WATCHTOWER OFFICIAL RESPONSE TO PANORAMA!

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  • izobcenec
    izobcenec

    They denie the number 23720! You can find it here:

    http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bbc020509.pdf

    Original via fax

    May 9, 2002

    Betsan Powys

    BBC Panorama

    Dear Ms. Powys:

    This is in response to your fax of April 30, 2002, in which you advise us that BBC-TV is

    preparing a program on the way Jehovahs Witnesses handle child abuse matters. You have kindly

    offered us the opportunity to be interviewed on-camera; however, we must respectfully decline.

    We are not opposed to giving interviews in general; however, it is likely that among those

    whose views will be expressed on your broadcast will be some persons who are Jehovahs Witnesses.

    In our view, it would be neither proper nor Scriptural for us to place ourselves in what might turn out

    to be an adversarial position with our Christian brothers and sisters in a public setting. (1 Corinthians

    6:1-8; Ephesians 4:2) We trust that you will understand our position in this regard.

    Although unable to participate in an interview, we are certainly willing to comment on the

    questions that you raised in your fax. We note that these center almost exclusively on the nature of the

    records that we keep on alleged child abusers. You tell us that it is vital that we answer your questions

    on our record-keeping procedures because of the very serious nature of the allegations made to the

    programme, although you do not specify what the allegations are. First of all, however, please allow

    us to comment on the way that child abuse accusations are handled by Jehovahs Witnesses. We

    realize that you did not ask us to touch on this aspect; nevertheless, it is essential that we comment on

    it to provide an appropriate, frank answer.

    In the United States, when any one of Jehovahs Witnesses is accused of an act of child abuse,

    the local elders are expected to investigate. The procedure is as follows. Two elders meet separately

    with the accused and the accuser to see what each says on the matter. If the accused denies the charge,

    the two elders may arrange for him to have the opportunity to confront the accuser in their presence. If

    during that meeting the accused still denies the charges and there are no others who can substantiate

    them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time. Why not? As a Bible-based

    organization, we must adhere to what the Scriptures say, namely, No single witness should rise up

    against a man respecting any error or any sin . . . at the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three

    witnesses the matter should stand good. (Deuteronomy 19:15) Jesus reaffirmed this principle as

    recorded at Matthew 18:15-17.

    When the branch office receives an allegation of child abuse, a check of the records might

    reveal that similar, uncorroborated allegations were lodged against the same person in the past, perhaps

    when he was living in another part of the country. When a second credible allegation by a different

    person is lodged against the same individual, the elders are authorized by the Scriptures to handle the

    case.

    Betsan Powys

    May 9, 2002

    Page 2

    However, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the

    allegation to the branch office of Jehovahs Witnesses in their country, if local privacy laws permit.

    Again, privacy laws permitting, a record is made at the branch office that the individual has been

    accused of child abuse. Each branch office of Jehovahs Witnesses keeps its own records, if that is

    allowed by local jurisdiction. In the United States we do not have records of child abusers who live in

    other lands. If privacy laws do not allow such records to be kept, the elders do whatever is permitted

    within the law to see to it that children are protected. The aim is to balance the right to privacy of the

    individual with the overriding need to protect the safety of children. 1 Timothy 5:19.

    In addition to making a report to the branch office of Jehovahs Witnesses, the elders may be

    required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so,

    we expect the elders to comply. Additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the

    authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so. In the United States, reporting requirements vary

    from state to state. It can be quite a challenge to keep abreast of the reporting requirements, but our

    Legal Department makes every effort to do so.

    If, when confronted, the accused confesses that he is guilty of child abuse, the elders take

    appropriate action. If he is not repentant, he will not be permitted to remain a member of the

    congregation. Even if he is repentant--is cut to the heart, and is thus resolutely determined to avoid

    such conduct in the future--what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies.

