District Convention Observations

by TD 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • TD
    TD

    I accompanied my JW wife to one day (Sunday) of the District Convention this weekend. For any who are interested, I offer these observations from the Sunday afternoon session:

    The concluding talk was given by a gentleman by the name of Steven Lett, a member of the JW governing body. The purpose of this talk was to offer proof that the JW organization is guided by holy spirit. I was expecting something new, but this turned out to be a predictable JW exercise in circular reasoning.

    The principle proof offered by Mr. Lett was that only the JW's are preaching the good news of God's established kingdom. Although the audience seemed okay with this, there's no way an objective observer could not but wonder how the fact that only the JW's preach doctrines that are unique to JW's is in any way relavant to the question.

    For example, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints could just as easily claim to be guided by holy spirit and offer the fact that only they preach the second testament of Jesus Christ as revealed in the Book of Mormon as proof of this claim. This would be fine for anyone who already accepts the Mormon faith, but would a JW accept this? Of course not. It's clearly a case where the one framing the question has been allowed to set the criteria for answering it. The reasoning therefore becomes circular inasmuch as it requires a prior acceptance of additional doctrine(s) unique to that religious group.

    Mr. Lett's proof was the exact same exercise in fallacious reasoning. It requires a prior acceptance of doctrines unique to JW's, principly, the doctrine of Christ's invisible enthronement in 1914.

    During the course of his talk, Mr. Lett made two assertions that are demonstrably false.

    1.

    He claimed that all dedicated, baptized Jehovah's Witnesses (And he included himself in this claim) have answered the following question in the affirmative:

    Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

    However the second baptismal question has only existed in this form since 1984-85. As most everyone here knows, for many years prior to this, the question went:

    On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

    2

    . He claimed that the good news of the kingdom's establishment in 1914 had been preached for over 100 years now.

    As Mr. Lett should know and JW publications (e.g. Proclaimers) routinely point out, it was not until the publication of the article Birth Of A Nation in the 1925 Watchtower that it was understood that the kingdom was actually established (invisibly in heaven) in 1914.

    Earlier on Sunday afternoon was one of the JW dramas. I've been an observer of JW's for many years, now, but this drama was one of the most abject pieces of propaganda I've every seen.

    JW historical dramas typically take a great deal of poetic license, but they invariably are based on actual Bible stories. This drama was a departure from that pattern because it was entirely extra-biblical.

    The setting was sometime after the Apostle John, has ostensibly being released from Patmos. He is visiting one of the seven congregations of Asia Minor in a role very similar to that of JW circuit overseer. (Some extra-biblical traditions actually do hold that St. John visited the seven congregations after being released from Patmos, settled in Ephesus and wrote the three epistles attributed to him.)

    It seems that there is a wealthy silver merchant in this particular congregation who has recently been removed as an elder. (The man's name was Scolios -- a choice that seemed to go over the heads of the audience entirely) Althouh Scolios certainly is a slippery bastard, (He gets a 19 year old Christain female hooked up with a lecherous old pervert in Laodicia) his worst shortcomings lie in the fact that he claims that acts of mercy and charity are just as important as the door to door ministry and questions the validity of John's Apocalypsis (Gasp!)

    He's dealt with accordingly and truth prevails over apostacy (Clap clap clap....)

    Again, the JW audience seemed perfectly happy with this, but I was struggling to keep my lower jaw out of my lap. From what we know of the early history of Christianity and late first century culture in the Roman empire, I offer these counter-observations of my own:

    Early Christian communities actually did focus very stongly on charity. (c.f. James 1:27; 2:15-16 1 Cor. 16:1 Romans 15:25; Gal. 2:10) The evidence suggests that this tradition continued well into the 2nd and 3rd centuries. (c.f. Didache 1; Apology, 39)

    There is little to no evidence that evangelism was practiced by all Christians. (c.f. Ephesians 4:12)

    Early Christian gatherings were largely for fellowship (e.g. Meals) JW style study sessions require a high percentage of literacy.

