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sir82Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...


...then check this out!

(Of course the Society has $billions in real estate, but many have speculated that they are low on cash for day-day operations).

Unfortunately I don't have a working scanner, but here is a summary of & a few quotations from a BOE letter dated March 1, 2008:

"For an number of years, an arrangement has been available to congregations to place funds on deposit with the branch office. However, a recent analysis shows that only 10 percent of congregations in the United States are taking advantage of this provision."

(Some congregations have no-interest checking, or are even charged a fee for checking...others have a savings account, but earn little interest)

"...At best though, each congregation acting on its own will only achieve a limited return on its excess funds. Therefore, we are encouraging all congregations to give serious thought to participating in the funds-on-deposit arrangement with the branch office."

"There are significant advantags to participating in this arrangement. First of all, each congregation would only need to operate one checking account for its monthly financial activity. Congregations would not have worry about opening savings or other accounts and becoming involved in investment decisions. Second, by consolidating funds, the branch office is able to earn additional interest at rates above what a congregation normally earns by acting on its own. The funds earned by the branch office would then be available for use in building Kingdom Halls in lands with limited resources or for covering other necessary operating expenses. All of this is accomplished by making full use of funds that have already been contributed but now may be idle, earning little or no interest." (emphasis added)

(details follow on how to set this up electronically, via www.jw.org)

(Program is also vailable for operating committee funds, where 2 or more congregations share a Kingdom Hall)

A couple of pages of Q&A follow. Of most interest is no. 2:

"Question 2: If we currently have a checking account for our monthly expenses and a savings account for our excess funds, do we have to close the savings account and send those funds to the branch office? What if we prefer to keep the interest for local congregation needs?"

"Answer: You are to be commended for making wise use of funds dedicated for Kingdom interests. While we leave the decsion to the local body of elders, we encourage all to look beyond local circumstances. There are congregations in other lands where greater material needs than we have here inthe United States. By applying the Scriptural principle found at 2 Corinthinas 8:8-15, we hope to achieve an equalizing for the entire brotherhood. At best, a local congregation will only be able to earn interest at the local rate. The branch office has access to higher rates of interest because of volume and pricing, and by consolidating any excess funds into the funds-on-deposit arrangement, more interest can be generated collectively to benefit the worldwide work." (empahasis added)

(Other Q&A covers mechanical details, depositing the money, getting it back in case of need, etc.)

 

So there you have it. Instead of earning interest at a local bank, deposit your $$$ with the Society, who will then invest it in [whatever], earn interest that the Society keeps for itself, and if you ever need the money, say, years down the road, we'll cheerfully return whatever principal you donated.

Comments? Mine later, tired of typing!

 

 

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lovelylilRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
This is HUGE! Thanks for sharing that. Lilly
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troubled mindRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...

 

Wow ....I wonder what  the local hall here will do ?   The hall is paid for and a local sister has left them a good sum of money over the years , so I am sure their savings account is healthy . My bet is that they will keep it local .

 Don't all halls still have the additional contribution box for the World Wide Work ?  Society is getting greedy .....more than usual that is  

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buffalosrfreeRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
What they will do with the interest is use it to pay off their pedophile cases they settle in or out of court. Just another way of taking money away from the congregations. The congregations need the money for themselves. Things are getting harder and harder in this country and now the society wants the little bit of interest that is generated from accounts to be given to them. What a scam, nothing but give me more, more, and more of your money.
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WTWizardRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
So now any funds above and beyond what is needed for day to day operations (say, to save for a rainy day) will go into the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund instead of being allowed to remain where they can access it should it become necessary.  Hmm, now they can't save for a rainy day--and Katrina is coming back to rain on them when people start walking out and they cannot get enough donations to finance the mortgages.
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cognacRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
taking advantage of this provision
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dinahRe: Re: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...

Don't you just love how they spin things around to make it look like it's for the local congregation's good?

They should just sell their prime real estate and move to Kansas or something.  They are sitting on BILLIONS and still taking everything they can get from under educated, under-employed, rank and file witnesses.  It's sickening.

 

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BabaYagaRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
Wow. Thanks for this... and bookmarked! Cheers, Baba.
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Wordly AndreRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
Didn't Jim Jones do something like this?
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JeffTRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...

For those that may not remember, I'm an accountant.

