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Are You Sure Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral?

Human Dimension Implementation Meeting

The ODIHR organizes an annual meeting in Warsaw to review the implementation of a broad range of OSCE human dimension commitments, including in the areas of human rights and fundamental freedoms, elections, the promotion of tolerance, use of the death penalty, and the rights of national minorities.

The Human Dimension Implementation Meeting (HDIM) lasts 10 working days and is attended by representatives of OSCE participating States, NGOs, and international organizations and institutions.

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The opening session of the Human Dimension Implementation Meeting, Warsaw, 19 September 2005. (OSCE)

http://www.osce.org/odihr/16533.html

So, you say that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't "political" or take any part in the affairs of the world?  Then take a look at some of these pictures!  How many "flags" do you see in the picture above? This is an example of the place and people the Watchtower representatives will be rubbing shoulders with!  Click here:

http://www.osce.org/publications/odihr/2006/09/20658_674_en.pdf

How many times do you see the word "democratic" on this page?

http://www.osce.org/odihr/13406.html

And what about this one?

http://www.osce.org/odihr/13421.html

Do these look like Watchtower and Awake magazines?  Or a "political" brochure?

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ODIHR Director Christian Strohal (left) and Bruce George, President Emeritus of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly, at a news conference in Vienna, 21 April 2005. (OSCE/Alex Nitzsche)

http://www.osce.org/odihr/13405.html

2006 OSCE Human Dimension Implementation Meeting!

Final List Of Participants---(see page 2 of pdf listed below)

OSCE Delegations/Partners For Co-Operation!---(see page 3 of pdf listed below)

Now let us see who we have here?

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And what about here?

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And one more time here?
 
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Click on the link provided below and scroll down to numbers 102, 103, 248, and 314 in the blue boxes to the left of the organization's name. 
 
 
 
 
What does the Watchtower say about "political" involvement?
 
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 "False religion’s involvement in the affairs of the political nations will lead ultimately to her own devastation."
 
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So what part of the word HYPOCRISY does the Watchtower not understand?
 
thanks to Towerwatcher!
 
posted by Randy
 
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daystarRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
Zing! So much for remaining "no part of this world".
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daniel-pRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
And you know they're just doing it to make themselves look good to those european countries because they have had a rough time gaining legitimacy.
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fullofdoubtnowRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

Good find Randy.

The wts have been involved in these type of events before, there was one in Cordoba, Spain they were represented at. They just don't tell their members about them, and will no doubt be thinking of their excuse now their involvement has come to light, just in case any jw asks.

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OUTLAWRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral -
One more nail in the WBT$ coffin..Unlikely many JW`s will hear about it..Those who do,won`t care..It only makes a difference when it`s made public..Good one Randy...OUTLAW
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Doubting BroRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

I wish I could say I'm suprised but I'm not. I noticed that not only are they going to their conferences (with folks that want to work through the politicial process even though the big A is "very, very close") but did you notice that Mr. Gillet is the CHAIRMAN of the Religious Freedom Subcommittee?? And Mr. Toffoli is also a member of that Subcommittee.

I can tell you that if a r&f were that involved with a political action group or lobbying group, they would be forced to resign or be df'ed.

Wow, what a hypocritical organization. I know their excuse would be that they are just working to "legally defend & establish the good news". But, I don't seem to recall the scripture where Paul or the other apostles joined lobbying groups to try to convince the Roman Emperor to chill out with the persecution or to give Christians the right to legally worship. They use the scripture about legally defending the truth yet Paul was referring to being hauled in front of various governmental bodies, not working through them to affect change. At least, that's what the WTS teaches. I guess its the case of do as I say, not as I do.

Did they not think they would get caught? Or has the fact that they've been able to surpress the UN NGO thing so well (I'll bet 95% of JWs have no idea), that they've become brazen? It's probably because they simply don't care. They'll df anyone who says anything about it just like the NGO deal.

On the plus side, it sure makes it easier for me to push myself away from this mess!

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restrangledRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

Dogpatch,]

As a sideline to your find, on the watchtower.org website I found 2 pages devoted to the problems of children--solved which was basically a plug for the United Nations and Unicef. taken from the December 8th, 2000, Awake.  In addition there is an entire page listing Unicef's childrens rights they are trying to implement around the world.

I find this extremely ironic since JW's are discouraged from giving to any charity.  The meaning of "Being no part of this world" seems to fluctuate at any given moment.  I wonder how many JW's would feel seeing what you found, but since they are told not to search on the internet, most will never know.

r.

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MacHislopp  Re: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

Hello Dogpatch,

just to tell you great...great,  great indeed.

There are no more words to describe the WTBS Inc.

as one of great hypocrite organization.  It goes to

the same degree as the ONU  affair.

By the way  Marcel Gilet has been for  years, member

of the Belgian Bethel.

I'll take every single page , including the links , save it

and make a booklet to give to some friends... in Europe

and Australia, and also in India.

Thanks again,

 

JC  MacHislopp

 

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DogpatchRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

Thanks for the tip Restrangled, and hi to all of you!

Randy

 

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GermanXJWRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
Good to have all those E-Mail-Adresses...
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JWFreakRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral -
as an elder waiting for my deletion announcement this week....I am really shocked!!!

I mean I know that things are bad.....really shocked

Thanks Dogpatch

BTW a quick Hi to DB

JWFreak
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M.J.Re: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

I like what Narkissos posted a the thread about the WTS involvement with cesnur:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/121476/2147246/post.ashx#2147246

Imo what most JWs call "politics" is actually the institutional structure and working of democracy. After all, they hardly think of Bible characters such as Joseph, Mordecai or the kings of Israel as "politicians," do they?

