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Do Jehovah's Witnesses have free choice on blood transfusions?
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A group of top academics as well as former Jehovah's Witnesses are raising stark warnings about the ethical ramifications of a Vancouver court case delving ...
 
The Watchtower Society, the legal and political body representing the six-million-member religion, portrays itself as a champion of religious freedom.
 
Asked whether some Jehovah's Witnesses might feel coerced into refusing transfusions, Mark Ruge, Ontario-based spokesman for the Canadian Watchtower Society, said: "People can say whatever they want. I don't have the time to counter every accusation that's made."
 
The group of legal and religion specialists claims the society fights mainly for freedom for the religious organization -- not for freedom of conscience for individual Witnesses.
"We've all come together because of the number of people who are dying," says Juliet Guichon, who teaches health law and medical ethics at the University of Calgary.
In a recent public statement, Guichon joined two religious scholars and two former Jehovah's Witnesses with legal expertise in saying that the actions of the Watchtower Society "suggest that these leaders value doctrinal adherence more than they do the lives of their members."
 
The statement says senior medical officials confronted by Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse blood transfusions for themselves or dependents are often unable to make sound ethical decisions because they're limited by their own "ignorance of the Watchtower's authoritarian rule."
In other words, the statement claims, medical staff often don't realize individual Witnesses in medical emergencies may be overwhelmed by their fear of the religious and social repercussions of accepting a transfusion.
 
 
 
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses have free choice on blood transfusions?
B.C. Supreme Court to hear sextuplets case today
 
Douglas Todd
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A group of top academics as well as former Jehovah's Witnesses are raising stark warnings about the ethical ramifications of a Vancouver court case delving into whether blood transfusions should have been forced this year on at least two of the surviving premature sextuplets of Witness parents.
The critics of the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain the controversial case, which will be heard in B.C. Supreme Court today, reflects a pattern in which the religion fails to give adherents true freedom of choice about whether to accept life-saving transfusions.
 
While some former Witnesses are promising to picket outside the Vancouver courthouse, a group of scholars and legal specialists have written a statement declaring the Jehovah's Witness religion often pressures followers not to follow their individual conscience, including while deciding whether to accept transfusions.
 
The Watchtower Society, the legal and political body representing the six-million-member religion, portrays itself as a champion of religious freedom.
Asked whether some Jehovah's Witnesses might feel coerced into refusing transfusions, Mark Ruge, Ontario-based spokesman for the Canadian Watchtower Society, said: "People can say whatever they want. I don't have the time to counter every accusation that's made."
 
The group of legal and religion specialists claims the society fights mainly for freedom for the religious organization -- not for freedom of conscience for individual Witnesses.
 
"We've all come together because of the number of people who are dying," says Juliet Guichon, who teaches health law and medical ethics at the University of Calgary.
 
In a recent public statement, Guichon joined two religious scholars and two former Jehovah's Witnesses with legal expertise in saying that the actions of the Watchtower Society "suggest that these leaders value doctrinal adherence more than they do the lives of their members."
 
The statement says senior medical officials confronted by Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse blood transfusions for themselves or dependents are often unable to make sound ethical decisions because they're limited by their own "ignorance of the Watchtower's authoritarian rule."
 
In other words, the statement claims, medical staff often don't realize individual Witnesses in medical emergencies may be overwhelmed by their fear of the religious and social repercussions of accepting a transfusion.
 
Today, lawyers for the B.C. government will face off against Watchtower Society lay lawyers over the province's decision in January to seize the four surviving sextuplets of Jehovah's Witnesses parents to force at least two to have blood transfusions.
 
Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that transfusions are forbidden by the Bible and adherents who voluntarily submit to accepting another person's human blood will suffer eternally in hell, a scriptural interpretation firmly rejected by other Christians and Jews.
 
Their belief is based in large part on the Book of Acts 15: 28-29, in which the Revised Standard Version of the Bible says early Christians were taught:
"For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose on you no further burden than these essentials: That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled, and from fornication."
 
Lawyer Shane Brady, a Jehovah's Witness who works closely with the Watchtower Society, will argue in court that the government was wrong to do the emergency transfusions, in part because the Jehovah's Witness parents -- whose identities are protected by court order -- were denied a fair hearing before the apprehensions.
 
In late December, Jehovah's Witness officials had written a letter cautioning a respected medical journal, Paediatrics and Child Health, against publishing an article by Guichon, the medical ethicist, and scholar Ian Mitchell, in which the authors questioned whether Jehovah's Witnesses always make truly "voluntary" decisions to reject transfusions.
 
The article, which was published in December, 2006, said there is evidence some Jehovah's Witnesses who have to make life-and-death decisions about transfusions for themselves, their children or family members in comas feel pressured into refusing blood because they don't want to be excommunicated from the religion.
 
