DENMARK TV - JW CHILD ABUSE SHOW TRANCRIPT - HUGE!

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  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/dagsdato.php3?id=510

    English Transcript is as follows:

    Speak from the anchorman:

    A father abusing his own children sexually is some of the most cruel situations that exist.

    Something most of us reject and that we if we hear about it wants the social securities to investigate so the victims can get the proper help and so that the guilty will be prosecuted.

    But that is not the reaction everywhere. In this program that you will see several women tell about sexual abuse. And in their need for help they went to their elders in the Jehovah's Witnesses and were told to be silent.

    A double punishment that according to several witnesses is not unusual in the closed environment within the Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Intro - the anchorman speaks along with the first pictures of Dorthe in kitchen.

    We are going to the north of Jutland. Here we meet Dorthe Tveiti - 38, married and mother to three children. Two years ago she started remembering her childhood - a childhood that has marked her for life.

    Dorthe:

    I was lying in my bed at night about to go to sleep. I always took my blanket so it covered my head, and I would sweat, but I did not dare pulling away the blanket because I was shaking. Some times I shook so much that the bed was tumbling.

    Reporter:

    Dorthe Tveiti is the youngest of three sisters. She is brought up on a farm in the little village Morum Northjutland.

    Dorthe:

    One of the first things I remember was that I was sitting on a couch in the living room and Henry my father came towards me and forced me to have oral sex - that is the first memory.

    How old were you?

    I was four years old.

    Reporter:

    The father Henry was a farmer and the mother was a housekeeper in the small society where everybody took care of their own business. Dorthe tried one time to tell about the abuse - but the father got to know about it.

    Dorthe:

    He beat me up very bad. He said why have you told about it? - It was the stable where he beat me till finally I start coughing up blood. He beat me up real bad.

    Reporter:

    The abuse continued and culminated when Dorthe Tveiti was 12 years old.

    She got pregnant with her fathers child.

    Dorthe:

    So I say "Dad what do we do with this child" and he says "I will fix that" and then I know what will happen since he is a very violent man - I know that he will simply kill that child. The night that I deliver the baby - it is between 11 and 1 pm, then he takes the baby and goes to the kitchen, it is a little girl - she is healthy.

    What happens then?

    He walks to the kitchen and closes the door, then after a few seconds she stops crying.

    Why did you not do anything?

    What could I do - I was trapped, I could not do anything, and he would lie about it, I did not think about doing anything since I was so used to being abused.

    What did your mother do?

    She cleaned up after the delivery, washed me, and then she came to the couch and gave me a glass of milk and some bread with cheese and then she goes to the kitchen. I can hear them talk and after a while both of them come into the living room and then he says, "It is dead - and we will never talk about this again."

    And you never spoke about it afterwards?

    Never.

    Reporter:

    Two years ago, 24 years after it happened, Dorthe came forward with the accusations. But she had the odds against her. Nobody could confirm her pregnancy.

    Reporter:

    It is a tough accusation that involves murder and abuse, you come forward so many years after it actually happened. A typical person might ask, can this be true?

    Dorthe:

    Yes I know it is hard to accept but I can in detail remember what happened, what clothes I was wearing, where we were in the room, the feelings I had, the smell of the milk and the cheese I had, I can remember everything.

    Yes, but after 20 years?

    Yes but it has been so hard that I had to forget it, I simply could not stand thinking about it.

    Reporter:

    Dorthe stands weak in her accusations, since she first has memories about pregnancy and abuse so many years after it actually happened. But she has some witnesses that confirm her explanation. For example Dorthe's big brother wants to be anonymous but while he was living at home he witnessed several episodes.

    Henning:

    My father was tongue kissing my little sister - it was gross looking at.

    Reporter:

    Dorthe is not alone in her accusations against her father. Her big sister also accuses the father of sexual abuse. She does not want to be interviewed because of personal reasons. And now the father's grandchild tells about being abused also.

    Randy:

    It was in the mouth that he did it. That does not sound nice. Did you ever tell him to stop it or that you wanted to go home?

    Randy:

    Yes once when he did it on my little brother I tried to push him away and then he grabbed me by my neck and said that if I told my mom and dad he would kill me.

    The two women's story is quite bizarre but their family is also members of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Apparently several witnesses had second thoughts about the father's behaviour - but nobody reacted.

    Henning:

    They came to me and said that it was strange how my father kissed my little sister.

    Why did they not do anything about it?

    I do not know why because they definitely noticed the wrong behaviour - but I guess that is a part of being a Jehovah's Witness that you remain silent.

    Reporter:

    The church's law dictates members to seek counselling with the leaders of the local congregation - the so called elders, if there is problems within the family. And Dorthe followed the congregation rules. She went for help with two elders, a factory worker and a window washer. Their fear was mainly concern about how the public would react.

