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MacHislopp  "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.


 

Hello everyone,

 

To get into the subject , just a reminder of an important Supreme Court Case which concerned  the ...famous    "JIMMY  WAGGART "!   

 

Please keep in mind that the final Court decision   was given on January  17,

 1990  i.e.  more than 13 years ago!

 

The link for the complete file is :

 

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/493/378.html

 

 

Here below just some parts of it:

 

 

 

 

 

 

U.S. Supreme Court

SWAGGART MINISTRIES v. CAL. BD. OF EQUALIZATION, 493 U.S. 378 (1990)

493 U.S. 378

JIMMY SWAGGART MINISTRIES v. BOARD OF EQUALIZATION OF CALIFORNIA
APPEAL FROM THE COURT OF APPEAL OF CALIFORNIA, FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT

No. 88-1374.

Argued October 31, 1989
Decided January 17, 1990

California law requires retailers to pay a 6% sales tax on in-state sales of tangible personal property and to collect from state residents a 6% use tax on such property purchased outside the State. During the tax period in question, appellant religious organization, which is incorporated in Louisiana, sold a variety of religious materials at "evangelistic crusades" within California and made mail-order sales of other such materials to California residents. Appellee State Board of Equalization (Board) audited appellant and advised it that it should register as a seller as required by state law and report and pay sales and use taxes on the aforementioned sales. Appellant paid the taxes and the Board ruled against it on its petitions for redetermination and refund, rejecting its contention that the tax on religious materials violated the First Amendment. The state trial court entered judgment for the Board in appellant's refund suit, the State Court of Appeal affirmed, and the State Supreme Court denied discretionary review.

Held:

1. California's imposition of sales and use tax liability on appellant's sales of religious materials does not contravene the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment. Pp. 384-397.

(a)    The collection and payment of the tax imposes no constitutionally significant burden on appellant's religious practices or beliefs under the Free Exercise Clause, which accordingly does not require the State to grant appellant a tax exemption. Appellant misreads Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 , and Follett v. McCormick, 321 U.S. 573 , which, although holding flat license taxes on commercial sales unconstitutional with regard to the evangelical distribution of religious materials, nevertheless specifically stated that religious activity may constitutionally be subjected to a generally applicable income or property tax akin to the California tax at issue. Those cases apply only where a flat license tax operates as a prior restraint on the free exercise of religious belief. As such, they do not invalidate California's generally applicable sales and use tax, which is not a flat tax, represents only a small fraction of any sale, and applies neutrally to all relevant sales regardless of the nature of the seller or purchaser, so that there is no danger that [493 U.S. 378, 379] appellant's religious activity is being singled out for special and burdensome treatment. Moreover, the concern in Murdock and Follett that flat license taxes operate as a precondition to the exercise of evangelistic activity is not present here, because the statutory registration requirement and the tax itself do not act as prior restraints - no fee is charged for registering, the tax is due regardless of preregistration, and the tax is not imposed as a precondition of disseminating the message.

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Quote :   (b) Application of the California tax to appellant's sale of religious materials does not violate the Establishment Clause by fostering an excessive governmental entanglement with religion. The evidence of administrative entanglement is thin, since the Court of Appeal expressly found that, in light of appellant's sophisticated accounting staff and computerized accounting methods, the record did not support its assertion that the collection and payment of the tax impose severe accounting burdens on it. Moreover, although collection and payment will require some contact between appellant and the State, generally applicable administrative and recordkeeping burdens may be imposed on religious organizations without running afoul of the Clause. See, e. g., Hernandez, supra, at 696-697. The fact that appellant must bear the cost of collecting and remitting the tax - even if the financial burden may vary from religion to religion - does not enmesh the government in religious affairs, since the statutory scheme requires neither the involvement of state employees in, nor on-site continuing inspection of, appellant's day-to-day operations. Most significantly, the imposition of the tax without an exemption for appellant does not require the State to inquire into the religious content of the items sold or the religious motivation for selling or purchasing them, since they are subject to the tax regardless of content or motive. Pp. 392-397. [493 U.S. 378, 380]

2. The merits of appellant's Commerce Clause and Due Process Clause claim are not properly before, and will not be reached by, this Court, since both the trial court and the Court of Appeal ruled that the claim was procedurally barred because it was not presented to the Board as required by state law. See, e. g., Michigan v. Long, 463 U.S. 1032, 1041 -1042. Appellant has failed to substantiate any claim that the California courts in general apply the procedural bar rule and a pertinent exception in an irregular, arbitrary, or inconsistent manner. Pp. 397-399.