"Coercion by actual or threatened shunning and excommunication can occur, and these factors may affect ... decision-making," says the academic article. The authors urged medical staff to make sure Jehovah's Witness patients who refuse blood are "acting without coercion."
 
Calgary architectural project manager Lawrence Hughes --the former Jehovah's Witness whose daughter, Bethany, died four years ago after a high-profile court battle over transfusions -- said this week his life fell apart after he was shunned by the Jehovah's Witnesses when he initially allowed his cancer-ridden daughter to receive blood.
 
"When I signed the consent card [to allow his daughter to have blood], I didn't have anyone I could phone or talk to," Hughes said Friday. "I was disfellowshipped, kicked out. For many people who are excommunicated from the Witnesses, they lose their family, their friends and even their jobs, because they're often working for Witnesses."
 
Individual Jehovah's Witnesses can't speak out against their leaders for fear of losing everything, Hughes said. He felt a sense of subtle coercion each year when he, like all other Jehovah's Witnesses, was asked at his local Kingdom Hall to sign a card saying he refuses to accept blood transfusions for himself or those under his care.
 
In a telephone interview, Guichon, the Calgary medical and legal expert, said she had tremendous sympathy for medical staff forced to make agonizing decisions about Jehovah's Witnesses who are dying for lack of blood.
To ensure the "authentic wishes" of Witnesses are met in hospitals, Guichon recommends medical officials and the courts only accept written "advance directives" from patients about refusing blood transfusions that are written in consultation with independent lawyers, not Watchtower officials.
 
Hughes agrees with the declarations Guichon and other scholars and legal experts made in their recent public statement, which says the Jehovah's Witnesses operate as an "authoritarian" religion that denies members the freedom to enjoy birthdays or Christmas, to attend the weddings or funerals of friends from other religions, join a political party, sing O Canada or seek most forms of higher education.
 
Ruge, the Watchtower Society spokesman, refused an earlier request by The Vancouver Sun to write an opinion piece responding to the public statement by Guichon and four others: St. Mary's University College religion professor Michael Duggan; University of Alberta sociologist Stephen Kent; Florida lawyer, author and ex-Witness Kerry Louderback-Wood; and Michael Saunders, a former Witness and paralegal in the Watchtower Society's Canadian law firm.
 
"Virtually everything was wrong in it [the statement]," Ruge said. Asked several times to say what was incorrect, he repeatedly declined.
When Ruge was specifically asked to counter the claim that Witnesses don't celebrate birthdays, he acknowledged that was correct.
 
Ruge said he may feel freer to talk with the media after the case involving the Vancouver sextuplets is resolved in court. He said he was doing so out of respect for the parents' request for privacy.
Until then, Ruge said, "If someone has an axe to grind, let them grind it."
 
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© The Vancouver Sun 2007


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OUTLAWRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS
Of course Jehovah`s Witness`s have a free choice on blood transfusions!..They are free to have a blood transfusion and get disfellowshiped any time they want...OUTLAW
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DannyHaszardRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS
Lawyer for sextuplets' parents want BC court to allow cross ...
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Former Jehovah Witnesses Cid Bianco (left) and Chris Christensen stand outside BC Supreme Court protesting against the group. (CP PHOTO/Chuck Stoody) ...
 
Shane Brady wanted to cross-examine doctors, social workers and a government lawyer over their affidavits supporting the government's seizure decision.
 
Former Jehovah Witnesses Cid Bianco (left) and Chris Christensen stand outside BC Supreme Court protesting against the group.  (CP PHOTO/Chuck Stoody)

Former Jehovah Witnesses Cid Bianco (left) and Chris Christensen stand outside BC Supreme Court protesting against the group. (CP PHOTO/Chuck Stoody
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mosheRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

How would JW's feel , if they found out that 50% of the GB members voted to remove restrictions against blood transfusions? But due to the 2/3 rule needed for doctrinal changes they compromised by using blood fractions instead. Perhaps the vote for change would have been 100%, if the other 50% wasn't senile and couldn't see the flash of new light from Jehovah. I can think of two GB members who were totally incapacitated last year and had they been replaced with mentally functional men, the discussion could have meant a rule change. It's not God's organization, but a corporation that JW's sacrifice their children, spouses and parents to, in order to please the WT no-blood god.

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skeeter1Re: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

Jdubs have NO free choice on blood.

You face shunning, getting ratted out to the elders by other jdubs who find out, the hospital liasion elder & other elders visit you in the hospital to make sure you 'stand firm', and then....they get you a jdub attorney to make sure you 'stay the course.'

 

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lrkrRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS
Moshe- do you have a link that describes this split??  I always suspected as much since the change was made 6 months after 4 new members of the GB were appointed.
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M.J.Re: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

The article didn't mention the fact that members are in fact misinformed about the risks of blood.  This is a factor which limits their free (rational) choice as well.