My first reaction to this was "so which is it?  Are congregations independent units, or is the WTBS one big corporation?"  The answer to that question has big ramifications either way.  If they are going to put all the money into one big pot (which has certain advantages) they may be breaking down any wall that they're attempting to construct between HQ and the congregations.  If they want to keep the congregations as separate entities they're creating a LOT of book work to keep track of which funds are where. 

Since the legal dept was no doubt involved in the writing of this my guess is that they can't keep up the fiction that congregations are independent entities.  If problems (read lawsuits) are going to swim upstream no matter what, consolidating funds to handle the problems makes sense. 

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inbyathreadRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
The funds earned by the branch office would then be available for use in building Kingdom Halls in lands with limited resources

It's been awhile since I was in a KH but don't they have separate boxs for their voluntary donations?  1.  World Wide Work 2. Local Hall Needs   3Kingdom Hall Building Funds

It's a scam and the blind don't even know it.

Someone just posted that he was going to be elevated to Elder status.  (Hint:  We really need a scan of this letter)

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jamiebowersRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
Since the rank and file don't have enough common sense to run their own lives, why shouldn't they also lean on the society to invest their collective funds?  Christ, what's next?  Maybe it will become a disfellowshipping offense if congregations don't sent their money to the gb!
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SironaRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...

The local congregation here already did this.

An old lady died and left all of her money to the congregation.  It was something like £100,000.  The congregation gave it to the society for safe keeping - for this very reason.  Its been in place a while but they must be pushing for more now.

Sirona

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chikikieRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
It must be so hard for you sir82, just to be quiet when you are in elders meetings hearing all this, I dont know how you do it, without voicing your opinions, how can anyone be an elder and still believe its the truth?
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nomoreguiltRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...

OMG!! I just thought of something...A future scenario...The wtbts requests that ALL contributions, on the local level, be made out to the wtbts. The wtbts then doles out on an individual needs basis the money's required by the local cong for their operating expenses. No more need for the BOE to have ANY hands on that money that comes through the contribution boxes.

Total and ABSOLUTE control of all $$$ that are made to available to THE MINISTRY.

Total centralization of $$$ and abuse by the wtbts.

NMG

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PickledRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
In the Douglas Walsh trial the WTBTS said in court that those who became part of the board of directors were issued $1000.00 worth of stock in the company. They also said that any member who wanted to buy in could purchase each share for $10.00

So what happened to those shares? And did any member ever get to sell theirs or cash them in?
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R.CrusoeRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...

If they can persuade 6000000 humans to contibribute an extra $10 a month to help out where the need is greater they have $72000000 in a year alone!

peanuts for them with all their seductive mind control!

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GermanXJWRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...
Sirona, is this also being done in Europe? I thought it was a US thing.
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primitivegeniusRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...

OMG!! I just thought of something...A future scenario...The wtbts requests that ALL contributions, on the local level, be made out to the wtbts. The wtbts then doles out on an individual needs basis the money's required by the local cong for their operating expenses. No more need for the BOE to have ANY hands on that money that comes through the contribution boxes.

Total and ABSOLUTE control of all $$$ that are made to available to THE MINISTRY

Whats the next step? ill tell you, the congregations that dont make enough contributions to clear their bills will then be disbanded, their halls sold and the congregations consolidated untill they turn a profit.

When a cong buys or builds a hall who owns it? we know the answer to that, the society owns it but the local brothers pays for it. at any time they can disolve that cong and sell off its assets. they claim the money will go where the need is greater...... thats just a smoke screen to remove the possiblility of asking where it goes.

you imagine that your contributions are helping those in need somewhere in the world.... fact is they rarely make it out of new york.

its a shame but hopefully blatant stuff like this will open the eyes of more witnesses and cause them to get the hell outta dodge.

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R.CrusoeRe: Still think the Society is not running out of cash? ...

It always amazed me how 2nd 3rd generation JWs always made sure they did the elder people regularly for bible studies etc.

I used to wonder why they were so keen on older folks living alone?

I reasoned it was because they'd found true spiritual people and many were from that lost generation!

Reading some of these posts I see they knew where their bread was buttered where money is concerned!

How is giving, giving if you harbor notions of possible personal gain - but I'm sure they imagined it wasn't personal and would be monies Jehovah would put to good use when the WTS got their mawlers on it!!

So the WTBTS have sheep looking out for all manner of big bucks for them - unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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