204 Cal. App. 3d 1269, 250 Cal. Rptr. 891, affirmed.

O'CONNOR, J., delivered the opinion for a unanimous Court.

Michael W. McConnell argued the cause for appellant. With him on the brief were Charles R. Ajalat, Edward McGlynn Gaffney, Jr., and Jesse H. Choper.

Richard E. Nielsen, Deputy Attorney General of California, argued the cause for appellee. With him on the brief were John K. Van de Kamp, Attorney General, and Neal J. Gobar, Deputy Attorney General. *

 

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Now please take note of the various  ' Briefs of amici curiae' :

 

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[ Footnote * ] Briefs of amici curiae urging reversal were filed for the Association for Public Justice by Bradley P. Jacob;

for the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability et al. by Samuel E. Ericsson, Michael J. Woodruff, and Forest D. Montgomery;

 for the International Society for Krishna Consciousness of California, Inc., by David M. Liberman, Robert C. Moest, and Barry A. Fisher;

 for the National Council of Churches of Christ in the U.S. A. by Douglas Laycock;

 and for the National Taxpayers Union by Gale A. Norton.

Steven R. Shapiro filed a brief for the American Civil Liberties Union as amicus curiae urging affirmance.

Briefs of amici curiae were filed for the National Conference of State Legislatures et al. by Benna Ruth Solomon and Charles Rothfeld;  and for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., by James M. McCabe and Donald T. Ridley.

 

JUSTICE O'CONNOR delivered the opinion of the Court.

This case presents the question whether the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment prohibit a State from imposing a generally applicable sales and use tax on the distribution of religious materials by a religious organization. [493 U.S. 378, 381]

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California's Sales and Use Tax Law requires retailers to pay a sales tax "[f]or the privilege of selling tangible personal property at retail." Cal. Rev. & Tax. Code Ann. 6051 (West 1987). A "sale" includes any transfer of title or possession of tangible personal property for consideration. Cal. Rev. & Tax. Code Ann. 6006(a) (West Supp. 1989).

 

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This outreach is to be performed "by all available means, both at home and in foreign lands," and

"shall specifically include evangelistic crusades; missionary endeavors; radio broadcasting (as owner, broadcaster, and placement agency); television broadcasting (both as owner and broadcaster); and audio production and reproduction of music; audio production and reproduction [493 U.S. 378, 382] of preaching; audio production and reproduction of teaching; writing, printing and publishing; and, any and all other individual or mass media methods that presently exist or may be devised in the future to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ." Id., at 107-108.

 

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In 1980, appellee Board of Equalization of the State of California (Board) informed appellant that religious materials were not exempt from the sales tax and requested appellant to register as a seller to facilitate reporting and payment of the tax. See Cal. Rev. & Tax. Code Ann. 6066-6074 (West 1987 and Supp. 1989) (tax registration requirements). Appellant responded that it was exempt from such taxes under the First Amendment. In 1981, the Board audited appellant and advised appellant that it should register as a seller and report and pay sales tax on all sales made at its [493 U.S. 378, 383] California crusades. The Board also opined that appellant had a sufficient nexus with the State of California to require appellant to collect and report use tax on its mail-order sales to California purchasers.

Based on the Board's review of appellant's records, the parties stipulated "that [appellant] sold for use in California tangible personal property for the period April 1, 1974, through December 31, 1981, measured by payment to [appellant] of $1,702,942.00 for mail order sales from Baton Rouge, Louisiana and $240,560.00 for crusade merchandise sales in California."

 

App. 58. These figures represented the sales and use in California of merchandise with specific

 

religious content - Bibles, Bible study manuals, printed sermons and collections of sermons, audiocassette tapes of sermons, religious books and pamphlets, and religious music in the form of songbooks, tapes, and records.

 

See App. to Juris. Statement B-1 to B-3. Based on the sales figures for appellant's religious materials, the Board notified appellant that it owed sales and use taxes of $118,294.54, plus interest of $36,021.11, and a penalty of $11,829.45, for a total amount due of $166,145.10. App. 8. Appellant did not contest the Board's assessment of tax liability for the sale and use of certain nonreligious merchandise, including such items as "T-shirts with JSM logo, mugs, bowls, plates, replicas of crown of thorns, ark of the covenant, Roman coin, candlesticks, Bible stand, pen and pencil sets, prints of religious scenes, bud vase, and communion cups." Id., at 59-60.

