Brazil: Transfusion of blood ends in aggression to doctor

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  • rosa
    rosa

    English translation from Portuguese site:

    http://gazetaonline.globo.com/noticias/minutoaminuto/local/local_materia.php?cd_matia=238652&cd_site=843

    Transfusion of blood ends in aggression to doctor
    15/11/2006 09:18:30 - newspaper A Gazeta


    What is worth more before an impasse in the a patient's treatment: the will of the family or the doctor's decision? The polemic was taken to the last consequences, yesterday in a hospital of Cariacica, and the case went stop in to police.

    Manager Elza Amâncio Viana, 30 years, she gave entrance in the Hospital Saint John Baptist, in Cariacica, with beginning of spontaneous abortion. The husband, Gilson, accompanied the wife and he/she asked to the doctors that she didn't receive transfusion of blood, because both belonged to the congregation Jehovah's Witnesses and they didn't admit the medical procedure.

    However, gynecologist P.C.V. - that asked for not having the disclosed name - it was work in the hospital and he decided to accomplish the transfusion to guarantee the patient's life. The husband of Elza, inconformado, broke into the pre-childbirth room, where she was assisted, and he attacked P.

    Gilson justifies the attitude saying that lost the head when he saw the woman receiving blood, even after having informed the hospital about its decision.

    " My wife was pregnant of 12 days, but nor she knew. She had an abortion beginning, I took it in two hospitals before arriving to the Hospital Saint John Baptist. If they didn't have structure for another procedure, they should have informed me, because I would take it for another hospital ", he said.

    On the other hand, the doctor guarantees that that era the only alternative in the moment. According to him, the patient's life was in risk and there was not time to lose.

    I " have the back-up of the Code of the Medical Ethics. The hospital could be accused of medical negligence and omission of help if it left the patient to die for lack of the transfusion ", he affirmed.

    The case will continue in the Court.The doctor affirms that will sue Gilson. The religious person says that the congregation also analyzes the possibility to sue the hospital.

    The version of each one
    I " heard her screaming and I lost the head "

    Gilson Viana - 30 years, the patient's husband

    I " heard my wife me screaming and I lost the head. I broke into the door and I saw her if beating, with bags of blood to the side. I gave a punch in the doctor's nape and he/she said that he would have to inform me. I broke the hoses that took the blood until her, but it was already late. She is very affected. He/she said that is feeling violentada. The Bible says that the blood is life and the life can only be given for heaven's sake. She had already suffered other two abortions. The first was five years ago and the other there is not very more than two years. In none of the two previous situations she received transfusion of blood ".

    I " considered the patient's " life first

    P.C.V. - attacked gynecologist

    I " considered, in first place, the patient's life. She arrived with a shock caused by an intense vaginal sangramento, due to an incomplete abortion. In the moment, there was not, in the hospital, other treatment besides the transfusion of blood. She took death risk. The patient was unconscious and she only woke up when it was stabilized. Her husband invaded the pré-childbirth room, he/she attacked me physically and he/she attacked verbalmente other employees. It had never gone by a situation as that. He will answer for its acts. I will enter with an action in the Court ".

  • Gill
    Gill

    How dare this doctor save this woman's life?!

    In the end, that's all it boils down to......Life or Death.

    I hope that man has to answer for his actions.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    If I read it correctly, wife was admitted for emergency treatment , doctors started transfusion without patients consent , husband found out - freaked out and battered his way into the room...

    Poor people. Rather than condemn him like Gill, I see him as a victim of the Borg and its misstatements on medical things and crazy interpretation of the Scriptures.

    I feel for him.....I used to believe it too. Hell! I used to teach it! "There but for the grace of God, go I"

  • inbyathread
    inbyathread
    The patient was unconscious

    Unless medical rules change from one country to another and unless the doctor knew that the patient did not want blood (i.e. from an Advanced Medical Directive or similar legal document.) The blood transfusion was given because of implied consent. She was unconscious. She's alive. End of story.

  • observador
    observador

    Oi Rosa.

    Seja bem-vinda ao forum e por favor continue trazendo as noticias do Brazil para nos. Fique a vontade para me contatar se desejar.

    Valeu.

    Observador.

