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  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    (Chester DailyLocal.com, USA )

    Greist must never be released from the state hospital

    Every year around this time Richard Greist, who was found not guilty by reason of insanity in 1980 for the death of his wife, Janice, and attacks on his family, pushes for more freedom.

    And every year, Greist, a resident at Norristown State Hospital, is denied.

    We’re all about rights, fairness and treating people the correct way.

    However, here’s our position on Greist: Richard Greist is where he belongs and never should be released from the state hospital — ever.

    Why?

    Because on May 10, 1978, Greist, in a psychotic rage, stabbed his wife, cut the body of his unborn son from her body and mutilated it, then stabbed one of his two daughters in the eye and killed the family cat at their home in East Coventry. He was captured outside the house by police, his body smeared with the blood of his victims.

    He was found not guilty by reason of insanity in 1980 and has remained at Norristown State Hospital ever since.

    That is where he belongs. He needs to be in a facility that can attempt to treat his mental illness.

    Apparently, a Chester County judge agrees.

    The judge overseeing Greist’s case has ordered him recommitted to Norristown State Hospital for another year, and made no changes in the off-ground privileges that he now enjoys.

    The judge — Judge Edward Griffith — also had some harsh words for Greist, saying that Greist continues to see his release from Norristown as the primary mission of his work with doctors, rather than to completely engage in the psychiatric therapy that would improve his condition.

    "Rather than focus solely on therapy as a means to this end, Mr. Greist appears to believe he can marshal pubic opinion to aid his cause," Griffith wrote in a footnote to his order recommitting Greist, signed Feb. 28. "Mr. Greist remains committed to his vision that he is the greatest victim of the horrific acts that he perpetrated on May 10, 1978."

    There remains a profound disagreement among psychiatrists who have interviewed and treated Greist about his current mental condition, and whether he has regained enough of a hold on his emotional and psychological status to begin the process of an eventual release from the hospital into the community.

    Doctors hired by Greist’s attorney say he has made progress and that there are no serious obstacles with his eventual release to either a half-way house or other residential setting, while a prosecution psychiatrist says he still poses a threat to the community.

    Greist is allowed to attend church services at a local branch of the Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, where he is an ordained minister, once a week;

    to attend sessions with his personal psychiatrist once a week; to have unsupervised 12-hour visits once every three months; and to have supervised outings given a three-day notice to the Chester County District Attorney’s Office and local police.

    However, we think as long as the argument exists over Greist’s mental status, the community deserves to be protected from him.

    "Mr. Greist lacks empathy for those he has hurt. (He) continues to engage in manipulative behavior with his caregivers. Mr. Greist ... continues to blame others, particularly women, for his plight, fails to take responsibility for the consequences of his own choices and actions, and fails to recognize any impact his behaviors have had on others," the judge wrote.

    That’s reason enough for us.

  • dinah
    dinah

    OMG

    Wonder how he ever got the idea in his head to blame the women for everything that is wrong in his life?

  • JK666
    JK666

    Am I the only one who is wondering if he was a JW in1978 when the murders took place?

    JK

  • Rapunzel
    Rapunzel

    Hi, jk666: Your question is an excellent one, and it induced me to do a Google search keying in the words "Richard Greist murder." I was shocked to read that Greist remarried in 2004. He married a woman from New Zealand whom he first met on the Internet.She is also a Witness, and says that they could not have done it without Jehovah's help. She also says that Greist is suffering from dyslexia and that she has a "soft spot" for people with learning disabilities. She left her home and life in New Zealand to marry Greist. When she visited him, he actually told her: You're not leaving here without wearing my ring on your finger." Those words are enough to make you feel all warm and tingly inside, don't they?

    In regard to your thoughtful question, the article that I read does not explicitly say that Greist was a witness at the time of the psychotic episode during which he slaughtered his family members. The article does say that he believed himself to be Jesus Christ incarnate. The article also states that Greist believed that his family members were possessed and that Greist felt he was removing the evil that resided within them. Greist also felt that they would be reunited after the resurrection. As we all know, Witnesses firmly believe in the resurrection; it's one of their main beliefs. But, to be totally objective, as far as I could tell, the article that I read did not state that Greist was a Witness at the time when he committed the murders. Of course, Witnesses are not the only ones to believe in a bodily resurrection. And it goes without saying that Greist's delusions and psychosis cannot be ascribed to his belief in a resurrection; he would be psychotic even without such a belief. Besides being psychotic, he's also sociopathic. He's manipulative, controlling and very dangerous.

    I understand why you ask if Greist was a Witness at the time of the murders, or if he converted to the religion later. If I have time, I will do further research to try to find out. As I said, I just googled the words - "Richard Greist murder," and I found a lot of stuff. One question that I have is why the Witnesses even allow him in their hall for association. Wouldn't it be safer for everyone if the Witnesses visited him in prison?

  • momzcrazy
    momzcrazy
    Am I the only one who is wondering if he was a JW in1978 when the murders took place?

    No, you're not. And that gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

    My dad studied with a convicted rapist in prison in Utah. We went there for a family day picnic. He got out of prison on good behaviour because of being a JW. Within a year he was back in for the attempted rape of a Witness woman. He got out again as a Mormon and recently died. Good riddence.

    momz

  • Rapunzel
    Rapunzel

    I did another Google search and typed in "Richard Greist murder." I found an article which is located a few spots down on the Google list. The article stated that "since the slayings, Greist has become a Jehovah's Witness." In my mind, that implies that Greist was not a Witness when he slew his family members, but became a Witness after committing the atrocity. The article in question also stated something else which shocked me - his present wife, whom he married in 2004, is in fact his third wife. In the interrum between the slayings and his third marriage, he was briefly married to another woman who killed herself after one year of marriage to Greist. The article that I read featured very bizarre testimony on the part of his surviving daughter. She described him as having "fiery orange and swirling green eyes," the most evil thing she has ever seen. The article also said that Greist still harbors misogynist attitudes toward the women in his life.

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    hooboy. "Yes, I know he murdered his wife and carved her baby from the womb and mutilated it and stabbed his daughter in the eye, but it was all a misunderstanding and I luuuuuuuv him so much! Yes I know his second wife killed herself, and it's just terrible that people think it had something to do with poor Richard. He's so mistreated." My god, some women are out of their fucking minds.

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