    The article said: For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does

    not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer [full-time

    missionary of Jehovahs Witnesses] or serve in any other special, full-time service. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7-

    10) We take such action because we are concerned with maintaining Bible standards and protecting

    our children. Everyone in our organization is expected to meet the same requirements, namely, to be

    clean physically, mentally, morally, and spiritually. 2 Corinthians 7:1; Ephesians 4:17-19;

    1 Thessalonians 2:4.

    In a few instances, individuals guilty of an act of child abuse have been appointed to positions

    within the congregation if their conduct has been otherwise exemplary for decades. All of the

    circumstances would need to be considered carefully. Suppose, for example, that a long time ago a 16-

    year-old boy had sexual relations with a consenting 15-year-old girl. Depending upon the U.S.

    jurisdictions where he lived when this happened, elders are required to report this as an incident of

    child abuse. Let us say that twenty years have passed. The child abuse reporting law may have

    changed; he may even have married the girl! Both have been living exemplary lives and they are

    respected. In such a rare case, the man could possibly be appointed to a responsible position within the

    congregation.

    Our procedures have been refined over time. Our policy over the past several years has been

    that at least twenty years must have passed before an individual who committed an act of child abuse

    could even be considered for appointment to a responsible position in the congregation, if ever. The

    Bible teaches that individuals can repent of their sins and turn to God by doing works that befit

    repentance, and we accept what the Bible says. (Acts 26:20) Still, the safety of our children is of the

    utmost importance, so we realize that the local elders must be very careful when recommending

    individuals who may have been guilty of an act of child abuse in the distant past.

    You have been told that here in the United States we have compiled a list of 23,720 names of

    child abusers. That is false. First of all, the total number of names in our records is considerably lower

    Betsan Powys

    May 9, 2002

    Page 3

    than that. In addition, it is not meaningful to focus on the number of names we have in our records.

    This is because our figures include the names of many persons who have only been accused of child

    abuse whereas the charges have not been substantiated. We keep these records to document our

    compliance with what the law requires in many U.S. jurisdictions. Also included on our list are

    allegations made on the basis of so-called repressed memories, the validity of which many

    authorities challenge. Then there are the names of persons who have been accused of abusing children

    before becoming Jehovahs Witnesses as well as individuals who have never been baptized Witnesses

    but whose names we are obliged to keep because of their association with the Witnesses. (An example

    of this would be a non-Witness father or step-father who is accused by his Witness children or stepchildren

    of abusing them.) To be safe, we also list the names of persons who may or may not be

    considered as child abusers, depending upon the jurisdiction where they live (for example, that 16-

    year-old boy who had sexual relations with the consenting 15-year-old girl). The name of an individual

    who was guilty of voyeurism or involved with child pornography, as further examples, would also be

    included on the list. And, to be sure, the list also includes names of persons who are actually guilty of

    child abuse. We do not apologize for keeping such records here in the United States. Apart from being

    legally needed, they have been very helpful to us in our efforts to protect the flock from harm. (Isaiah

    32:2) Christian parents can rightly feel secure in the knowledge that such efforts are made to screen out

    possible child abusers from appointment to responsible positions within the congregation.

    Ms. Powys, please do not conclude that we believe that our system is perfect. No human

    organization is perfect. But we do believe that we have a strong, Bible-based policy on child abuse.

    Anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed from his

    responsibilities without hesitation. We certainly would not knowingly transfer him to serve elsewhere.

    Child abuse is abhorrent to us. Even one abused child is one too many. At least since 1981, our

    journals,

    The Watchtower and Awake! , have featured articles to educate both Witnesses and the public

    regarding the importance and need to protect children from child abuse. Among others, there was the

    article Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked! published in the January 1, 1997, issue of

    The Watchtower ;

    Help For the Victims of Incest in the October 1, 1983,

    Watchtower ; Your Child Is in Danger!,

    How Can We Protect Our Children?, and Prevention in the Home, all in the October 8, 1993,

    Awake!

    , as well as Child Molesting Every Mothers Nightmare in the January 22, 1985, Awake!

    Over the years, as we have noted areas where our policies could be strengthened, we have followed

    through. We are continuing to refine them.