 

 

Appellant filed a petition for redetermination with the Board, reiterating its view that the tax on religious materials violated the First Amendment. Following a hearing and an appeal to the Board, the Board deleted the penalty but otherwise redetermined the matter without adjustment in the amount of $118,294.54 in taxes owing, plus $65,043.55 in interest. Pursuant to state procedural law, appellant paid the amount and filed a petition for redetermination and refund with the Board. See Cal. Rev. & Tax. Code Ann. 6902 [493 U.S. 378, 384] (West 1987). The Board denied appellant's petition, and appellant brought suit in state court, seeking a refund of the tax paid.

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The Court of Appeal, however, specifically rejected appellant's claim that the nexus issue raised "important questions of public policy," noting that the issue instead "raise[d] factual questions, the determination of which is not a matter of `public policy' but a matter of evidence." Id., at 1292, 250 Cal. Rptr, at 907. Even if the Court of Appeal erred as a matter of state law in declining to rule on appellant's nexus claim, appellant has failed to substantiate any claim that the California courts in general apply this exception in an irregular, arbitrary, or inconsistent manner. Accordingly, we conclude that appellant's Commerce Clause and Due Process Clause argument is not properly before us. We thus express no opinion on the merits of the claim.

The judgment of the California Court of Appeal is affirmed.

It is so ordered. [493 U.S. 378, 400]   °°°

 

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To clarify the matter  and for a clear understanding of the case, we have to grasp the

implications  concerning  the meaning of the term : " Amicus Curiae ".

 

Here below, there  is the definition of   '  Amicus Curiae '  (singular form  ) or  ' Amici Curiae '( plural form) taken from  the " TECH LAW  JOURNAL "  with link :

 

http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/amicus.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

*** Amicus Curiae

 

Definition: Latin term meaning "friend of the court". The name for a brief filed with the court by someone who is not a party to the case.

 

"... a phrase that literally means "friend of the court" -- someone who is not a party to the litigation, but who believes that the court's decision may affect its interest." William H. Rehnquist, The Supreme Court, page 89.

 

Amicus Curiae briefs are filed in many Supreme Court matters, both at the Petition for Writ of Certiorari stage, and when the Court is deciding a case on its merits. Some studies have shown a positive correlation between number of amicus briefs filed in support of granting certiorari, and the Court's decision to grant certiorari. Some friend of the court briefs provide valuable information about legal arguments, or how a case might affect people other than the parties to the case. Some organizations file friend of the court briefs in an attempt to "lobby" the Supreme Court, obtain media attention, or impress members.

 

"An amicus curiae brief that brings to the attention of the Court relevant matter not already brought to its attention by the parties may be of considerable help to the Court. An amicus curiae brief that does not serve this purpose burdens the Court, and its filing is not favored." Rule 37(1), Rules of the Supreme Court of the U.S.

 

"FRAP 29. BRIEF OF AN AMICUS CURIAE

 

 A brief of an amicus curiae may be filed only if accompanied by written consent of all parties, or by leave of court granted on motion or at the request of the court, except that consent or leave shall not be required when the brief is presented by the United States or an officer or agency thereof, or by a State, Territory or Commonwealth. The brief may be conditionally filed with the motion for leave.

 

A motion for leave shall identify the interest of the applicant and shall state the reasons why a brief of an amicus curiae is desirable. Save as all parties otherwise consent, any amicus curiae shall file its brief within the time allowed the party whose position as to affirmance or reversal the amicus brief will support unless the court for cause shown shall grant leave for a later filing, in which event it shall specify within what period an opposing party may answer.

 

A motion of an amicus curiae to participate in the oral argument will be granted only for extraordinary reasons." Rule 29. Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.

 

 

Many of us know the reason behind the many " Briefs of amici curiae"  

As a matter of fact,  that  specific case dealt with: 

 

 "... the question whether the Religion Clauses of the First

Amendment prohibit a State from imposing a generally

applicable sales and use tax on the distribution of religious

 materials by a religious organization"  .-

 

Of course, the "   Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., by James M. McCabe and Donald T. Ridley.  was very, very interested in the outcome.

 

 Infact due to the judgement in that case, the  " Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc."  the  offering of literature changed from this way :

 

*** km 1/90 p. 1 Be Alert to Offer Bible Literature ***

FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE

3 During January and February we will be offering a variety of 192-page books on a contribution of 50¢ each. The books to be offered include any 192-page book published prior to 1980 except Family Life, Great Teacher, This Life, Truth, and Youth. Congregations that do not have these books in stock may offer the Worldwide Security book for a contribution of $1.00.