In representative democracy there are several ways to influence the legislative process. One is institutional (the election of representatives with a specific, although not mandatory, program). The other is lobbying, which may imply both working on public opinion (especially through the media) and secretly pressuring the decision-makers, unbeknownst to the mass of the voters and taxpayers. The latter is the least "democratic" and, interestingly, the least objectionable to the Watchtower.

The very fact that the WT representatives keep this kind of action secret and duck away as soon as it is revealed is telling. Realpolitik is to be screened away from the candid average publisher who really believes that the entire political system and religious organisations are Satan's realm, and that Jehovah will defend his people provided they stay clean from this world.

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RabbitRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

My, my, my...apparently they "rub elbows" with not only governments, NGO's , PAC's, but, many other religious groups, too. I noticed Muslim, Mormon, Catholic and many, many others.

Personally, I think they are doing a good thing by reaching out and embracing the real world.

Of course there is that pesky little problem of, ummmm...hypocrisy ?

Btw, did anyone notice all the telephone #'s, addresses, names and e-mail addressesof our former taskmasters...that just fell into the hands of the largest Ex-JW discussion board ? And Wow ! They came from a worldly org, that our former org belongs to ! Hmmm...I wonder. I have this idea forming...now it's on the tip of my tongue...

 See ?

Rabbit

 

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bobldRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

Very good post.They want democracy and freedom of speech only for

the (Governing body, that is the Hilter type).They want the R&F to be neutral.

If the R&F speak up they are (killed) Disfellowshipped.

bobld

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MomofmanyRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
I know I shouldn't be, but I was surprised. Thanks for posting this.
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TheOldHippieRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
Yeah, yeah, chop my head off - but as I've sais before, I don't get the fuzz over this. This is no political establishment, these are not people governing nations or making laws, discussing taxes or foreign affairs or how much to use on warfare or whatever. This is discussing religious freedom, standing up for one's organization, exchanging views, it's sort of an extended publishing/door-to-door work. Soem of you guys have stood up in your classrooms and defended your JW faith, writing essays, and pupils today are given rewards for essays, hold talks in fron of the whole school etc. The Stand Firm exhibition has toured large parts of the world. Here they gather to discuss, and JW representatives try to give their faith as much elbow room as possible and to clear up misunderstandings, and to knit contacts in countries where they are repressed as France and Belgium and Austria. I don't get it, why the fuzz?     
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truthsetsonefreeRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral -
"This is no political establishment, these are not people governing nations or making laws, discussing taxes or foreign affairs or how much to use on warfare or whatever. This is discussing religious freedom, standing up for one's organization, exchanging views, it's sort of an extended publishing/door-to-door work. Soem of you guys have stood up in your classrooms and defended your JW faith, writing essays, and pupils today are given rewards for essays, hold talks in fron of the whole school etc. The Stand Firm exhibition has toured large parts of the world. Here they gather to discuss, and JW representatives try to give their faith as much elbow room as possible and to clear up misunderstandings, and to knit contacts in countries where they are repressed as France and Belgium and Austria."

I can understand that. (Sorry Firefox doesn't do quote boxes)I used to wonder this myself. The problem is that they are using so-called worldly tactics rather than waiting on Jehovah. Its the same kind of double standard Ray Franz spoke about in ISOCF with doctors and the blood issue. Can you imagine them telling regular publishers that they can serve on union boards or as shop stewards? Or sanction them going to seminars and conferences to network with others in their fields? Even when they don't criticize it, they scare the s**t out of you by warning you of all of the terrible dangers involved. They make it sound like everyone who attends these things are making out in the halls and committing adultery behind their spouses backs.

tsof
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darth frostyRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

C'mon now.  They were led to believe that this was a meeting to ensure that the district conventions could be organized.  This is just another attempt by satan to make the WTBT$ look bad (as if they dont do a good enough job of it on their own.)

Great find.  I love this board.  Every time I come here, I find more and more validation of why I left that cult (as if I needed any more.)

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GermanXJWRe: Re: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
I am pretty sure the OSCE has quite large a library.
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AtlantisRe: JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

What are some of the main "goals" of this meeting?

 
2006 OSCE Human Dimension Implementation Meeting (HDIM)

alt The Human Dimension Implementation Meeting (HDIM) is the OSCE's most important human rights event of the year. At this conference representatives of governments and civil society from the 56 participating States reviewed the implementation of the existing commitments and the procedures and mechanisms for monitoring and enhancing compliance with these commitments.

The 2006 OSCE HDIM took place in Warsaw, Poland, from October 2-13, 2006. At the top of this year's agenda were anti-trafficking and non-discrimination issues. Other special topics for discussion included access to justice and promotion of tolerance, and mutual respect and understanding.

U.S. goals for this conference include:
• To demonstrate U.S. commitment to human rights and democracy, and to show support for NGOs working in these fields.
• To generate political will among OSCE participating States for implementing OSCE commitments in the Human Dimension.
• To exchange views on Human Dimension topics with other delegations and NGOs.
• To raise the OSCE´s public profile as an organization tackling current threats to stability and human dignity and to raise awareness of the relevance of the Human Dimension within the organization.

 

So the main "goals" are to:

(1) Promote human rights and DEMOCRACY

(2) To grenerate POLITICAL will

(3) To RAISE the OSCE's PROFILE

Now do you see any words in those "goals" that even remotely mention God?  Jesus Christ?  The Holy Spirit?

It is all POLITICS and participating in GLORIFYING organizations of the world!  In-other-words, more SPIRITUAL FORNICATION!

Cheers!  Atlantis-

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