    We trust that you will find the information in this letter to be helpful. As you will note, we have

    responded to the broad issues you raise rather than providing specific answers to your detailed list of

    questions. We note that you sent a similar list of questions to our offices in London. We understand

    they are answering your questions in accordance with their procedures and adherence to British law.

    With every good wish, I am,

    Very truly yours,

    JRB:at

  • belbab
    belbab

    Smoke and mirrors,

    So they have a list. It is less than 23720 in the US. Each branch has its own list. Can't they add?

    They repeat their arguments over and over again. Copy and paste from other press releases, word for word.

    I gotta study this more.

    The more they say, the more mired down they get. One thing about this letter is for the first time I see a pleading tone. Are they learning that arrogence doen't pay. Neither will whining

    I hope I am not being too hard on them.

    belbab

  • invisible
    invisible

    Thankyou for posting this, would you mind sending me a copy of this letter to my address within CAN Community Action Network? [email protected]

  • invisible
    invisible

    Thankyou. Would you mind posting this to my address within CAN Community Action Network, [email protected]

  • Valis
    Valis

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer of the "BBC appreciation class"

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    The Watchtower whitewash has begun.

    Forcing say, a little six year old girl to "confront" what from her standpoint is a gigantic 45 year-old-man and make her charges against him to his face is child abuse in itself, yet that letter clearly stated that must be done in Watchtowerland.

    These men are hideous excuses for humans.

    Farkel

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step
    Suppose, for example, that a long time ago a 16- year-old boy had sexual relations with a consenting 15-year-old girl.

    Ahhh...here it is again. The usual deliberately misleading defence that is designed to try throw the hounds from the scent of blood. This is a r egurgitation of a much repeated earlier defenses for a flawed policy. It was also used at the elders school a few years ago. It is patently designed to try to emotionally isolate the reader from putting child abuse into the kind of social framework in which the crime usually takes place.

    Ms. Powys, please do not conclude that we believe that our system is perfect. No human organization is perfect

    lol....I suspect that this comment will once again be eaten fro breakfast by many posters on this Board.

    More verbal pap from the King Of Pap himself - Papa Brown

    HS

  • Mary
    Mary

    As per usual, they are churning out the same old argument: 'there's got to be TWO witnesses to the abuse'. What would the elders do if a mature sister came to them and told them that she had been raped by brother-so-and-so last week. Would they listen? Would they DO anything??? Or would they simply say to her "too bad sister, no one witnessed the rape so there's nothing we can do about it."

    While the principal of having to have "two Witnesses" in some situations might be justified, child abuse is certainly not one of them as it's virtually ALWAYS done in secret.

    Seeing as Head Office obviously has no intention of changing their pathetic policies on child-abuse, I hope the whole thing ends up going to court where the laws FORCE them to make changes. The Governing Body members either either so senile that they can't even think straight any more, or they're so frigging arrogant that they'd cut off their nose to spite their face. How they can even sleep at night is a mystery.........

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Thank Izo ...

    The Society states regarding the 23,770 number,

    To be safe, we also list the names of persons who may or may not be

    considered as child abusers, depending upon the jurisdiction where they live (for example, that 16- year-old boy who had sexual relations with the consenting 15-year-old girl).

    There is no US State or US Jurisdiction that treats sex between a 15 and 16 year old as a criminal act ... unless it is forcible rape. This is pure obfuscation by the Society ... States normally have a 5 to 7 year rule where the adult has to be between 5 to 7 years older than the minor in order for it to be Statutory rape ... and the child normally has to be 12 years old or younger for it to be treated as an act of pedophilia ... Even though the numbers are in dispute, it is most fascinating that the Society admits their peodphile list does exist ... the numbers are likely a sly technical difference, in that the number for Great Britain is what the Society is referring. Whereas the larger number is a worldwide number.

  • zenpunk
    zenpunk

    This letter makes me sick! I've never seen so much verbal dancing!

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