 

to this ‘new’ way :

 

:

 

*** km 5/90 p. 7 Use Our Literature Wisely ***

THE COMPLETE-DONATION ARRANGEMENT

2 At the end of February 1990, it was explained that magazines and literature will be provided to publishers and to the interested public on a complete donation basis, that is, without asking or suggesting that a specific contribution be made as a precondition to receiving an item. When literature is offered, voluntary donations will be accepted to support the worldwide work of publishing the good news. We have faith that Jehovah will bless this arrangement.—Compare Matthew 6:33.

  

 

  known also as : ‘« Simplified Literature Distribution Arrangement   

 

Starting within the U.S.A. and gradually extending , in the same year  - 1990 - to most of the European countries.

 

How surprising then to find out that in the year 2002,  in the  case dealt finally by the Supreme Court of the United States ,  Watchtower Bible etc. v.  Statton, Ohio et Al.

 

(cfr . http://www.freedomforum.org/fac/2001-02/watchtower_sum.htm )

Case Name: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc. v. Village of Stratton, 00-1737 Argument Date: Feb. 26, 2002 Decided: June 17, 2002

 

Also   ( http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/00-1737.htm).

 

 A motion for leave to file " Brief Amicus Curiae " and    " Brief of Amicus Curiae" was presented by the following   organizations:

 

***Electronic Privacy Information Center,                           ( Mikal  J. Condon))

***American Civil Liberties Union, Foundation ,                (Steven Shapiro )

***American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio                          (Raymond Vasvari)

and 14 Legal Scholars      

                        

"in support of the Watchtower Bible Etc. , Petitioners;

 

But it is not finished, because  now the situation is reversed, and a  :  "Brief of Amicus Curiae" is is presented by the  " Independent Baptist Churches of America   in support of

Petitioners" !

Btw, Exhibit  (A) @  , presented to the Supreme Court , lists  28 Baptist Temple/Church/Mission starting with   the "Baptist Temple of Franklin  (Pennsylvania) and

ending with the "West Coast Baptist Church, Vista  California.

 

Sorry if it is getting long , but  the fireworks...are literally coming, in the form of more

organizations filing for  "Brief Amicus Curiae "…they are the following:

 

***Real Campaignreform. Org, Inc;

 

***Free Speech Defense and Education Fund, Inc.;

 

***Lincoln Institute for Research and Education;

 

***Capitol Hill Prayer Alert Foundation;

 

***Gun Owners of America, Inc.

 

***Education Fund in Support of Petitioners.-

 

Please notice also that under a footnote (2), of the Subheading " Interest of Amici Curiae"

it is stated that: 

(2)  "Amici requested and received the written consent of the parties to the

filing of this brief amicus curiae.   "

 

Be patient a little longer, because another organization stepped in.

 

  Infact  a  " Motion of the Church Of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints for Leave

to File Brief Amicus Curiae in Support of Petitioners and Brief Amicus Curiae."

 

What is also interesting is that '  The  Church Of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints,

is filing the motion " because Respondents ..."  i.e. the Village of Statton, Ohio

  " ...withheld their consent. * 

The Footnote (*) reads :  "  ...Petitioners' letter of consent is on file with the Clerk

of the Cout."

 

Yes you have guessed by now ...the "Petitioners " are  the Watchtower Bible and Tract

Society of New York, Inc. and Wellsville , Ohio, Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses,Inc.

 

Naturally all these  very, very interesting details  are hidden to the vast majority of the

JW's.

 

For all those interested to see  all the informations, here is the  list:

 

 

1)  Syllabus of the Case       http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-1737.ZS.html

 

2)  Opinion (Stevens)           http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-1737.ZO.html

 

 

3) Concurrence  (Breyer)      http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-1737.ZC.html

 

 

4) Concurrence  (Scalia)        http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-1737.ZC1.html

 

 

5)  Dissent  (Rehnquist)        http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-1737.ZD.html

 

 

For all the " Briefs  Amicus Curiae "  filed  in this case with the Supreme Court, in support

of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.  here is the list:

 

 

1)  Independent Baptist Churches of   America 

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

 

 

2) Electronic Privacy Information Center

 

http://www.jehovah.to/legal/briefs/Epicbrief.pdf

 

 

3)  Center for  Individual Freedom

 

http://www.jehovah.to/legal/briefs/CIFbrief.pdf

 

 

4)  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

 

5) Real CampaignReform.Org. Inc., et Al

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

 

6)Free Speech Defense and Education Fund, Inc.;

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

 

7) Lincoln Institute for Research and Education;

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

 

 

8)Capitol Hill Prayer Alert Foundation;

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

 

 

9)Gun Owners of America, Inc.