    Dorthe:

    They said you do not want to tell the police because then you will have journalists lined up in front of your house. And the investigation will take a long time, it was as if we would be better off if we did not report this, we felt it was a threat in the way they said it.

    Why do you think they reacted that way?

    They want to cover up that such things happen, instead of taking care of it - they want to hide it.

    Reporter:

    And Randy Frederiksen also tried to get help from the elders at the local congregation. Their reaction was totally negative.

    Randy:

    They said they did not believe us and they treated us very bad.

    Reporter:

    Dorthe Tveiti and her sister were advised to confront the father with the accusations here in at Jehovah's Witnesses church at Aars in Northjutland. The father denied the accusations and since allegation stood against allegation Jehovah's Witness would not do anything about it. Dorthe Tveiti finally went to the police. When this occurred only then did the elders establish an investigation. A half year later their conclusion was:

    Dorthe:

    My father was to be looked upon as being innocent and the case was closed, nobody must ever talk about it again, and we were not allowed to talk about it.

    Randy:

    They say that it never happened, they nothing they could do about it, we shall respect him, he is such an old man and we should feel pity for him.

    Reporter:

    The two women's experience with Jehovah's Witness' dealing with the matter is not unique. Right now the police in Scotland press charges against Jehovah's Witness for withholding information regarding a father who abused his children sexually.

    In USA there are several cases where Jehovah's Witnesses try to cover up cases about sexual abuse.

    Bill Bowen was two years ago an elder in a Jehovah's Witness congregation in the USA state of Kentucky. As an elder he came to acknowledge about fellow member who abused children.

    Bill Bowen:

    So in my attempts to protect that child as well as warn the congregation that he was a child molester I was told by the organization, the legal department to leave it in God's hands and not to report the matter.

    Reporter:

    When an elder receives information about abuse in the congregation, he is required to call the main office Watchtower in Brooklyn NY about how to deal with the matter. Jehovah's Witnesses guidelines MUST be followed by the local congregations - a law, which is above, mans law.

    Bill Bowen:

    So if the governing body says theocratic procedure requires you do not report this, and you do not obey, you disobey God.

    Reporter:

    But Bill Bowen decided to go against the guidelines of Jehovah's Witnesses. He came forward to the public and told about the organizations cover up on child abuse.

    Bill Bowen:

    The policy by the Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses by their leadership is 100 % the same in any country in the entire world. So if you are in Denmark or in Kentucky you WILL follow the policy on how child abuse is investigated and how it is handled.

    I think the same problem that exists in the USA will continue to exist in Denmark and across other countries. Children are going to be molested, child molesters are going to be protected, so the paedophile paradise is alive and well in the USA and Denmark has their own paedophile paradise created by Watchtower policy.

    Reporter:

    Dorthe Tveiti is better after long treatment. She will soon start an education as a social worker. Randy Fredriksen starts in January at the nursing school. They are both still member of the Jehovah's Witnesses though they do not go to meetings in the congregation.

    Randy:

    They do not want to be with me, even though I am not rejected, some of my friends just do not contact me anymore, and some has directly told me that I am bad association.

    Dorthe Tveiti:

    In the organisation that you have always led to believe that justice would happen in the congregation, such people are not to be tolerated, and then you find out that nothing happens - at least nothing happened with my father, he is just to be considered innocent, and we are not to talk about it anymore, it is like having your feet swept off the floor.

    Reporter:

    After a long investigation the case against Dorthe Tveiti's father was shelved. The accusations about abuse are outdated. It has not been possible to find the remains of Dorthe Tveit's daughter. She still hopes that someday her daughter will be found.

    Dorthe:

    I think about her everyday, she is still a part of me.

    What would bring you closure?

    If I found her, so I had a place to go, that would bring me closure.

    The anchorman there after has an interview with Erik Jorgensen the press speaker of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Denmark. He denies everything.

    The anchorman after the interview says:

    We have of course tried to get in touch with Dorthe Tveiti's father, but he does not answer our phone calls.

    Edited by - hawkaw on 29 November 2002 15:52:47

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Does anybody know about the Scotland issue?????? This is huge!!!

    I would like to thanks Silentlambs and an unknown person for sending me a copy of the transcript that was translated into English.

    hawk

  • JT
    JT
    She went for help with two elders, a factory worker and a window washer.

    when wt puts men with this type if background in charge of such a serious issues it becomes very clear why they have the problems they do

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    I just sent this Email to the Scottish Police to see what the hell is going on.

    hawk

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    November 28, 2002

    Att'n Detective Superintendent Allan McFadyen, Strathclyde Police, Scotland

    Dear Det. Superintendent McFadyen,

    I contacted your police force by electronic mail on July 23, 2002 regarding a Jehovah's Witnesses child abuse investigation. You kindly responded to my Email both by Email and in writing on July 24, 2002 and I thank you kindly for your response. I work with an advocates group, Silentlambs, who are trying to alert the public to the problem of child abuse/rape in the Watchtower organization.

