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greendawnThe WTS fornicating with CESNUR


The WTS is a member of CESNUR an organisation that seeks to promote new religions and to oppose anti cult actions by governments on the grounds that these are attacks on personal and religious freedom.

Surprise surprise the other members of this organisation make up a strange brood: mormons, scientologists, New Agers, Ramtha's school of ancient wisdom, etc. clearly the WTS that criticises mainstream christianity so much chooses to join forces with such dubious religions in CESNUR. But then it's not surprising since they all seem to have occultic roots.

Below is the schedule of the 1998 conference with the WTS reps giving  talks in session 18.

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Isn't that strange for them to mingle with Babylon as they call all other religions? Note also that the ex JW who exposed the above participation of the WTS was threatened with legal action and imprisonment by both the WTS and the Mormons.

 

 

 

 

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candidlynutsRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR
Note also that the ex JW who exposed the above participation of the WTS was threatened with legal action and imprisonment by both the WTS and the Mormons.

 

really? thats disturbing..

it certainly isnt a participation the rank and file know about that is for sure.

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candidlynutsRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR
i'd be interested in a transcript of the bulgarian talk.. isn't that where the watchtower changed the blood policy?
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fullofdoubtnowRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

What a surprise eh, when jws were probably slagging off other religions from the platform, they were sitting in a conference with members of those religions! Actually, they took part in this year's conference as well

Jehovah's Witness and the Anti-Cult Movement: Human Rights Issues - John B. BROWN

Sunday July 16, 2006

This is a section of the material presented

Disfellowshipping alone is not a human rights abuse. The sentence of disfellowshipping is not a human rights abuse unless human rights principles or laws, as defined by international human rights declarations and treaties, are breached.

Social boycotting as a part of disfellowshipping is not alone a human rights abuse. Social boycotts have been an effective form of nonviolent resistance.[iv], [v]Some anticult activists[vi] have interpreted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) to mean that disfellowshipping is a human rights violation. Disfellowshipping is not “torture cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment and punishment" as some anticult activist have claimed.

The whole talk is on this link  http://www.cesnur.org/2006/sd_brown.htm

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candidlynutsRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

that is a very recent article Fullofdoubtnow..

 

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SpectreRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR
Interesting....
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greendawnRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

Candidly obviously the R&F weren't informed for this participation just as they knew nothing about the UN NGO thing, because they would find it very disturbing, what's the clean organisation of Jehovah doing with the New Agers for example an openly occultic religion.

I find this info on the net but not any transcripts the CESNUR site is at    www.cesnur.org

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OUTLAWRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR
The WBT$ has aliened itself with some dubious organizations..The Old Whore(WBT$)just can`t keep her knickers on..LOL!!...OUTLAW
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nelly136Re: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

this old thread deserves a ressurection  if youre talking cesnur:)

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/56325/1.ashx 

 

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jaguarbassRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

The Watertower society can do whatever they want but the rank and file must toe the line and be in submission.

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SWALKERRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

Didn't they just pass a resolution at the assembly this summer not to get involved in these kinds of issues???   Another example of speaking out of both sides of their mouth again...

Swalker

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KudraRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

So they're still involved with this group?

How exactly did the person who brought this involvement to light "get threatened with inprisonment" and by Mormons AND JWs? That doesn't make sense. Why would Mormons care if JWs knew if their own organization is involved with this group?

That sounds sort of conspiracy-theory-ish...
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AlanFRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

Just to clear up a point, greendawn, the ex-JW who was threatened with a lawsuit was David Reed, who for many years published a small newsletter "Comments from the Friends". So far as I know, Reed was threatened only by Massimo Introvene, founder of CESNUR, for claiming that Introvene and company were members of "vampire cults" when in actuality they were members of something called "Transylvanian Society of Dracula" which apparently is some sort of tongue-in-cheek 'historical' society. See Reed's webpage here: http://www.cftf.com/online/

Nevertheless, the Society's involvement with CESNUR is really no different in principle from its cynical involvement with the UN, because as soon as Reed publicized the Society's upcoming attendance at the 1998 CESNUR conference, its three delegates suddenly became too ill to show up.

AlanF

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greendawnRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR
Alan thanks for clarifying that point. The issue with CESNUR is that they refuse to accept organisations like the JWs and the scientologists are cultic and destructive in nature and ascribe all the bad press on them to disgruntled ex members. They are seeking to oppose governments like those of France and Germany that are unsympathetic and deeply mistrustful of such organisations. Yet most ex members know that these are dangerous, deceitful and wayward cults however the US government seems to back them in Europe on the pretext of protecting freedom of speech something the JWs for one totally suppress for their members.
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slimboyfatRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

Are Jehovah's Witnesses not allowed to defend themselves, and use mean available to that end.

Honestly, the Society "fornicating" with CESNUR - apostates need to get a grip.

Slim

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jwfactsRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

The WTS has always had involvement in politics, the worlds legal systems and commerce. They proudly boast about the huge impact they have had on the rights for people in the US through their court winnings. Rutherford wrote to Hitler. Recently the Australian Bethel sent representatives to the Official Committee Hansard attempting to gain recognition and change in blood law.

I never noticed as a JW, but now I can not understand how the WTS feels it can be involved in politics as an organization, but individuals must stay totally free.

 

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greendawnRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR
"Are Jehovah's Witnesses not allowed to defend themselves, and use mean available to that end." SFB, it's the double standards that are at issue here, CESNUR or UN, you know that any R&F member can readily get DFed for getting involved with political organisations for any reason. Otherwise no one would care. Given their positions it's astonishing how they went into the same bag as the overtly occultic New Agers.
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slimboyfatRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR

I groan at the stupidity of having to explain this, but here goes:

Surely you can see there is a difference between a Jehovah's Witness getting involved in politics and the Society using a secular organization to defend their right to free worship.

The distinction would be clear to any Witness not tainted by years or reading apostate bile. Jehovah's Witnesses will in good conscience do whatever "furthers Jehovah's interests", including using secular organizations and governmental agencies to their own ends. This can in no way be compared with a single Jehovah's Witness getting involved in politics for ends unrelated to "the Kingdom".

sigh...

Slim 

 

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greendawnRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR
I still can't see the point of bending their own rules even to further the so called kingdom interests, as if someone has put them in charge of these. Why compromise and where do you draw the line? These issues amount to fornicating with satanic organisations as they see them. It is a grave issue, going to bed with the devil to promote kingdom interests. A R&F member may argue that he wants to become politicised to improve things to be a good influence. Politics just like a camera is not intrinsically bad is what you make of it.
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tijkmoRe: The WTS fornicating with CESNUR
The member is invited to the judicial committee[viii]. The member can leave anytime he or she wants to.
and suffer the consequencies
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