The Science Thread

by EntirelyPossible 65 Replies latest jw experiences

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    I am starting this thread because so many others have taken such interesting turns and, on some ocassions, been threadjacked, sometimes by me. I hesitate to post it in "Personal Experiences" because it is most certainly not a personal experience, but I don't know what would be a better area.

    The purpose here is to clear up a lot of confusion about what science and the scientific method ARE and are NOT.

    Science is a method for investigating observations, gaining knowledge, correcting knowledge. It is based on observing and measuring the world around us. Based on the observations, a hypothesis is developed. A hypothesis is suggested explantion of the observations and measurements you have taken. Any hypothesis should also be able to make predictions, such as the predictions of gravity bending light in general relativity.

    Also, any good test of a hypothesis should be repeatable, verifiable by outside people and falsifiable. Falsifiability does not mean that something is false but, rather that IF it is false then it is possible to conceive of an experiment, test or observation that shows it to be false. For example, if a hypothesis was "water is always boils at 100 degrees Celcius", then the experiment could be falsified by changing conditions, such as the air pressure.

    Others can repeat the experiment, check the testing method, verify the results, check for mistakes.

    Science REQUIRES an open mind, openess to new ideas and skepticism, everything is underpinned with the idea of "Prove it" using the method described above.

    With regards to some of the things I have heard, like "science is just like the WTBS, what science 'knows', like the sun orbiting the earth, changes", I want to address that. First, the scientifict method is NOT all that old. A lot of what people "knew" was not "known" scientificially. Yes, it was based on observation, but without the tools to investigate the observations.

    Second, of course what we "know" will change. That's the whole point! To act as if that is a failing of science is to have absolutely no understanding of science. It's NOT to prove what we know, but to learn more. Sometimes that overturns existing knowledge. That's not only expected, but damned exciting when it happens. It means we learned something new on the journey.

    Now, as to what the scientific method is not... 1)Personal revelation 2)Ideas with no way to measure or test 3)defaulting to "you can't prove it's false so my idea must be true, i.e., the galaxy is sentient.

    Hypothesis MUST be at least internally consistent, meaning mathematically or physically sound. A hypothesis is invalid on it's face if one of the logical conclusions is that 1+1=3 or that Christ = Light = the mass of the universe (one of the logical conclusions of that is that Christ must be winding down since light is escaping the known universe). If a hypothesis is NOT internally and logically consistent or has unproveable portions, it is absolutely invalid.

    Finally, a few quick words on "theory". A theory in common parlance does NOT mean the same thing as "theory" in scientific parlance. In common usage, a theory is the equivalent of "I have an idea" or a hypothesis, a suspicion. In science, a theory is the highest attainable status, it has been tested over and over, it is falsifiable, it has proven predictive powers and works over and over.

    I hope that explains science a little better. Discuss!

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    Good post EP . . .

    The use of the term scientific observation rather than scientific evidence is preferable IMO. The clamorous use of what some label scientific evidence to support their conjecture, while stoutly calling for others to disprove it, is not a scientific approach at all.

    Like the oxymoron called a "creation scientist" who points to the spherical formations of obsidian on Mt Ararat as scientific evidence of a global flood. Really it's just scientific evidence of spherical obsidian on Mt Ararat . . . the rest is conjecture at best.

    Science is simply the method we use to uncover and demonstrate truths . . . if it doesn't accomplish that (demonstrate a truth) repeatedly and consistently, then the jury's still out.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Thanks, sizmik. Good point.

  • rebel8
  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    As usual,Qualiasoup videos are awesome.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Good explanation of the scientific method, unfortunately it will fall on death ears when it comes to the stupid.....

    I studied Chemistry to degree level, yet I still stayed a witness until I was 42, and I know other witnesses with science degrees who still have the ability to turn off their training and continue to consume the WTS bullshit. Faith will continue to overcome common sense and rationality if you want it to.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Beautiful post EP! Nicely summarized.

    I would like to add a few more thoughts to the idea of falsifying.

    Humans are strongly prone to confirmation bias. We have an idea or a belief, and we spend a great deal of energy confirming that belief. This leads us to accept evidence that confirms and to reject evidence that denies. This is the beauty of the scientific method. It forces a scientist to work counterintuitively and instead of putting energy into proving a hypothesis (or theory) true, they must do everything in their power to prove that their beloved idea is false. Then they must invite everyone in the world to prove their hypothesis false. And they must do this thousands and thousands of times. The hypothesis must hold up to every assault and if it fails once, it is falsified. At this point, it either needs to be tweaked or discarded. If it does hold after every known test is thrown at it, only then can it graduate to the prestigious Theory.

    Why is a theory not safe? Hasn't it been proven beyond all doubt that it is not false? Yes, for the moment. But as we gain new knowledge and methods we will come up with new tests. An excellent example of this is evolution. The theory was formulated before we had any real knowledge about genetics. Would it hold up to this new knowledge? Absolutely, and not only that, it has been predictive.

    For instance, the three necessary conditions for natural selection are:

    Variation in trait

    The trait must be inherited

    The trait must affect differential fitness (a measure of reproductive success)

    Darwin didn't know about genetics. But this hypothesis predicts that traits are inherited by SOME vehicle even though he did not understand that process. Now we know a lot about how traits are inherited. The theory made a good prediction. None of these new methods or knowledge have been able to falsify the theory of evolution.

    NC

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    Qualia soup says it better - than I ever attempt to.

    Should be required curriculum content at all schools.

  • Knowsnothing
    Knowsnothing

    In other words, science is a healthy dose of skepticism that allows us to test the universe for what it really is and debunk false commonly held beliefs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OLPL5p0fMg

    I also wanted to add this video, because this is precisely what the WT discourages, especially in assemblies. I also wanted to cite something that jwfacts used to have on his website, I believe it was an Awake! that said, "Are we willing to examine evidence that challenges our most cherished beliefs and adjust our beliefs accordingly?", or something to that effect.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    I've been nursing an addiciton to these Quailia soup videos all morning.

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