Can the "new" disfellowshipping announcement be used on "inactive-faders"?

by booker-t 30 Replies latest members private

  • IT Support
    IT Support

    Joyzabel,

    my bad, IT, hubby said it was a BOE letter in the 80's that said to destroy any records, except judicial meetings after 7 years. I guess that 7 is a more complete number. or signifies human perfection, oh wtf, whatever. But hubby did say some elders did what they wanted to.

    I seem to remember there was an instruction back then to destroy old Record Cards after 8 years, but it only meant that Record Cards older than 8 years were destroyed. It was so the secretary's file wasn't clogged up with the Record Cards of some old-timers who'd been publishing for 50-odd years! So only the last eight years (or four cards) were retained.

    I wonder if that's what your hubby was thinking about?

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    Couldn't you sue?

    If you have emotional issue following being publically dfed I bet you'd have a case because:

    a/ Youre being slandered (You have not said you wanted to be dfed and have not broken any society laws - df status is on those who break such laws and therefore you are arguably having doubt cast upon your character in the light of the announcement)
    b/ The society has not honoured its agreement to you(see v2!):

    (New Testament | Titus 3:1 - 3)

    1 PUT them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
    2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
    3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

    c/ You stand to lose friends and family relationships on a misapplied principle (ie there is enough debate within the organisation to suggest that anyone who dfs from the stand for non attendance is acting on their own whim - the society is culpable for not training its people.)

  • SadElder
    SadElder

    RE: Time to keep records. Here is a quote from a KM 2/74

    * How long should items be retained in the congregation file?

    Records dealing with finances are to be kept at least seven years or longer, as required by the statute of limitations in your state. This includes such records as those pertaining to magazine and literature accounts. Records on building a Kingdom Hall, major repairs, and others that may be needed or useful beyond seven years may be kept indefinitely.

    After one year, copies of subscription slips, literature and handbill and magazine order forms, temporary pioneer applications and similar items may be destroyed.

    Publisher?s Record cards should be retained showing at least the last eight years of activity for each publisher. Older cards may be destroyed. Monthly field service report slips, after being tabulated and posted on Publisher?s Record cards, do not have to be retained. Monthly field service records and meeting attendance records for the congregation will be kept eight years, or longer if desired.

    Letters from the circuit overseer informing the congregation of circuit assemblies, his visit to the congregation, etc., may be discarded after the event that they discuss has passed. Circuit overseer?s reports on visits to the congregation and related correspondence will be retained at least eight years.

    Material dealing with the appointment of elders, ministerial servants and those serving as regular pioneers will be kept indefinitely.

    Printed letters from the Society dealing with special issues of magazines, travel to international assemblies, etc. can be disposed of after the special activity or assembly that they discuss has passed. It would be well to keep indefinitely letters of instruction, such as: How to Handle Subscriptions Properly (S-11), Instructions for Congregation Accounting (S-27), Public Meeting Talk Titles (S-99), How to Request a Territory Adjustment (S-6), Congregation Territory Assignment (S-54), and letters of instruction regarding pioneering, also current public meeting, funeral, and Memorial outlines.

    Judicial matters: Confidential correspondence dealing with serious judicial matters should be kept in a safe place, accessible only to elders. It should be retained for at least five years from the date a case is handled to its completion, or longer if the elders deem it advisable in certain cases.

    We realize that the above does not cover every item or piece of correspondence, but the general guidelines will be of help to the elders with the file.

  • TheWord
    TheWord
    My sister who has been inactive for over 10 years is extremely nervous with the '' new" DF rule. She worries that as an inactive JW the elders can say "she is no longer one of JW's" because she has been inactive for so long. Basically she does not want to be a JW anymore but is afraid my mom will shun her if she publicly states this. My mom and sister are best friends and this would hurt my sister terribly if my mom shuns her. She is really scared and called me up the other day crying saying she received a phone call from the presiding overseer from her old KH asking her can he and other elders visit her. Does anyone know if this new DF rule can put my sister out and cause shunning from my mom. And trust me my mom will shun my sister if a DF announcement is made. She stopped talking to me 12 years ago when I left the JW's. Does anybody have any answers I can give my sister.

    What are your reasons for disfellowshipping? Why not just continue to love your sister? word up

  • Forscher
    Forscher

    I've been watching this issue unfold with interest since I've been inactive for a few years myself. In the last three years, Nobody has even bothered to call to see if I'm still alive much less what's going on. Now, all of a sudden, An elder from the last congregation I was in showed up where my wife works and asked if he could stop by for a visit! The day he said he wanted to come by, he called and left a message on my phone leaving his number and that of another elder asking me to call and arrainge a convenient time for a visit. So I am understandably wondering what -the-hay is going on.

  • Seeker4
    Seeker4

    I'm discussing this same issue in a different thread on this board. Do a search on Seeker4 and you should find the threads.

    I've been inactive 10 years, and absolutely no meetings or Memorial attendance in at least 6-7 years.

    Seven months ago I left my wife and am living with another woman. Two months ago, the CO and a congregation elder visited me, and a few weeks later I was invited to a judicial committee meeting. They had previously asked me a couple of times if I wanted to be a JW - and told me they could just announcce that I "was no longer one of JWs." I told them I understoood that that was really the same as dfing me, and I refused to go along with it, and I refused to disassociate myself.

    After they invited me to the JC meeting, I wrote them a 10 page letter, stating that I considered their actions harrassment and I would individually sue the elders (not the WTS) if they proceeded to DF me. That was several weeks ago. They were meeting the night after I gave them the letter, but I haven't heard a word, and there has been no announcement at the Hall.

    They said they were seeking me out because I was so well known in the circuit - even though I'd been gone a long time. The public adultery on my part is no doubt a complicating factor in my case!

    Hard to say what they're doing with your sister - but they are coming after some of us.

    S4

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    i can't imagine them disfellowshipping inactive ones, i think they would be too afraid of them becoming openly hostile towards the "organization" yikes i shiver when i say that.

    just reading about this makes my dizzy. sheesh how complicated the lives of these people are.

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    ((((((((joelbear))))))))) so happy to hear from you again.

  • Dustin
    Dustin

    I hope everything works out for your sister. That religion makes up new rules all the time. Hopefully she doesn't talk to them, and they just go away again.

  • TheListener
    TheListener

    My suggestion is that your sister just not speak with them. To save the relationship with your mother.

    It does seem that some elder bodies have taken the offensive to clean out any faded ones. I believe that this will have a negative effect on the loved ones of those that have faded. If someone faded and your dub relatives still treat you normally they don't want their boat rocked either. They know you could have DA'd or gotten DF'd but didn't. This could piss a whole lot of upstanding dubs off. I think the society will clear it up within a year to ensure that doesn't happen. Perhaps at the upcoming elder/ms school.

    Of course, they could just like it and encourage it. When have they done the smart or humane thing.

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