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

 

 

10) Education Fund in Support of Petitioners.-

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

 

For the complete  list of " Briefs " see also :

 

 

http://www.epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html

 

From the above link -  a very  interesting one -   you'll also  find   a  great quote:

 

 

"Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority ...

It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First

Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation--and

their ideas from suppression--at the hand of an intolerant society."

 

A very  powerful reminder for all of us  ...not forgetting  the " Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc."!

 

In conclusion  the WTBS Inc.  did :

 

***support/share  the ideals of   the Nazis  (1930’s) ;

 

***support  the case of Jimmy Swaggart  (1990) ;

 

***support the ideals of the United Nations  (from 1991) ;

 

***now  (2002 –2003  ) Babylon the Great and Co. are

supporting the WTBS Inc. !!!

 

 

 

That's the end for now.  I do hope that the reading wasn't too heavy.

 

Greetings,  J.C.MacHislopp

 

 

"Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas "  (Ammonio, Vita   d ' Aristotele)
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mizpahRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

As I understood it the Watchtower position put it in company with not only the Jimmy Swaggart Ministries but also with the likes of the Church of Scientology.  Isn't it funny how a common interests, in this case the selling of literature, make for "strange bedfellows."  A better term would have been "friend of fellow co-religionists."

It is true that the Watchtower Society withdrew from this case probably because it saw the futility of it and then changed their whole program for distributing literature.  It will never admit that it was primarily this case, though.  As I recall, the Society seemed to make it a charitable cause by distributing literature at the expense of its followers. 
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ashitakaRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

great post, we gotta keep this one near the top, get the word out there.

ash
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Reborn2002Re: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

bttt

Great information for newbies unaware of such scandals as this.

Over the last 15 years or so, the Watchtower has indeed had strange bedfellows. Siding with Jimmy Swaggart and the Church of Scientology in lawsuits to retain the right of literature placement, and signing on the dotted line to be a non-governmental organization (NGO) with the "wild beast of Revelation" itself, the United Nations.

Keep it coming.

 
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crownboyRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

I really don't have much of a problem with the amicus curiae situation in these two cases.  It is customary for several independent parties to file such briefs in behalf of a party that favours their interest when a case is being put foward to the SCOTUS.  It's about defending constitutional rights, not necessarily endorsing a given party per se.  The main problem is that the Society misrepresented the reason why they changed the donation policy, or at least they were less than forthright.

Obviously, the JW's had no excuse (by their standards) for joining the UN.
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zevRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.
The main problem is that the Society misrepresented the reason why they changed the donation policy, or at least they were less than forthright.

 

i'll say.

 

 

it wasnt until 2001 that i learned that, they never ever said WHY. good thing for 'postate sites and the internet to keep on spread the "good news", heh?

 

(i just couldn't resist)
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jst2lawsRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

Hello Crownboy,
I really don't have much of a problem with the amicus curiae situation in these two cases.  .... The main problem is that the Society misrepresented the reason why they changed the donation policy, or at least they were less than forthright.

I agree, except for it is coming from an organization that will DF you for supporting Jimmy Swaggart's cause, but will go to bat for him for reasons they have hidden from their rank and file supporters.   Legally and financially it was a wise course.  Morally it was hypocritical. 

As for as hidding their motives,  we were told the no donation arrangement was so we could more effectively focus on "the spiritual nature of our work".   So Jimmy Swaggarts loss in court helped the Governing Body to refocus on the spiritual nature of our work.  Wasn't it just two weeks after the court decision the WT Society sent out instructions laying out the 'simplified' literature arrangement?

Good to see you around Crownboy, and you to Zev.

Jst2laws

 
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mizpahRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

I have no object to the idea of "amicus curiae" either.  And I know it is a legal means to support self interests.  But what I do object to is the Watchtower's insistence that its members be entirely separate from those whom it classifies as "Babylon the Great."  Yet, it did not hesitate to support the efforts of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries to sell literature to save its own skin.  I wonder if an individual JW was found to be supporting any other religion even in this indirect way what would have happened?

I knew of one JW who had a security business that serviced a church.  The elders insisted that he drop this church upon the threat of disfellowshipment.  This person tried to reason with the elders that he had legal obligation (contract) until he could find another security business to take over.  The elders gave an ultimatum of dropping the business within a few business days.  Being impossible to do, this person was disfellowshipped. 