  • rosa
    rosa

    well, friends, let me tell you what happens in Brazil - sorry for my poor English, i'm learning yet. After some Sao Paulo's Court rules, when a patient is under high risk of death, doctors may use all ways available in the hospital to life sustaining. Some issues including JWs and courts are in Portuguese in my website: ttp://www.geocities.com/rosazul_documentos/processo.html The religiuos right is embodied at 5th article of Brazilian Constitution, but Justices understand that "life right" is over all "religious right". Another court rules followed this understanding. So, what happens in Brazil is: doctor agrees with no-transfusion... but in a risk of death situation, doctor follows the Medical Code. If the patient (or her/his relatives) will sue the doctor (or hospital), courts grants the "life sustained" way found in that situation. rad

  • rosa
    rosa

    Obrigado Observador, Saiba que aqui no Brasil eh dificil as coisas acontecerem. Estou aqui no JWD, sapecando no meu pobre ingles, mas normalmente é onde encontro noticias quentes. Os brasileiros invadiram o Orkut, mas eh dificil sair algum fato novo. Quase sempre sao noticias que sairam daqui e que repecutem em outros foruns. ate + for non-portuguese speakers Thank you Observador, here in Brazil is difficult things happens. i'm in JWD, with my trouble English, but this is where i find hot news. Brazilians invades Orkut (www.orkut.com), but it's difficult some new facts arise. Many news there came from this and another English foruns.

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    It is good that the Dr. has recourse here and is not going to be punished for doing his duty according to the law of the land. Sustaining life is a GOOD thing. It is interesting to see how other countries deal with the blood issue. It seems to take the pressure off of the family who is basically coerced into letting their family members die in service to the org. If the Dr. is supposed to do it for life threatening situations, then the family/individual can't be held resp. by the org. or elders. I can't believe that the JW man hauled off and hurt the dr. who was trying to save his wife!

  • rosa
    rosa

    A collaborator give me the information about the sue. The doctor's name is Paulo Cesar Vieceli. Paulo begun a sue against the JW Gilson Viana through a Crime's Special Court, State of Espirito Santo (this State is located at north of Rio de Janeiro). That's more data of the sue (in portuguese): Processo : 012.06.011623-8 Petição Inicial : 200600886058 Situação : Tramitando Ação : Termo Circunstanciado Natureza : Juizado Especial Criminal Data de Ajuizamento: 20/11/2006 Vara : CARIACICA - 2º JUIZADO ESPECIAL CRIMINAL Distribuição Data : 20/11/2006 15:06 Motivo : Distribuição por sorteio manual Partes do Processo Autor do fato GILSON VIANA ----> JW patient's husband Vítima PAULO CEZAR VIECELI ------> Doctor 999998/ES - INEXISTENTE Andamentos 23/11/2006 Mandado Expeça-se 8.286/06 23/11/2006 Autos recebidos em cartório CARIACICA - 2º JUIZADO ESPECIAL CRIMINAL 23/11/2006 Autos carga advogado Dr. Geraldo Rodrigues de Vasconcelos - OAB/ES 5.410 23/11/2006 Autos devolvidos do juiz 22/11/2006 Autos concluso para despacho 22/11/2006 Processo autuado no cartório nº 8286/06 21/11/2006 Autos recebidos em cartório CARIACICA - 2º JUIZADO ESPECIAL CRIMINAL 20/11/2006 Autos carga CARIACICA - 2º JUIZADO ESPECIAL CRIMINAL 20/11/2006 Processo Distribuído

  • rosa
    rosa

    A collaborator give me the information about the sue. The doctor's name is Paulo Cesar Vieceli. Paulo begun a sue against the JW Gilson Viana through a Crime's Special Court, State of Espirito Santo (this State is located at north of Rio de Janeiro).

    That's more data of the sue (in portuguese):

    Processo : 012.06.011623-8 Petição Inicial : 200600886058 Situação : Tramitando
    Ação : Termo Circunstanciado Natureza : Juizado Especial Criminal Data de Ajuizamento: 20/11/2006
    Vara : CARIACICA - 2º JUIZADO ESPECIAL CRIMINAL

    Distribuição
    Data : 20/11/2006 15:06 Motivo : Distribuição por sorteio manual

    Partes do Processo
    Autor do fato
    GILSON VIANA ----> JW patient's husband
    Vítima
    PAULO CEZAR VIECELI ------> Doctor
    999998/ES - INEXISTENTE

    Andamentos
    23/11/2006 Mandado Expeça-se 8.286/06
    23/11/2006 Autos recebidos em cartório CARIACICA - 2º JUIZADO ESPECIAL CRIMINAL
    23/11/2006 Autos carga advogado Dr. Geraldo Rodrigues de Vasconcelos - OAB/ES 5.410
    23/11/2006 Autos devolvidos do juiz
    22/11/2006 Autos concluso para despacho
    22/11/2006 Processo autuado no cartório nº 8286/06
    21/11/2006 Autos recebidos em cartório CARIACICA - 2º JUIZADO ESPECIAL CRIMINAL
    20/11/2006 Autos carga CARIACICA - 2º JUIZADO ESPECIAL CRIMINAL
    20/11/2006 Processo Distribuído

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