    As I stated previously to you, I completely understand the confidentiality aspects of any police case. However, a Denmark TV show is reporting that a Scottish police investigation has led to charges being laid on certain Jehovah's Witnesses for withholding information in a child abuse complaint. The url link is here -

    http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/dagsdato.php3?id=510

    I can get you am English transcript for your review if you want one.

    Can you at least confirm or deny the information. And if you can confirm that charges have been laid can you let me know what exactly is stated in the charges that can be made public. I completely understand about not wanting to "spoil" an investigation and thus, I do not want to know anything more than what can be made public.

    Again thanks for your time in this important matter and thank you kindly for protecting little kids.

    xxxx

  • Hans Tveiti
    Hans Tveiti

    Her name is not Dorothy, its Dorthe

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Thanks Hans and welcome. I only received the translation a little while ago and I did not know the person correct name.

    This was a very powerful story. Just stunning.

    I will make the correct change to this thread.

    If there are any other mistakes you are aware of please let me know.

    hawk

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    bttt

  • Hans Tveiti
    Hans Tveiti

    The Elder told Dorthe when the final decision, came on the accusation against Dorthe's father.

    One of the Elders said to Dorthe. "We have proff without doubt, that you have not been pregnant in the year 1978". The evidence was a photo of Dorthe that year wearing big winter clothes. 14 days after I phoned the police in Lgstr, and they had not been shown the Elder's evidence. The elders knew that the photos was no proof.

  • Francois
    Francois

    The original post starts out with this statement:

    "Something most of us reject and that we if we hear about it wants the social securities to investigate so the victims can get the proper help and so that the guilty will be prosecuted."

    I may make some people who read this angry; so be it. Know, however, those of you who don't already know, that I was involved with a woman for six years who had full-blown multiple personality disorder as a result of child sex abuse perpetrated by her father, her mother, her grandfather, and a married couple of JW pioneers. I yield to no one in my justification to want revenge; to want to rip her abusers limb from limb slowly, etc.

    However, the more calm, rational, and intelligent part of my mental processes says that the perpetrator(s) of this kind of abuse are themselves ill; they are very sick - otherwise how to justify this behavior in their own minds? The quote above says that we want to help the victim and prosecute the the guilty. What about help the guilty? Believe me, it has taken me many years of contemplation, meditation to get to that place in my heart and mind where I can even conceive of such a thing.

    I know, for instance, that her father was abused as a child. I know that her mother was abused as a child. In fact her mother was abused by her own father - that same grandfather that abused my woman. Likely the pioneer couple were both abused. Likely all abusers have themselves been abused. I wonder about homosexual abuse, since homosexuals tend to be born that way, so they claim. I haven't arrived at any personal conclusion about that particular aspect of the abuse issue. Perhaps one day I'll know what I think about it, but not today.

    My question is as above: do we want revenge on the abuser or do we want to help the abuser as much as we do the victim? I've heard child abusers say that they should be executed because if they are let out of jail they know they will abuse again. Certainly then society - if it wants to protect itself as opposed to satisfying its desire for simple revenge - needs to carefully consider this question and decide. Perhaps we require therapy, intense therapy while abusers are incarcerated. Perhaps we have an environment that isn't exactly incarceration, where the abuser isn't placed in the general prision population (child sex abusers are in immediate and mortal danger from the general prison population, who will not tolerate a child sex abuser in their midst. They take matters into their own hands and they do so at first opportunity). Perhaps we have a non-prison setting for the abuser to receive therapy. Yes, they could run. But to where? The sentence would be indeterminate, so that the abuser could not play the system. You can rely on the fact that an incarcerated person is among the slickest con artists known, and will say and/or do anything to gain release. So release would have to be dependant on factors unknown to the abuser.

    It's obvious we need to do something differently. Our current approach of throwing child sex abusers in jail is obviously not working. They get out and abuse again right away. The recidivism rate of child sex abusers is the highest of all incarcerated individuals. I believe the celebrated cases of Polly Klass (is it?) and Meghan of Meghan's Law and others had a common factor and the common factor was that their abuser/murderer was a recidivist. So obviously we need something else. I've floated my idea. What's yours?

  • searcher
    searcher

    Francois,

    I dont care if the abuser goes to prison, or to a secure facility for intense therapy.

    All I care about is that the abuse STOPS, and is not allowed to be covered up or protected by stupid 3000 year + old rules, continued in a modern world by people who have no grasp on reality.

    Theropy may be the answer, but at the end of the day, protection of victims and potential victims is the urgent priority.

    searcher.

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