The only reason I give this example is to show how exacting the Watchtower requires its own members to obey the rules but feels free to pursue any course that protects its own business interests. 

 

  
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waitingRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

I remember being appalled at the WTBTS & Jimmy Swaggart when I found it (thanks to an apostate site).

It is a perfectly legal and money-smart thing to do.  The same thing with UN

This is no different than the Catholic Church, etc.  The Church will do as it pleases or can get away with........and damn their followers for doing the same thing.

 
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EuphemismRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

I have to agree with crownboy here.

Filing an amicus curiae brief is not in any way an endorsement of the party in the trial. It does not involve any organizational involvement with them, or any sort of co-operation or co-ordination with them whatsoever. It simply signifies that the filer is aware that their own interests will be affected by the precedent of this decision.

Registering as an NGO with UN, on the other hand, involved an agreement to actively publish articles in support of the UN and its policies.

Big, big difference.
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LDHRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.
It simply signifies that the filer is aware that their own interests will be affected by the precedent of this decision.

So, if a third party does *not* file Amicus Curiae, are you saying they *don't* realize the implications of such suit?

Lisa
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JourlesRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

Following are two separate letters, one for the elders, and one for the congregation.  Notice anything missing?  Read specifically the second paragraph from the BOE letter:

alt

And this letter was read to all congregations:

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Notice how the Society says that they want to "distinguish" themselves from Babylon the Great?  The previous paragraphs leading up to that statement make you believe that "simplification" is key and that Jehovah is behind these "richly blessed...efforts to simplify."  Of course, only a thinly-veiled effort is made to explain the reason for this new simplification.  Here again, the Society uses code-language by saying, "many have noted that secular authorities..."  We all know how they love to use those types of terms.  "Some Christians have felt that it would be acceptable to their conscience..."  Who are these "some?"  Who are these "many?"  Why not just come out and explain the true reason for the change?  They must be afraid of the R&F researching which "Supreme Court decisions" required this change and then finding out they became a "friend of the court" for Swaggart.
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Room 215Re: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

Crownboy, Euphemism,  Let's not forget that this is an organization that will compel its members to shun any relative or friend  who swims in a YMCA pool, cuts a church's lawn or buys a cake at a sidewalk church bake sale....  Their actions and statements for public consumption at the time were certainly intended to obfuscate the real reasons for the change to the donation system on literature placement.  It was the ``worldly" media and the ``apostates" who shone light on the relevance of the Swaggart issue to the policy change.
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EuphemismRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.
So, if a third party does *not* file Amicus Curiae, are you saying they *don't* realize the implications of such suit?

No, but I'm saying that they have no other way of putting their position before the court. The court won't agree to hear them as a separate case, just because they don't want to be joined with 'false religion.'
Let's not forget that this is an organization that will compel its members to shun any relative or friend who swims in a YMCA pool, cuts a church's lawn or buys a cake at a sidewalk church bake sale

I believe that it is a d/fing offense to be hired by the church as a gardener, or to take a church contract if you own your own business. It is not a d/fing offense if you are an employee of someone else's business. The other two items, while discouraged, are not d/fing offenses.

I agree, the above restrictions are all ridiculous. But the key thing is that they all involve some sort of association, some sort of mutual exchange with a religious organization.

An amicus curiae brief does not involve any sort of association, exchange, or affiliation with any of the parties in the case. It is--or at least, can be--simply a petition to the Supreme Court to recognize the arguments and interests of the filer.
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crownboyRe: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.
An amicus curiae brief does not involve any sort of association, exchange, or affiliation with any of the parties in the case. It is--or at least, can be--simply a petition to the Supreme Court to recognize the arguments and interests of the filer.

Precisely, Euphemism.  The Society did absolutely nothing wrong by filing the brief; they did not associate themselves with Jimmy Swaggert ministries anymore than the Mormons associated themselves with the JW's by filing a friend of the court brief in the recent Stratton case.  This kind of "strange bedfellows" situation happens all the time because the only thing that counts isn't the case per se, but the constitutional underpinnings (in fact, the SCOTUS only grants certorari to cases that present complex constitutional questions, not to interesting or poignant scenarios).  There was no actual endorsement of Jimmy Swaggert in anyway. 

But as Jourles' letters point out, the real wrong came when the Society misrepresented their position to the congregations.  They figured saying that they wanted to "simplify" their arrangement was nicer than saying that they wanted to practice tax avoidance, so they mislead people to keep the prestine image of the Society intact.