    It is unlikely that Christians had the freedom of movement depicted (One family wants to move to where the need is great) under the rules of Nero and especially Domitian.

    Anyone in the first century who actually could read the Apocalypse, would have understood it's rich political polemic. As Leolaia has pointed out though, how many people today actually know who Dea Roma was?

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    Thanks for those interesting observations, very good

  • ESTEE
    ESTEE
    However the second baptismal question has only existed in this form since 1984-85. As most everyone here knows, for many years prior to this, the question went: On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

    Don't ya know . . . all the "prior-to-1984" baptised members automatically defaulted to the new baptismal question by virtue of being in the audience...???

    ESTEE

  • Edward Elder
    Edward Elder

    TD - spot on - thanks for the info.

    The mind control is so powerful that >99% of the audience could not even begin to reason on these issues.

    Lett knows this - it's a well trodden road for JWs.

    Have you ever tried to reson on some of these issues with your wife? - appreciate any insight.

    EE

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly

    1. He claimed that all dedicated, baptized Jehovah's Witnesses (And he included himself in this claim) have answered the following question in the affirmative:

    Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

    However the second baptismal question has only existed in this form since 1984-85. As most everyone here knows, for many years prior to this, the question went:

    On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

    I knew Steve when I was a kid... about 1971 when his dad was in pioneer work in Western Arkansas. Steve and Sue (?) had not been married too long at the time. They had left Bethel...

    the guy has to be 10 or 12 years older than me... he was baptised well before the WT changed the questions.

    Sounds like Steve still takes the pill and likes it.

    Hill

  • yknot
    yknot
    Sounds like Steve still takes the pill and likes it.

    Now Now......Steven slaved his youth and any potential earnings away for the WTS. He finally hits pay dirt when he is invited/appointed to the GB. In his giddiness he probably signed a non-disclosure agreement when accepting the position. So now he has two choices, pound the pavement like all the other guys in this world or pound the podium with whatever drivel has been approved.

    Nothing or demigod treatment.

    Wife and happy 'famed' life or divorced and unemployed skilless schmuck.

    While the non-disclosure is speculation on my part....if I was in legal you can bet your adze I would have everyone with authority and access sign a slip of paper.

  • dinah
    dinah

    Why can't they just DIE.

    I swear to all that is HOLY. They gotta go.

    If you have sense enough to get out, they make you think you are dead. If you are stupid enough to stay, you are happy. If you have sense and get out, the ones still in, make you think YOU are crazy.

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly

    Now Now......Steven slaved his youth and any potential earnings away for the WTS. He finally hits pay dirt when he is invited/appointed to the GB. In his giddiness he probably signed a non-disclosure agreement when accepting the position. So now he has two choices, pound the pavement like all the other guys in this world or pound the podium with whatever drivel has been approved.

    hahaha...Steve's daddy, Mark Lett was a self made millionare...maybe twice over. Mark came out of the Navy in 45 and got into the pest control business down in Alabama. He was probably the biggest pest control service in the state for 20 years. When I knew Mark and Jean they had "retired" to pioneer... the guy was flush with cash.

    I'd like to have what he sold his cattle operation in Alabama for... in 1969 dollars!

    He got his boy Steve into Bethel.... the other boy named Tim was pioneering too. Jeans Brother in Law and sister had been specials in South America.

    Steven Lett was "annointed" since his early 20's... If he was Italian I'd say he was a "made" man.

    Jeff

  • Bring_the_Light
    Bring_the_Light

    Defn. "Credit Card Religion": That religion which reserves the right to change the Terms & Conditions of salvation at any time even for past purchases.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I wonder what basis they have for that drama. If it isn't in the Bible, then where do they come up with it? After all, it is going to affect how people are going to live, and if they don't have the sources they took it from, it could well be something the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger made up totally from scratch.

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