What was unfortunate about the article was the fact that it mentioned that JWs are taught that accepting a transfusion will result in eternal suffering in hell.  Such a sloppy statement is typically enough to get a dub reader to blow off the whole article.  Very unfortunate mistake.

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DannyHaszardRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS
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Judge delays hearings into sextuplets case
Vancouver Sun (subscription), Canada -11 minutes ago
VANCOUVER - A judge has postponed until at least July a judicial review into the treatment of a Jehovah's Witness family whose four surviving sextuplets ...
 

Judge delays hearings into sextuplets case

Legal wrangling stalls review of treatment of Jehovah's Witness parents

Gerry Bellett, Vancouver Sun

Published: Tuesday, April 17, 2007
 
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Shane Brady, lawyer for the Jehovah's Witness family, said he will argue there was no
 
 
Shane Brady, lawyer for the Jehovah's Witness family, said he will argue there was no medical emergency that justified apprehension of the babies.
 

Shane Brady, lawyer for the Jehovah's Witness family, said he will argue there was no medical emergency that justified apprehension of the babies.

Arlen Redekop, The Province
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GillRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

Of course Jehovah's Witnesses have a choice whether or not to accept blood transfusions.

If they choose wrongly however, there is a price to pay which is excommunication and the loss of their family and loved ones.  Little wonder many choose to die instead........the consequences are much the same either way.

As I lay, potentially bleeding to death after a sudden massive haemorrage during and emergency C section, I knew that if I accepted the blood the doctors were offering me and infact pleading with me to take, I would be as good as dead any way.  So, I chose not to take the blood.  I survived because of excellent medical care.  Not everyone is that lucky.

But I had a choice.  I could die from no blood, or I could 'die' taking blood, by losing all my family anyway.

That IS the choice!

I wonder how many JWs or ex JWs have survived by the skin of their teeth because of fear of the wrath of the WTBTS!

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GillRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

And, where did Shane Brady get his medical degree?

It's a sad thing to see anyone argue for the death of someone when that someone, or in the the case of the surviving sextuplets,  those little someones have so much potential for a good and happy life.  How sad that multinational printing company is paying for someone to argue for the death of innocents.  What are they trying to cover up?  I wonder.

Glad to hear that the four survivors are doing well!  Nice to have some good news!

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friRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

I dont know what is the big thing about forcing jehovhas witnesses to take blood. Last time I checked blood was a very scarce commodity. The less the twits take the more there is for me in case I need it.

 

 

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DannyHaszardRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

 

And, where did Shane Brady get his medical degree?

It's a sad thing to see anyone argue for the death of someone when that someone, or in the the case of the surviving sextuplets,  those little someones have so much potential for a good and happy life.  How sad that multinational printing company is paying for someone to argue for the death of innocents.  What are they trying to cover up?  I wonder.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/128983/1.ashx Informative thread on Mr Shane Brady

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mosheRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS
Moshe- do you have a link that describes this split??  I always suspected as much since the change was made 6 months after 4 new members of the GB were appointed.
No, I don't --just my common sense-! It is pretty obvious how these policy changes are developed before they are are promulgated. No doubt the system in place on the GB that Ray franz describes in his books is still functining in the same fashion.
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UzzahRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

Did you guys notice this little tidbit?  The Watchtower itself is trying to deprive free speech with legal threats:

In late December, Jehovah's Witness officials had written a letter cautioning a respected medical journal, Paediatrics and Child Health, against publishing an article by Guichon, the medical ethicist, and scholar Ian Mitchell, in which the authors questioned whether Jehovah's Witnesses

 

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Asked whether some Jehovah's Witnesses might feel coerced into refusing transfusions, Mark Ruge, Ontario-based spokesman for the Canadian Watchtower Society, said: "People can say whatever they want. I don't have the time to counter every accusation that's made."

Ruge, you fvvving blob of chicken shit. What do you have better to do with your time? You're not getting paid for your busy schedule because the WTS is paying for your room and board. You don't want to agree to the statement because it's the truth and it'll make your arsehole-inspired religion look bad. Better to duck behind Mommy Org for protection from Satan's big bad world. So much for Jehovah protecting you. Goddam pvvvy.

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ScullyRe: DO JW HAVE FREE CHOICE ON BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS
The group of legal and religion specialists claims the society fights mainly for freedom for the religious organization

Isn't it interesting that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not apply to ORGANIZATIONS.... but to INDIVIDUALS.

Once you open the can of worms that ORGANIZATIONS have rights and freedoms, they can claim that they have government backing to compel their members / employees to do whatever they deem to suit the ORGANIZATION'S belief structure.

That smells like a recipe for corruption.

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