Obviously, the way in which the Society deals with people who join the YMCA, etc. is wrong, but that still doesn't mean that the Jimmy Swaggert brief was wrong, or that it compares to the UN situation in any significant way.
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MacHislopp  Re: "AMICUS CURIAE", the USA’ Supreme Court and the WTBS Inc.

 

 

Hello Everyone,

thanks for your appreciation and your interesting comments.

 

 

From   MIZPAH

 

"...the Watchtower Society changed their whole program for distributing literature. It will never admit that it was primarily this case..."

 

Yes,  many of us on this Board found out but the greater number of the

'R&F'  has always been  kept in the dark.

 

 

Ashitaka and Reborn 2002 : I  do agree with you. We should keep informed as many as we can, with a particular attention to the newcomers of this Board.

 

 

From   Zev :

 

"....The main problem is that the Society misrepresented the reason why they changed the donation policy, or at least they were less than forthright. "

 

Very true, nevertheless the real reason ist still unknown today by most JW's.

 

 

From Just2laws:

 

"...Legally and financially it was a wise course. Morally it was hypocritical. "

 

 True, but as you  and Mizpah have already written ... any similar action by a JW's ...and the JC

would have promptly dsf the " guilty" brother/sister for association  and /or  active support of the  great harlot...Babylon.

 

I do also find  Mizpah true life experience, a confirmation of the WTBS Inc. attitude, and  her

directives/counsels  applied by the local BOE.   His final comment is really a gem:

 

"... to  show how exacting the Watchtower requires its own members to obey the rules but feels free to pursue any course that protects its own business interests. "!!!

 

 

From   waiting :

 

"..I remember being appalled at the WTBTS & Jimmy Swaggart when I found it (thanks to an apostate site )."

 

I did feel disgust for such a high level...should I say pharisiacal level of hypocrisy, on the part

of the WTBS Inc. which claims things like:

 

"The Watchtower is written to upbuild and bless...  It does not provide some man's opinion, because what it is said is based on a Greater One's thought. "

(w. 58 7/1  p. 406 )

 

From Euphemism:

 

"It simply signifies that the filer is aware that  -their own interests will be affected  -

 by the precedent of this decision. "

 

 

True, it is correct from the legal viewpoint, but is it morally correct, is it  really  a way

to act, following Jesus' example or is there infact a real demonstration  of another legal

 expedient to avoid  ...loss of revenue, to  avoid paying  taxes ...???  

To use a similar analogy - from the WTBS  Inc.  - : "...could your motives and actions be approved by Jesus Christ?  "     Finally if all these action were ,  from a Christian moral viewpoint, insignificant, why the WTBS Inc. has never informed, published something about?

And when they do publish something ...the most significant, revealing parts are left out.

 

So, it is  with the  aim of showing the real true attitude of the WTBS Inc,

that I have  prepared more material , just as  a reminder, to prove what

kind of association/support /counsel  has been  seeking  - and still is -  the

WTBS Inc. , which  claims  to be :

" Jehovah's visible channel of communication "

                 (w.59 10/1  pages 601-602 ) 

or if you prefer

"   ...the channel of communication from heaven to earth  ..."

  (w. 60 7/15  page 439  'Staying  Awake with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave ").

 

As a matter of fact,   the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Ney York, Inc. and in general  the  JW's have always claimed and taught publicly and in writing,  to be against interfaith 'contamination' considering all  other forms of religion other  than themselves, "false" and collectively making up "Babylon The Great"

However, seeking to join a    Forum/Conference/International Conference/Gathering/

Reunion/Meeting   of sociologists, scholars   and other religious organizations in a united effort for silencing secular and government critics through "CESNUR", the WTBS Inc.  has  officially broken with their past history of shunning other religions and have opted to participate with the Church of Scientology, the Unification Church, the Transylvanian Society of Dracula, and other groups.   It was only   public awareness by anti-cult organizations and groups that

 caused/forced  their cancellation from this CESNUR 's 12th International Conference,

claiming "previous engagements."

