My First Impressions of War

by Robdar 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    I remember one winter morning when I was 4 my mother telling me to put on my dress, we were going to the neighbor's house. As we walked along, I noticed that my mother was carrying a steaming casserole dish. I asked her what we were doing. She said that our neighbor's son had died and that we were taking some food to them. Since I had never known anybody that died, I was very curious.

    When we got to the neighbor's house, I saw that the mother and father were seated on the sofa. The mother was weeping and the father, with tears streaming down his face, was doing his best to comfort her.

    On a table, given a position of honor, was a folded flag and some sort of metal stars. I remember thinking that this was not a proper exchange. These people had given up their youngest son and all they got was a flag and a couple of stars?

    I grew up with Viet Nam in my living room. Every evening at 6, Uncle Walty came on the TV giving me the latest update on the horrible war that seemed to go on forever. Yes, I was never a veteran, I never had to put my life on the line for my country, but I still wept from seeing the effects of what war could do. The knowledge that these dear men who died (for what?) would never see their family, or their loved ones again.

    Viet Nam, for whatever reason, was a lost cause.

    These dead men have their names on a memorial wall here in Kansas City and other places. Their families have their medals and a flag. I wonder if the families of these men still miss their sons, father, brothers. I wonder if they think that it was all worth it.

  • LB
    LB

    I lost many good friends in Nam. I've never thought it was worth it.

  • kenpodragon
    kenpodragon

    My father was in NAM and he would be the first to tell you. The men did not fight for our country, they fought for each other. They were all in this, and they just wanted to do there best to get everyone back home. He said it was the worse two years of his life, scared the crap out of him. I could just imagine, seeing your buddy blow up in front of you ... how would you live with that.

    Yet in the same vein WW1 and WW2, and other wars did need to happen.

    My thought

    Dragon

  • out4good3
    out4good3
    Viet Nam, for whatever reason, was a lost cause.

    Only because of the political "Armchair Generals" in Washington who insisted on running it instead of giving the military the means and the real authority to really do what it would've taken to win.

  • pettygrudger
    pettygrudger

    I was to young to remember vietnam - I was only 1. But I had an uncle that served. He never got over whatever happened to him over there, nor would he ever talk about it. Growing up, I remember hearing my mother & father discuss my Uncles depression & mental unbalance. Nothing could help him. He attempted suicide 3x & was in & out of the VA hospital for the last 30 years.

    Sadly, 3 weeks ago this same uncle ran around his front yard with a broomstick he had made appear to be a gun. Because of his recently found religious beliefs, he couldn't commit suicide, so he made himself appear so dangerous the cops shot him to death. All the family knows it was all the talk of "war" again that sent him into the deep depression he couldn't get out of. If only we had known how far he had gone.

    This just proves, its not only those that die in war - its also those that must serve & then try to come home & rebuild their lives with what ever experiences they must bring back with them.

    God Bless all of them.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Vietnam was a joke. A total waste. NEVER let politicians make military decisions. In retrospect, we came out pretty good. Vietnam is still a mess and they lost a couple of million people. A waste of people. Bad war. I still fail to see how they thought that the U.S. could win by just sitting there and not attacking the North. Thankfully, the Military has learned its lesson.

  • Robdar
    Robdar
    Yet in the same vein WW1 and WW2, and other wars did need to happen.

    I agree, some wars do need to happen. The cost of freedom is never free.

    What I am concerned about is, does this war that we are contemplating with Iraq need to happen? Is it necessary? Are our personal liberties being threatened? Will we one day look back with anger at our government for directing us into a military action with Iraq? Will we be proud that our sons, husbands, dads, friends gave their life for a war that may not be what it seems to be?

    Robyn

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    Vietnam was a joke. A total waste.

    The irony is that right after World War II, Ho Chi Minh (N. Vietnamese leader) really liked the United States and wanted our help in establishing a free country after the Japan occupation troops were defeated. But the U.S., with more political ties to France, let France reestablish it's colonial regime. Eight years later, the N. Vietnamese kicked out the French, and instead of just letting it be, we got caught in a political quagmire (sp).

  • jws
    jws
    What I am concerned about is, does this war that we are contemplating with Iraq need to happen? Is it necessary? Are our personal liberties being threatened? Will we one day look back with anger at our government for directing us into a military action with Iraq? Will we be proud that our sons, husbands, dads, friends gave their life for a war that may not be what it seems to be?

    What I do know is that nobody has been attacked - at least not since Kuwait. Seems to me we are merely going to go in and attack somebody because now they may have weapons to somewhat compete with the US and the US doesn't want competition. Weapons-of-mass-destruction are bad - except when it's us. And we're merely guessin that they have them and that they'd be used against us.

    As for true motiviations? Who knows? Is it some plan for oil-control? Is it because Jr. wants to go defend the family name and finally defeat Sadam? Is it a personal vendetta? Is it a Jew vs. Arab thing? I seem to recall that after the Afghanistan thing, the first person saying "now let's go after Iraq" was Joe Leiberman, a practicing Jew.

    Seems like meddling in Middle-Eastern affairs is what prompted 9-11 in the first place. If we start attacking their countries one-by-one, I think we'll be the the target of a lot more attempted terrorist attacks.

    Is Saddam a threat to us? I don't honestly know. I'd have to look past the propaganda, but don't know where to get reliable info. I do know the past decade has been fairly quiet aside from weapons inspection issues. And after 9/11, I've lost faith in our government. It seems to be a bit aversive. "We have proof Osama is behind it (but we can't show it - give us some more time, oh, here's a grainy video)".

    It's too early to tell. Maybe history will tell us of secret US motivations we were totally unaware of and will make us real angry for going along (like to gain control of oil fields or get better prices). Or, maybe when documents are declassified, we will discover that Saddam is more dangerous than we imagined and was planning things that would make Hitler look small-time.

    I'm still hoping we can avoid war.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Double Edge,

    Great Point!! How true how true. We wanted France to keep it and after they got there butts whipped we got stuck!!!

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