Validation and defense mechanisms, or why it's ok for billions to die

by zoiks 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • zoiks
    zoiks

    More and more I have been thinking about the mindset that considers the idea that billions are to be destroyed at Armageddon as perfectly ok. Farkel's articles on freeminds.org really helped to bring it home for me. As JWs, we do (or did) think it was perfectly reasonable that billions will have earned a death sentence simply for not accepting religious literature from an uninvited person at their doorstep. How do otherwise good people (for the most part) come to accept genocide as an acceptible, even good, solution to the problems they see and experience?

    I know that thousands of pages have been devoted to this subject, especially dealing with the holocaust in Europe during WWII. But what about just dealing specifically with our experience as JWs?

    Personally, I think a lot of it comes from, or is exacerbated by, our door-to-door preaching work. Consider: going uninvited to preach to people is a stressful experience. You are risking a lot by doing this. You are trying to present your most deeply-held beliefs and values to strangers, who will mostly reject those beliefs and values to your face. We would try to ease the discomfort by saying things like, "It's Jehovah they are rejecting. I am just the lowly messenger." But day in and day out of near-constant rejection takes its toll. We were not taught to have real conversations and consider viewpoints other than our own. We set ourselves up to be threatened by disagreement, rejection, or even mere apathy. How does the mind protect itself from this constant barrage? It seeks validation. I remember on more than one occasion, hearing someone come back from a particularly brutal householder saying, "Well, cross that one out of the Book of Life". What a terrible thing to say or think! But the person was protecting themselves from the discomfort that comes from being challenged and not being able to back down, not being able to admit that someone else doesn't find these beliefs to be valid, true, or even worth their time.

    So, we would naturally seek that validation, that ultimate "I told you so!" And what better way to ease the stress, the discomfort, the pain of rejection than to look to the time when they would all be proved wrong and we would be proved right. It is an awful thought, but we would often embrace that thought with a morbid sense of glee, thinking "That'll show them!" It was our mind's way of protecting itself, its way of seeking validation in the face of constant rejection. I'm sure that this isn't the whole story, but I think that this is a large part of it. The door-to-door preaching work creates people who are ok with genocide. If that isn't a sweeping generalization I don't know what is! But it should be good for generating conversation...

    My little rambling rant is done. I would love to hear others' thoughts on this.

    zoiks

  • blondie
    blondie

    The WTS has said in writing that non-jws don't even need an "individual witness" to be judged worthy of eternal destruction.

    *** w00 1/15 p. 13 par. 17 "Keep on the Watch" ***

    Fifth,

    weseeaglobalpreachingworkbeingaccomplished,whichJesussaidwouldtakeplacejustbeforetheendofthissystem. Jesus stated: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) Today, that prophecy is in the course of fulfillment on an unprecedented scale. True, untouched territories still exist, and it may be that in Jehovah’s due time, a large door leading to greater activity will open. (1 Corinthians 16:9) Nevertheless, the Bible does not state that Jehovah will wait until every individual on earth has received a personal witness. Rather, the good news must be preached to Jehovah’s satisfaction. Then the end will come.—Compare Matthew 10:23.
  • zoiks
    zoiks

    The WTS has said in writing that non-jws don't even need an "individual witness" to be judged worthy of eternal destruction

    Well that's not very nice, is it?

    zoiks

  • Perry
    Perry

    As JWs, we do (or did) think it was perfectly reasonable that billions will have earned a death sentence simply for not accepting religious literature from an uninvited person at their doorstep. How do otherwise good people (for the most part) come to accept genocide as an acceptible, even good, solution to the problems they see and experience?

    As Jehovah's Witnesses, didn't we believe that sin and death came from Adam? The watchtower preaches death from Adam from one corner of the mouth and out of the other side they preach death from Jehovah at Armageddon. You can't be consistent by claiming death comes from both Adam and God can you? Yet, this is what we all tried to reconcile to ourselves and others. Many still do.

    It takes a while to sort it out after leaving. Naturalism believes us to be alive now, though we are all dying. God describes our condition of physical decay as a prisoner to death. A release from this incarceration is called LIFE. Any, "premature" death, providential or otherwise, while in the incarcerated state has no bearing whatsoever on the reality of the condition of life or death.

