The Fossil Record: vs God Allowing Pain & Suffering

by Shanagirl 23 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Shanagirl
    Shanagirl

    What a man does with the fossil record tells a lot about his worldview. Is it the result of a world-covering deluge? Or did this sorry chronicle of pain, suffering, and death precede humans (and the reign of death) by millions of years? A lot hangs on this question. Defending the goodness of God in a world full of suffering is a difficult job. The job is made nigh unto impossible if we place at God's feet the carnage of the fossil record.

    Try to imagine God standing on His newly created Earth and calling it "very good" when under his feet lay the ruined remains of former life forms buried in various positions of agony and stages of decay. Yet all Christians who believe in an old Earth must embrace this picture. Some defend it by claiming we Americans get too sentimental over animals; only human suffering matters. Others say human suffering is, in itself, a "good" thing. Most ignore it. With the growing rise of Gnosticism, however, the question will surely not be going away soon.

    Gnostics, like most religious people, have well-developed ideas on creation, "fall," and redemption. Creation to a Gnostic begins with an impersonal and vague primal god that "emanates" a few dozen deities of whom Sophia ("wisdom"), the earth goddess, is foremost. She gives birth to Jehovah and things begin to go wrong. Jehovah creates a corrupt Earth that from the start was full of suffering, pain, and death yet who attempted to pass it off as "good." Adam and Eve, having developed through Jehovah's cruel method of evolution, are also corrupt, yet they and their offspring retain a "divine spark." Only by accepting the Serpent's offer of knowledge (Gnosis) can man escape the cruel designs of Jehovah and evolve according to the promise, "ye shall be as gods." The Serpent becomes the hero. A rite of initiation among some modern Gnostics is to ritualistically eat an apple in open rebellion against their Creator.

    The point is this. The Gnostic's point of departure, which is evident on any of their websites, is that only an evil god would deliberately create a world in which physical suffering is so central to his program. They feel the brunt of this more acutely than most Christians.

    For three reasons I commend the Gnostics. First, they are to be commended for understanding evolution better than the Darwinists do. For man to advance to his next evolutionary stage, Gnostics see the need for information. Darwinists are utterly blind to this. Second, I commend Gnostics for their consistency. Today's animal economy, based upon "survival of the fittest," rewards cunning brutality, and predation. Young Charles Darwin felt that a god who ordained such an economy from the start is not the kind of god he was inclined to worship (and I agree). Third, I commend the Gnostics for bringing to light an issue that we ignore at our peril—the origin of physical suffering and death (human and animal).

    Theistic evolutionists, progressive creationists, and all Christians who believe in an old Earth have this in common: they see in the fossil record a saga of millions of years of death, physical suffering, and bloodshed of animals that preceded Adam. In embracing this, they have no credible answer for human suffering and give fuel to the Gnostics. God's goodness must be defended. An event after the Fall sufficiently accounts for the fossil

    Shana

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Interesting post. Do you have any evidence to suggest Gnostic Christians understand evolution better that biologists?

  • cofty
    cofty

    For man to advance to his next evolutionary stage, Gnostics see the need for information. Darwinists are utterly blind to this.

    Please expand on this. In what way are evolutioanry biologists "utterly blind" to the need for information, and how are you using the word information in this context?

  • JustHuman14
    JustHuman14

    Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!another Creation VS Evolution depate ready to roooooooll....

  • cofty
    cofty

    There is no debate. Evolution is a fact.

  • JustHuman14
    JustHuman14

    Then why they call it: Evolution Theory???

    cheers Cofty

  • MadGiant
    MadGiant

    "Then why they call it: Evolution Theory?" -

    A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.

    When used in non-scientific context, the word “theory” implies that something is unproven or speculative. As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

    Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists’ explanations and interpretations of the facts.

    Scientists can have various interpretations of the outcomes of experiments and observations, but the facts, which are the cornerstone of the scientific method, do not change.

    in other words, you can't observed something that took millions of years in a lifetime.

    Ismael

  • cofty
    cofty

    Then why they call it: Evolution Theory???

    The word "theory" has a specific meaning in a scientific context. Confusingly it does not mean something that still hasn't been shown to be true. In fact it means the opposite.

    "A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory" read more...

    A theory is a good as it gets in science. Gravity is a theory so is germ theory.

    It's a pity somebody didn't choose a completely different word but thats what we are stuck with.

    Evolution is beyond all resonable doubt. There are many details still to be discovered but the fact that all living things evolved from a common ancestor is a fact.

    ETA - Madgiant beat me to it.

  • Shanagirl
    Shanagirl

    I didn't mean for this topic to be a debate on creation vs evolution. Sorry about that. The article below caught my eye in describing Try to imagine God standing on His newly created Earth and calling it "very good" when under his feet lay the ruined remains of former life forms buried in various positions of agony and stages of decay.

    http://www.icr.org/article/fossil-record-commending-gnostics/ ICR equips believers with evidence of the Bible's accuracy and authority

    The Fossil Record: Commending the Gnostics

    by William A. Hoesch, M.S.

  • JustHuman14
    JustHuman14

    Cofty, I didn't said that I don't believe in Evolution...there was an Evolution process. The main issue is who is responsible for that?

    No one, including Scientists(and the majority of them are part of the control system that exists today on Earth) knows, or holds the absolute truth.

    I always have as my moto, one saying of our Great Philosophers, Socrates: " I know one thing that I know NOTHING".... and the Greatest of all Aristotle said: " It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"

    good bye to all, since I have made my last post,

    all the best

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit