled the both of us out.

    I wanted at least a high school diploma which I did get from home schooling and it cost my dad $300.00 which he felt was a huge waste of money. No one helped me with my school work, I did it all on my own. I suck big time in spelling. I was never really taught and that is my problem that holds me back.

    Some people treat you as if you were the most stupidest person on the earth for not spelling right. I hate it. The more it is pointed out to me the worse I spell. It is like I am trying to show them yep I am really stupid.

    I truly hate this religion in its view of education. Everyone in the kingdom hall knew my parents were nuts and crazy yet in this area of schooling they praised my parents and told them how wonderful they were for not sending us to school.

    Armageddon was coming soon and we would not need what we were learning anyway.

    Yet even at Bethel my overseer made rude comments about my poor spelling. Yeh so much for not needing an education in the truth.

    When I think of college I think of how old I am and the way people treat me for my spelling.

    I just feel so stuck, I know a huge part of it is me, but I truly did not know how to buck the powers over me. It was hard enough to get my high school degree, my sister only got a GED.

    I was thinking about this yesterday as I was cleaning houses for my living and thinking what a waste of life and talent, this religion does to people.It takes our lives from us our joy of living.

    It seems like just yesterday that I was doing my home schooling then trying to pioneer on minimum wage working part time begging for more hours but being told my the "friends" I was wrong to want to work more. Then getting married with my husband making only $200.00 a month saying we could live fine on it, when we could not make it fine I was working 30 plus hours a week pioneering. Then going to Bethel and you are right there is no vacation time. Dragging yourself to work sick. Oh what fun that is.

    Coming out of Bethel I fell right back into being an elders wife trying to pioneer. I never work up until the child abusers moved in. Then I realized that Barbara and Joe Anderson were right. Why did I doubt them. I worked with Joe at Bethel, he was one of the most wonderful caring persons there there were so many jerks but Joe was so kind especially to the sisters why did I not believe Dateline in 2002, why did it take me to 2008 and having to go through the hell myself to understand that this religion truly love men who rape children.

    Anyway I loved your post I just feel so trapped by my lack of spelling skills, as you can tell from my posts I am horrible at spelling.

    I sometimes still fall back into the trap of thinking this is not the real life, and then I wake up and realize that this is the real life and I let this religion take my life. I truly have only myself to blame.

    LITS

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