    The genocide that you speak of is actually all around us now....hidden in plain sight.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    A little-explored problem with the Witnesses' Armageddon dogma is that Revelation clearly states that it is a battle over rulership, between the "kings of the entire inhabited earth" and God. The link between that event and destruction of all the wicked (where "wicked" = non--JW) is scripturally tenuous at best, nonexistent at worst.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Excellent point Mad Sweeney.

    It is a military battle that serves as a catalyst to the long awaited touchdown of the King of Kings Jesus Christ on the Mount of Olives. Like it or not, a Jew is destined to rule this world.

    Zech. 12: 2-3 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling... when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
    And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

    All that concern themselves with the "burdensome stone" of Jerusalem will will find it far too heavy to move. They will stumble over this "stone". After the Times of the Gentiles have ended, God will once again turn his attention to his promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    God has made a promise to preserve Israel and he intends to keep it regardless of the other party's non-compliance. The political world will pick a fight with the desert God of Abraham through the "burdensome stone" of Israel.

  • zoiks
    zoiks

    Thanks for the comments. Watchtower flawed logic and dogma aside, it floors me that as individuals, we were ok with the idea that all these people deserve to die. The idea becomes increasingly repugnant to me.

    zoiks

  • Olin Moyles Ghost
    Olin Moyles Ghost

    Well-put, Zoiks. Reminds me of the Kingdom Melody song called "Then They Will Know"--a nice little ditty preemptively gloating over the destruction of God's perceived enemies.

    I think most JWs don't really believe that God is going to kill all non-Witnesses. I know that I didn't believe that. Most of my JW acquaintances don't, either. They say things like "he will read hearts at Armageddon." When I started thinking about this, it cemented the idea of how pointless the JW "preaching work" really is. I've had Witnesses admit to me that the preaching work is really no more than busy-work. It's how we prove to God that we're obedient and want to serve him.

    So, yes, the doctrine about who is going to survive Armageddon (which is "imminent," by the way ;) is definitely one of the soft spots in WT/JW theology. While the WT almost never comes out directly and states that you must be a JW to have a chance at surviving Armageddon, they constantly talk about the "life saving" nature of the JW preaching work. Pick up any Kingdom Ministry and you're guaranteed to see at least one reference to the "life saving" work.

    So, if it's truly a life-saving work, doesn't it logically follow that the lives of people who don't respond to (or aren't reached by) the preaching work are not saved? I don't see any other explanation. And then doesn't it follow that those whose lives are not saved will die? Otherwise, what does it mean to have your life saved?

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    To accept WT, you must accept that a person will be slaughtered by God, if they refuse a magazine presentation done by an uneducated, ill-dressed teenager, at an inconvenient time.

    Of course, JWs do subscribe to a sprinkle of Predestination, and they think Jehovah draws out the deserving ones, to offer them undeserved kindness. So, an individual JW is allowed to think that no matter how awful his or her presentation at the door is, if Jehovah really wants this person, they'll like the message.

    This whole concept of everyone else dying is common among apocalyptic, high-control groups. It's helpful to foster the Us vs. Them mentality.

  • undercover
    undercover
    JWs ... think it ... perfectly reasonable that billions will have earned a death sentence simply for not accepting religious literature from an uninvited person at their doorstep.

    Yet, present this info, complete with evidence of the WT's own writings, and they will deny it. They've never really explored thier own beliefs in depth enough to realize that they are wishing for, hoping for, with glee, a mass genocide.

    JWs love to refer to Hitler's "final solution" (because their own suffered) as how evil man can be and how God will rectify that evil but haven't come to the realization that they are looking forward to an even greater evil that makes Hitler (or any other genocidal dictator) look like an underacheiving wannabe.

    For the rare JW who will actually admit that genocide is God's answer, they'll defend it by saying that God created all, he can keep what he wants, destroy what he wants and we have no say. We can only hope to please him enough to survive. To which should make you wonder, why would we want to serve a God who created us to cherish life and protect life, yet he can treat us like a rotten little kid with a magnifying glass treats ants?

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