 

This was the famous conference, from : http://www.cesnur.org/conferences/ces98_prog.htm

 

Here are the details of the 'Plenary Session' for  Friday, September 11   1998

(from:  http://www.cesnur.org/conferences/ces98_prog.htm  )

 

Quote:

 

 

CESNUR's 12th International Conference

12° convegno internazionale del CESNUR

 

 

 

Friday September 11, 1998


Venerdì 11 settembre 1998

8.45 - 11 Plenary Session 12 / Sessione 12 (plenaria) President: Karel DOBBELAERE

 

BELIEF, BEHAVIOR, AND THE NEW AGE

CREDENZE, COMPORTAMENTI E NEW AGE

(simultaneous translation / traduzione simultanea)

Il New Age tra crisi e rinnovamento / New Age: Between Crisis and Renewal - Enzo PACE (Università di Padova)

The UFO-Contactees as a Category in the History of Religions / I contattisti dei dischi volanti come categoria nella storia delle religioni - Mikael ROTHSTEIN (University of Copenhagen)

The Raelians, UFO Religions and the Postmodern Condition / I raeliani, le religioni ufologiche e la condizione postmoderna - Susan PALMER e Bryan SENTES (Dawson College, Montreal)

Credenze, comportamenti e New Age tra i giovani in Italia / Belief, Behavior, and the New Age among Italian Teenagers - Franco GARELLI (Università di Torino)

The Aryan Christ of the New Age / Il Cristo "ariano" del New Age - Reender KRANENBORG (Free University of Amsterdam)

11,15 - 13 Plenary Session 13 / Sessione 13 (plenaria) President: Eileen BARKER

 

RELIGIOUS MINORITIES AND CULT CONTROVERSIES IN RUSSIA

MINORANZE RELIGIOSE E CONTROVERSIE SULLE "SETTE" IN RUSSIA

(simultaneous translation / traduzione simultanea)

New Religious Movements in Today's Russia - Boris FALIKOV (University of Moscow)

Court Cases Involving New Religious Movements in Russia - James RICHARDSON (University of Nevada, Reno)

Westen Anti-Cult Movement and the Russian Debate on New Religious Movements - Marat SHTERIN (Doctoral Candidate, London School of Economics)

The Anti-Cult Movement and Legal Practice in Russia - Galina KRYLOVA (Attorney, Moscow)

14,30 - 16,30 Session 14 / Sessione 14 Presidente: Pier Marco FERRARESI

 

SCUOLE ESOTERICHE

Origini della scuola kremmerziana - Ariella CASIMIRI (Torino)

Kremmerz e la Fratellanza di Myriam - Daniela BOVOLENTA (Torino)

Gli Arcana Arcanorum e la magia trasmutatoria: un'indagine - PierLuigi ZOCCATELLI (CESNUR, Verona)

Fidus (Hugo Höppener 1868-1948), un artista fra esoterismo e politica - Ermanno PAVESI (psichiatra, Siggenthal, Svizzera)

14,30 - 16,30 Session 15 / Session 15 President: Constance JONES

 

MSIA: THE MOVEMENT OF SPIRITUAL INNER AWARENESS IN SCHOLARLY PERSPECTIVE

The Origins and History of MSIA - Massimo INTROVIGNE (CESNUR, Torino)

MSIA's Religious Doctrine and Worldview - J. Gordon MELTON (Institute for the Study of American Religion, Santa Barbara, California)

MSIA and "Spiritual Plagiarism" - James R. LEWIS (Santa Barbara, California)

A Demographic Survey of the Membership of MSIA - Michela ZONTA (Ph. D. Candidate, University of California, Santa Barbara)

14,30 - 16,30 Session 16 / Sessione 16 Président: Jean-François MAYER

 

RELIGIONS DE GUÉRISON

Médecine, guérison et droit pénal - Olivier-Louis SÉGUY (Avocat, Paris)

Questions pour une sociologie des religions de guérison - Régis DERICQUEBOURG (Université de Lille)

Rapport entre salut et guérison dans quelques nouvelles religions japonaises - Louis HOURMANT (CNRS, Paris)

Occultisme et science médicale de la Renaissance à nos jours - Jean-Pierre LAURANT (Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Religieuses, Sorbonne, Paris)

Aux frontières du corps parlant, le sujet en question? - Guy-Robert ST.-ARNAUD (Université de Montréal)

14,30 - 16 Session 17 / Sessione 17 Presidente: Luigi BERZANO

 

 

IL CANDOMBLÉ DAL BRASILE ALL'EUROPA

Axé: Exú - Iemanjá - Teresinha BERNARDO (Università Cattolica di Sao Paulo)

Migrazioni religiose e processi di adattamento: il candomblé dal nuovo al vecchio mondo - Luisa FALDINI PIZZORNO (Università di Genova)

Le strade del candomblé e le entità della strada - Tiziana TONON (laureanda, Università di Genova)

16.15 - 17.45 Session 18 / Sessione 18 President: Régis DERICQUEBOURG